Who said anything about voteing for money? The wall st fat cats are the ones who write their own checks. All I am asking for is a medical field that doesnt bankrupt the economy.

get rid of the federal reserve system and it will happen like it's magic. the black clouds of dismay will evaporate leaving only sunshiny days. that i promise you.

the next thing to go is the bedpans!

The main problem I see ... it's always someone else to blame or someone elses fault for perceived woes of the world. There is no winning of this kind of debate. If it's not the large pharmacuticals, it's hospital management. If it's not big oil, it's the republicans/Bush. The truth of the matter, it's just someone smarter/more educated, more talented/ambitious, or just more fortunate/luckier than another (regardless of race, creed, color, or religion). Jealousy and envy of those who simply have more. Fortunately, we don't all have that union "gimme, gimme, gimme" mentality and capable of striving for and achieving the better things in life without the "collective".

As per this nurses union, Using human life as a bargaining chip is as about despicable as it gets. The same tactics the Palestinians, using innocent human beings as shields. Just imagine if all healthcare providers were unionized and you or children had a life- threatening crisis whilst they were out on strike (wildcat or other). Unions are simply for the losers and truly selfish in my opinion... me, me, me.

While I would agree with think2deep's observation in regards to a Federal Reserve/fiat currency and such, I can only point out that it's the only standard system widely accepted in the US... one step away from a North American Union and two steps from a one world currency. As our currency becomes devalued, the Amero and one world currency look more appealing... at the cost of our sovereignty.

if the federal reserve prints it's own money from thin air, why would we have to borrow it from china?

i dont understand why they would have to. and CHina cant be the only country we supposedly owe money to. Who else do we owe money to?

Have the BILLIONS we have thrown at the public school system not been proof positive that simply throwing money at another sink hole of a government program will not work?

That is a unique perspective from were I am standing in the middle class or what is left of it, I see the insurance companies useing human life as a bargaining chip ,pay more or die its your choice.

indeed, a man that hit's the nain on the head.

it is but a misnomer, that non profit employed people's do not get paid well, even securing a more stablized means of earnings.

if any instituion, turns the health an care of individual's, into a profit generating system, how will not money become the overriding motivator in every decision in due time???

each checkpoint and standard, will be driven by profit margins, as reasonable subsistence be the only true way to drive anything geared toward human care and concern.

there are plenty of venture's for capitolist venture's, besides the buying and selling of treatments for pain and suffering, and it is sheer delusion perpetrated by existing system's, that promomte such things need be as is.

such leads to open doors, that promote pressured unchecked human weakness, that do not even have to exist, let alone be open for every lobbiest representing a huge profit churning corporation to walk thru.

if the police force, turn protecting and serving the people's, into a profit scenario, as in the profit for the more crime it deter, then will not a ulterior motive automatically be created???

if the government, as to serve and protect, is turned into a profit generating entity, the same applies, as having a true conflict of interest.

it is but to eliminate personal profit gain, out of any venture that seek to care or protect or guide, that instill within any system, integrity and common good.

if not, do we not really just buy and sell people???

I truly dont understand why we would need a nurses union anyhow. kinda like the teachers union...I dont see the point to it.


It would just be somebody taking money out of my check..and i dont need anymore people doing that.

ummm...my nurse:patient ratio is nice most nights. constant work...but not usually feelingoverrushed. We have high standards for patient care.
nursing jobs are in abundance..I can pick what kind of schedule I want. (and the one i currently work where I work every Friday and another night during the week)


would it save in insurance costs? well Im not paying them anyhow right now.


I guarantee you that I won't ever be going out on strike. I never intend to leave my patients without a nurse. Union or no union. They can't stop me from crossing the line. and isnt that a unions negotiating point...if their contract isnt signed or their demands arent met??


Im sorry...but i run my life and my career.

If you do not have insurance what about your child? I am just curiouse.

basic health coverage on their fathers policy.

sshhhhhhhhhhhhh dont tell him..we are both supposed to have coverage...(idk if he knows i dont) its not his biz.

anything major happesn..i can pick up insurance any time within a month. and if it cant wait a month...I would make an ER visit.

the desntist I do miss him...but even with insurance that bill is horrible. I will make a trip to see him and have my teeth cleaned soon...out of pocket

You are right. As far as cost of healthcare goes...it is a combined problem...pharmaceutical, insurance, medical supply and medical equipment companies all take an exorbitant piece of the pie. Example: A package of 500 'clean' (as in the hospital use of the term), not 'sterile', 4x* inch folded gauze dressings cost over $20. The dressing is made of a strip of gauze that is approx. 2 feet long and inches wide. It is then folded into the 4x8 inch dressing. Nothing special about the gauze...in fact, the roll you buy at the drug store is probably better quality. Check out the price at the store sometime.


What people don't realize is that hospital administrators have been using emotional blackmail to get as much time, energy and effort as possible from healthcare workers for years and years. Until the nurses' union came in to the hospital where I work and changed the standards of care, 1 critical care nurse was expected to care for up to 5 direly ill, often living only from breath to breath patients. The standard now is that each R.N. cares for no more than to of these critically ill patients. Many workers, including R.N.'s, are expected to put in many hours of overtime, often with only an hour or so notice. Workers were not always 'asked' to do this, in some cases it is mandated. Next time you or a your loved one is in the hospital, ask the nurse how long she expects to be working that day...or how many hours she has already put in. Then ask yourself how many medical mistakes are made after someone has been on duty for 12 hours...perhaps more than 2 days in a row.

If things are getting better for nurses's these days, you can thank nursing associations, nurses' unions and the nursing shortage. Trust me, hospital administrations could care less about nurse to patient ratios or whether a nurse's schedule suits her needs...unless mandated by law or a legally binding contract. 35 years working in health care has shown that to me.

wow thats an ungodly amount of critical care patients.

our charge nurses are really good about going by acuity and not numbers. I dont do critical care...but progressive care I max out at 3 patients..and most of the med/surg floors I max out at 4 patients. I rarely ever have 5 patients even when working M/S.
I did oncology last NIGHT....and had 3 patients.
of course I work alone, we dotn have techs very often at all. and I do the resource pool...so im rarely ever paired with a tech.

we are non union and we are a magnet hospital...

Ive been a nurse 3 years...so I dont know how much patient ratios have changed over the years...


that being said..im tired.............
i didnt take my hour long lunch/nap break last night.

Its pretty apparent to me that when our nurses cant afford insurance for themselves or children something is wrong with the system big time. One can assume the management has red carpet insurance for life. I see many many people that would benefit from a "single payer" government run program. Who will pay for it you ask? Think along the lines of " I pay x ammount now for insurance and co-pays and my company also pays x amount. We also pay into medicaid. If these funds are re applied to a single payer plan I am sure it will increase our costs verry little and in the long run drive down the cost of medical care and all will be able to see a Dr. when needed. The fact that america has the most expensive health care in the world are not in dispute by anyone. America also ranks near the bottem in care for the western democracies. We are being scammed on a massive scale and our health is held hostage to insurance companeis that only care for the bottom line.

David, I actually understood what you said, no poetry, just plain english. And I agree with you, there is something truly inhumane about our system when it comes to caring for people.

Ok I am wearing my helmet, go for it...

boo...

you make me laugh, and smile, with love of course, lol...

then you make me sad, i as know why you say "helmet"...

do you consider automatically that your sight see most what is good???

is it but i, that is deemed as guilty, for speaking not as plain???

what of the possibility that you have only been hearing words selectively, so the ability of the mind to understand all things, has decreased over time???

why do you access less intelligence in another, basing it upon your own single standard, and of course, using the validation of other's you have heard day the same???

but then it is also true, that just as many other's have spoken of the things i write as good as well???

but then in true reality, i only write what i see, my reality, as each thing does, and my reality indeed is not as many other's, as i am but an ignorant one, that is blind, and need the true honest feedback of all other living things to find my way.

if all things in writing's could be the SAME, or all as perceived "positive", and plain, easily understood, it would be easy, but then it could only be so, if all brains thought alike???

indeed, if all brains had no opposition to any words, then a free and peaceful world would be, and most this opposition can only exist, less oneself has allowed itself to believe that kind words are the only good things in words, and denied many perceievd negative realities about itself, and such create monstor's in time, that will devoure anything that it perceive as weak, for the sake of uplifting and convincing self, that self is grand and glorious.

does not the mind, hate to hear anything "feeling" as "negative", hate to not have things go it's own way, and this alone, has indeed created many things that beset man, that foster and create reckless impunity, which destroy us all.

if we live not as one, but as many and many, then we are indeed each other's true tell of ourself, and what each word effect and create from each one, with it's words and actions.

if anything face all it's own ulterior motive's, and they must exist, as self has many DIFFERENT things in a day it try to achieve, so motive is constantly changing, so this is not a bad thing, but if it does, then it will be able to see what actions all other words will create forth with the hands, and even into the past and present and future, as the brain of each human is equal, and have far more abilties than have been thus far believed, and these coming forth, the true great potential of human man, is the passion that carry my heart and feet.

what that steal shall like to hear it stole???

what that murder wish to hear it murder???

what that destroy or tear down for self gain, with words, wish to hear it destroy???

what destroy with words most, be the adding to each other, weakness and inflated ego, of vain flattery, that deny anything but itself in due time, and turn all speech of grown adults into finding something to blame for all things around self, and this walk anything right off a cliff, and this dear one, is nothing i wish for anything.

so each can only speak forth, following the true motive and intent of the heart itself.

some will see other's true motive, some will see their own in each other thing, some will see nothing at all but words, so words will always be scrambled and encoded to some, and plain and forthrite to some other's...

from each mouth words go out as a sword, and if the words spoken, see thru two eye's belief alone, they increase delimited reality, which be destruction for all, and if words go out seeing thru all eye's, and thru all belief's, they destroy the same, but only what was less, to reveal what is more.

peace dear boo.

sorry for the personal nature of this on this thread.

You lost me again David, but I got the first two sentences I think.

lol...

unpeace to peace the missing piece, human sufferage come to seize, and untie all that besiege, that destroyed as disease, brought hearts to freeze, but a good sneeze of relief, is as good as a ocean breeze, bringing fresh currents of air as honeysuckle lillies.

peace

Stop that your making me dizzy..