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Topic: Fed up with the IRS?
think2deep's photo
Tue 02/24/09 12:16 AM
Good info by the way.

wiley's photo
Tue 02/24/09 12:22 AM
Edited by wiley on Tue 02/24/09 12:22 AM
I find it particularly hilarious that although she herself felt she did not need to file her own income tax returns, she had no problem with continuing to file other people's returns, and of course, get paid for it.

wiley's photo
Tue 02/24/09 12:26 AM

then that means that it isnt against the law to not pay income taxes, but it is against the law to not file them. that seems to be the loophole that they are using. paying them and filing them are two different things. the IRS is fully aware of what black's law dictionary defines income as.... the gains from working for the government. so income isn't really your wages unless you are working for the government. It's the filing of your wage statements that they find illegal. she was convicted of not FILINIG her tax returns.


She was convicted for tax evasion. Spin that any way you want. The end result is she didn't pay her taxes and she got nailed for it. Hard.

wiley's photo
Tue 02/24/09 12:33 AM
§ 6151. Time and place for paying tax shown on returns
(a) General rule
Except as otherwise provided in this subchapter, when a return of tax is required under this title or regulations, the person required to make such return shall, without assessment or notice and demand from the Secretary, pay such tax to the internal revenue officer with whom the return is filed, and shall pay such tax at the time and place fixed for filing the return (determined without regard to any extension of time for filing the return).
(b) Exceptions
(1) Income tax not computed by taxpayer
If the taxpayer elects under section 6014 not to show the tax on the return, the amount determined by the Secretary as payable shall be paid within 30 days after the mailing by the Secretary to the taxpayer of a notice stating such amount and making demand therefor.
(2) Use of government depositaries
For authority of the Secretary to require payments to Government depositaries, see section 6302 (c).
(c) Date fixed for payment of tax
In any case in which a tax is required to be paid on or before a certain date, or within a certain period, any reference in this title to the date fixed for payment of such tax shall be deemed a reference to the last day fixed for such payment (determined without regard to any extension of time for paying the tax.)


The law clearly states that if taxes are owed, the taxpayer is to pay them when the return is filed. So sorry, it is illegal to not pay taxes. If you don't file a return, you get nailed. If you file a return and don't pay, you get nailed. There is no way around it.


wiley's photo
Tue 02/24/09 12:37 AM


In August 2007, a federal court in New York permanently barred Robert L. Schulz of Queensbury, N.Y., and his organizations, We the People Congress and We the People Foundation, from promoting a tax scheme that helped employers and employees improperly stop tax withholding from wages on the false premise that federal income taxation is voluntary. The court concluded that the First Amendment did not protect the two organizations that operate the website, or their founder, because the site incited criminal conduct. The court also ordered that the web site that sold the materials stating that individuals can legally stop paying taxes be shut. See http://www.usdoj/tax/txdv07214.htm, and http://www.usdoj.gov/tax/txdv07595.htm



think2deep's photo
Tue 02/24/09 01:16 AM
this is an exerpt of the link you gave me......JACKSON was convicted by a federal jury on October 30, 2007, after a two-day trial on four counts of FAILURE TO FILE HER INDIVIDUAL TAX RETURNS for the years 2000 to 2003.


nowhere does it say that she was convicted of tax evasion.

think2deep's photo
Tue 02/24/09 01:19 AM

this is what harry reid says about our tax system being voluntary... listen to it for the first couple of minutes if you dont have the patience.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQIKJqLIqaE


wiley's photo
Tue 02/24/09 07:52 AM


this is what harry reid says about our tax system being voluntary... listen to it for the first couple of minutes if you dont have the patience.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQIKJqLIqaE




Did you even watch it? Reid is a moron. Even according to him, the system is voluntary but if you don't file/pay your taxes you are subject to civil and criminal penalties. Sure sounds like its not really voluntary to me.

wiley's photo
Tue 02/24/09 08:05 AM
Edited by wiley on Tue 02/24/09 08:10 AM

this is an exerpt of the link you gave me......JACKSON was convicted by a federal jury on October 30, 2007, after a two-day trial on four counts of FAILURE TO FILE HER INDIVIDUAL TAX RETURNS for the years 2000 to 2003.


nowhere does it say that she was convicted of tax evasion.


What do you think tax evasion is? whoa

§ 7201. Attempt to evade or defeat tax

Any person who willfully attempts in any manner to evade or defeat any tax imposed by this title or the payment thereof shall, in addition to other penalties provided by law, be guilty of a felony and, upon conviction thereof, shall be fined not more than $100,000 ($500,000 in the case of a corporation), or imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both, together with the costs of prosecution.


§ 7203. Willful failure to file return, supply information, or pay tax

Any person required under this title to pay any estimated tax or tax, or required by this title or by regulations made under authority thereof to make a return, keep any records, or supply any information, who willfully fails to pay such estimated tax or tax, make such return, keep such records, or supply such information, at the time or times required by law or regulations, shall, in addition to other penalties provided by law, be guilty of a misdemeanor and, upon conviction thereof, shall be fined not more than $25,000 ($100,000 in the case of a corporation), or imprisoned not more than 1 year, or both, together with the costs of prosecution. In the case of any person with respect to whom there is a failure to pay any estimated tax, this section shall not apply to such person with respect to such failure if there is no addition to tax under section 6654 or 6655 with respect to such failure. In the case of a willful violation of any provision of section 6050I, the first sentence of this section shall be applied by substituting “felony” for “misdemeanor” and “5 years” for “1 year”.



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