you're very intelligent lulu, but i truly believe that people should learn from a young age how to pick the man/woman of their dreams and should love each other and the man should protect her from all that's bad and provide her with food, clothing and shelter and the woman should take care of him the best she can with food, keeping the family going straight and the children taken care of. when we decided to use this monetary system, women could pay men to do these things for them, the money messed up the family. like wise the man could pay for these things from women. usually, women could get a guy to do these things for them by just flirting, but guys had to fall to acting like desperate fools if they didn't have the money. my conclusion is that surplus of money or the lack thereof breeds greed, prostitution, dereliction, deviation from the norms.

thanks for citing my exact reasons for staying single.

okay, okay...it's not JUST that, lol...

and you know what? each marriage/partnership has its own dynamic. i'm sure there are those that agree with what you're looking for/thinking of.

just as there are those that function entirely in a different realm.

back before there was paper money a man was gauged by his willingness to build a home with his own two hands and provide meat for the table, help keep the farm up and provide protection to their families from enemies. now if a guy isn't in the position to work as a slave for another person for his dowry, he is no excuse for a man. they are going to show this very astutely when this crises gets to it's lowest peak.

ok....did we go into a time warp????? this is 2009 correct???? NEWS FLASH.....wanting and needing a man are 2 different things. i do NOT NEED a man. i think the women know that we can take care of ourselves lol

me thinkest thou meaneth 'trough'

carry on..

i think if the women here flirt with you....you might change your mind about that

augh............ok.....who got us off topic anyway?

you are only reinforcing my point rose. the introduction of this fake money has brought us to this point. don't tell me you are happy being single. don't tell me you wouldn't be happy with a man that was honorable and fair. the reason you women can't find a man like that these days is because money makes it too easy for guys to keep going to the next woman and then the next. men don't have to try to fall in love anymore. men only do this because they themselves feel unworthy of keeping a woman. i can't believe that women or men truly like being stuck in this world where women are too independent to need the man for anything but sex or company and men are too put down because they can't afford the things to take care of their families. this is what money has done to us, don't tell me it's better, none of us would be on this site if that were true.

me thinkest you are correct, thank you good sir for setting me straight.

i can't speak for others....but i'm here for the brain stimulation in the forums (yes i said that lol)

i'm not looking for anything and i'm happy with myself. i don't need a man to complete me. if it happens, it happens....if not then i'm good.

you don't paint men in a very good light

men aren't painted in a very good light nowadays anyways. women do their best to burst any self worth a man has into flames because guys have different ways of showing thier pride. most men haven't learned how to show pride without some kind of testosteronish level.

wow....what happened to you??? i have high respect for men and women...when it is deserved. the general statements you are making make me think there is bitterness somewhere

there is bitterness, i have never been one to want to believe that a man is only as important as his bank account. but i guess when obama brings socialism, he will level the playing field. then a man will be measured by how long he can stand in the welfare line.

i feel bad for you t2..if that is how you really think about men and women

look a little further down winx and you'll see that lulu explained it. but you got trapped in my trap to!!!!! MUUUUAAAAHHHHHHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! so easily trapped lol.

she also mentioned that she was translating in case my sarcasm was missed

Nope, wasn't trapped at all. I read the whole thread before I posted.

is that your way of saying that you don't agree with me? if it is that's fine, but you don't know what it's like to be a guy. i'm giving it to you from a guys point of view take it or leave it.

then that means you were just trying to agitate me. thanks winx.