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Topic: stop living in fear
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Wed 02/18/09 07:28 AM
Stop living in fear!

There are so many religions that teach what to do or not and if so "bad" things will happen to you.

for example:

Your soul will be terminated

Your next life will be worse

You didn't do this so you will be eternally punished

this type of thinking and "fear" makes people paranoid, scared, live a life that is not in its full potential of well being

change your "fear" into "joy of life"

by enjoying the simple things we look at, we hear, we smell, we touch.

live a life without fear

yet know

that don't do things

that you don't want done to you

and change your perspective today and don't live a life full of "fear" that many books try to teach.

Even though many religous books are a set of guidelines on how one should be or live they teach one to have "fear" at all times.

change this emotion

and express yourself

and learn to enjoy life

for before you know it

you will wish you had

and look back

thinking

why didn't I do these things afterall.


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Wed 02/18/09 07:41 AM
I fear religious nuts. The choir boy who was abused by his trusted priest. The sheltered boy with really strict religious parents, who snaps and shoots up a school or mall full of innocent people. The suicide bomber, who does it all in the name of (Allah) God. ..etc...

These people give me the willies.

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Wed 02/18/09 07:47 AM

I fear religious nuts. The choir boy who was abused by his trusted priest. The sheltered boy with really strict religious parents, who snaps and shoots up a school or mall full of innocent people. The suicide bomber, who does it all in the name of (Allah) God. ..etc...

These people give me the willies.


In my opinion these folks where misguided into the wrong direction of how to live a more enjoyable life to its full extent.

If only someone could have talked to them on what they are missing out on

then letting them go

to do the things that truly wasn't something that wanted in the end and wish they could turn back time to try again.

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Wed 02/18/09 07:53 AM
Edited by Filmfreek on Wed 02/18/09 07:57 AM
I know. It really hurts my heart to see people like this. I had a good friend in junior high that killed himself with a rifle to the head, because his parents were so religious and overbearing, and they would beat him in the name of God. And I really tried to tell him that it was ok to let go, and do his own thing, but he was just so scared...

frown

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Wed 02/18/09 08:00 AM

I know. It really hurts my heart to see people like this. I had a good friend in junior high that killed himself with a rifle to the head, because his parents were so religious and overbearing, and they would beat him in the name of God. And I really tried to tell him that it was ok to let go, and do his own thing, but he was just so scared...

frown


I am very sorry for the loss of your friend.tears

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Wed 02/18/09 09:45 AM
as i'v said you are not dealing with a religious man . but the problem is not a religious man . i have said in other posts that people use religion as a crutch as an excuse . i can write down something in a book and someone can understand it 20 different ways . any religion was started with the best in mind to bring out the best in people . it is in the human nature to try to use it to fit what we want . if you read these things you need to keep in mind these people wrote this for the betterment of people .
as for the fear in religion . why didnt you go against your parents ? because you woul be punished . religion as in life teaches there is repercussions for every action .

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Wed 02/18/09 09:58 AM

as i'v said you are not dealing with a religious man . but the problem is not a religious man . i have said in other posts that people use religion as a crutch as an excuse . i can write down something in a book and someone can understand it 20 different ways . any religion was started with the best in mind to bring out the best in people . it is in the human nature to try to use it to fit what we want . if you read these things you need to keep in mind these people wrote this for the betterment of people .
as for the fear in religion . why didnt you go against your parents ? because you woul be punished . religion as in life teaches there is repercussions for every action .


I don't believe that all religions where written for the betterment of people.

unless you think "fear" is the way to teach obedience.

Bible - stone children in the streets if they don't obey their parents

- You are a sinner so Christ will die to eliminate our sins

- obey me or be sent to hell for not doing so

If the teachings of "fear" and "violence" is mentioned in a document then how do you suppose this will eliminate the possiblity of a better lifestyle?

The world lives in fear often. The first best way to tackle this issue is to see the world in a different perspective. By understanding one can live without fearing the words a book says, by using common sense that we are "not sinners" we do not need to fear our "lifestyle" and we can live a life full of happiness and joy.

I believe that religion was written to control the masses, to bring order, for a few people who wanted the power to do so.

I am sorry but to follow a religion that had practiced torturing, persecutions, and installed laws so we "fear" everything we do is simply not a lifestyle I choose to live.

This goes for a mediterrenean mythology based study.

Now spiritual studies is a different topic all together.






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Wed 02/18/09 10:07 AM
dont get me wrong i follow no religion but if you look through history all religions have taught to do the right thing or there will be consiquenses . do you think if we tell bin laden , or had told hitler , or had to sadam to talk and do the right thing they would listen . no because they believe they are right . as a parent i steer my kids in the right direction . i teach them wrong from right and teach them there are consiquenses for there actions . it's not a fear of but a knowlege of what will happen . even the bible says live not in fear . but in knowledge . knowledge is the greatest motivator.

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Wed 02/18/09 10:12 AM
Bible - stone children in the streets if they don't obey their parents

I know the bible says this.

this is a command for parents to decide on from what i can see. What is rebelling to a parent. When do you go to this extreme?

Do you know of an instance in the Bible where it says the parents took a child out into the streets and stoned him/her?

Shalom...Miles

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Wed 02/18/09 10:23 AM

Bible - stone children in the streets if they don't obey their parents

I know the bible says this.

this is a command for parents to decide on from what i can see. What is rebelling to a parent. When do you go to this extreme?

Do you know of an instance in the Bible where it says the parents took a child out into the streets and stoned him/her?

Shalom...Miles


Let alone that it is mentioned is something one should contemplate on and think perhaps this is not a good source to follow. Wouldn't you think?

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Wed 02/18/09 10:29 AM
Edited by smiless on Wed 02/18/09 10:30 AM

dont get me wrong i follow no religion but if you look through history all religions have taught to do the right thing or there will be consiquenses . do you think if we tell bin laden , or had told hitler , or had to sadam to talk and do the right thing they would listen . no because they believe they are right . as a parent i steer my kids in the right direction . i teach them wrong from right and teach them there are consiquenses for there actions . it's not a fear of but a knowlege of what will happen . even the bible says live not in fear . but in knowledge . knowledge is the greatest motivator.


I would be the last to judge anyone how to raise their children. I am sure each parent believes they are good examples or teach good examples to prepare their loved ones in this world, yet what gets me is the mentality that so many people have when raising or teaching.

Many use scare tactics, fear, or other ways in getting a mind stimulated to do better. I am against this.

and I must say many don't do much at all. They just mention later "Well I told you so" and brush of the mistake on the child.

Instead of "truly" teaching and showing how to avoid bad instances, negative contemplations, or misunderstandings.

Concerning the mistakes history has for us. Wouldn't you think that we should "learn" from them instead of repeating them.

Well most people say it is "not possible."

I disagree

just like I disagree

that "fear" is the only way to educate

or harsh punishments is a way to motivate

and unfortunately many religious documents show this as the only alternative

so a parent could mean well, but doesn't do well (unintentially) because they themselves are not educated either.

and this is where the problem lies

so yes those who are educated should do more then just make sure "their" child does well

but all children "where they can and when they can"

for good examples and lessons

will make a big difference in this world.

as fear does lead to anger and anger leads to hate and hatred leads to hurt.

Don't teach and don't follow it even if a document is older then life itself.


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Wed 02/18/09 10:36 AM
i was a history major in college so i completly agree that those who do not learn from the past are doomed to repeat it but you have made the arguement for me you teach them of the negative things that can happen from an action . it's no living in fear but in the knowlege that there are repercussions for everything . you dont fear them you know they are there . like i tell my children you know thats wrong and if you do it there will be problems . it's not to scare them it is to teach them about accountabuility.

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Wed 02/18/09 10:45 AM


Bible - stone children in the streets if they don't obey their parents

I know the bible says this.

this is a command for parents to decide on from what i can see. What is rebelling to a parent. When do you go to this extreme?

Do you know of an instance in the Bible where it says the parents took a child out into the streets and stoned him/her?

Shalom...Miles


Let alone that it is mentioned is something one should contemplate on and think perhaps this is not a good source to follow. Wouldn't you think?



maybe. Then maybe if we are going to say that Yahweh did all these things and you all always want physical evidence.

Would not you think if you are going to dive into a field and claim meanings. that you could show why this is so?

I would not go to a computer programmer and say i have read about Fortron and you have it all wrong.

Make me kind of a fool to do or say something i have only scratched the surface of programming.

So why do you all think you can apply a different set of standards in what you claim the Bible says? Shalom...Miles

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Wed 02/18/09 10:55 AM

i was a history major in college so i completly agree that those who do not learn from the past are doomed to repeat it but you have made the arguement for me you teach them of the negative things that can happen from an action . it's no living in fear but in the knowlege that there are repercussions for everything . you dont fear them you know they are there . like i tell my children you know thats wrong and if you do it there will be problems . it's not to scare them it is to teach them about accountabuility.


sometimes it is not enough to just say "don't do it".

Then the child says "yeah, yeah, okay whatever."

and the child does it anyway

and when it happens you go "well I told you so".

So to take a better approach

get out of your way

and go beyond then just saying "you will have consequences" if you do this

go and show through a movie (if there is a good one), books, show examples, take them to people who have been afflicted with the problem and see.

so the problem will never in a thousand years ever cross the mind of a child. So they will have a clear understanding on how to react and deal with real problems when they are alone.

This is good parenting in my opinion

yet

for many this is too much effort and work after a long hard day at work.


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Wed 02/18/09 11:01 AM


i was a history major in college so i completly agree that those who do not learn from the past are doomed to repeat it but you have made the arguement for me you teach them of the negative things that can happen from an action . it's no living in fear but in the knowlege that there are repercussions for everything . you dont fear them you know they are there . like i tell my children you know thats wrong and if you do it there will be problems . it's not to scare them it is to teach them about accountabuility.


sometimes it is not enough to just say "don't do it".

Then the child says "yeah, yeah, okay whatever."

and the child does it anyway

and when it happens you go "well I told you so".

So to take a better approach

get out of your way

and go beyond then just saying "you will have consequences" if you do this

go and show through a movie (if there is a good one), books, show examples, take them to people who have been afflicted with the problem and see.

so the problem will never in a thousand years ever cross the mind of a child. So they will have a clear understanding on how to react and deal with real problems when they are alone.

This is good parenting in my opinion

yet

for many this is too much effort and work after a long hard day at work.






the point is you say do not live or govern by fear . but what you suggest we do is the same thing most of us parents already do . if i tell my kids dont play with guns and then show them a picture of a kid who mistakenly shot himself . does that not breed fear . but it also bears the fruit of knowledge and tells them that this is the repercussion . and even if you show them what can happen they can still make the choice to do it anyway . my dad was a cop and put me in a jail cell as a kid to show me what it is like but i have been in jail as adult . because of my own decisions

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Wed 02/18/09 12:10 PM



i was a history major in college so i completly agree that those who do not learn from the past are doomed to repeat it but you have made the arguement for me you teach them of the negative things that can happen from an action . it's no living in fear but in the knowlege that there are repercussions for everything . you dont fear them you know they are there . like i tell my children you know thats wrong and if you do it there will be problems . it's not to scare them it is to teach them about accountabuility.


sometimes it is not enough to just say "don't do it".

Then the child says "yeah, yeah, okay whatever."

and the child does it anyway

and when it happens you go "well I told you so".

So to take a better approach

get out of your way

and go beyond then just saying "you will have consequences" if you do this

go and show through a movie (if there is a good one), books, show examples, take them to people who have been afflicted with the problem and see.

so the problem will never in a thousand years ever cross the mind of a child. So they will have a clear understanding on how to react and deal with real problems when they are alone.

This is good parenting in my opinion

yet

for many this is too much effort and work after a long hard day at work.






the point is you say do not live or govern by fear . but what you suggest we do is the same thing most of us parents already do . if i tell my kids dont play with guns and then show them a picture of a kid who mistakenly shot himself . does that not breed fear . but it also bears the fruit of knowledge and tells them that this is the repercussion . and even if you show them what can happen they can still make the choice to do it anyway . my dad was a cop and put me in a jail cell as a kid to show me what it is like but i have been in jail as adult . because of my own decisions


then perhaps the education your father showed you wasn't sufficient enough.

While we have decisions to make on our own, I find it important that we give a lasting impact as a parent to our children to ensure that such problems will not occur.

I am sure if you think back it could have been done that you didn't have to go to jail if you had listened to your father or contemplated on the situation a bit longer.

The lessons that I give is not to create fear, but to make a understanding of the consequences and show the consequences of others who have been through it. That is not a scare tactic, but a reality.

No one in my family has ever sat in a jail. Is it a consequence or is it because we try to avoid it by all costs or is it because we educated ourselves.

In the long run we informed each other to stay out of trouble.

This is what I mean. In the long run whatever you find right for your child's education, I surely believe you think it is the right decision and I hope in the end that your child will do well in the lessons you teach.



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Wed 02/18/09 12:15 PM




i was a history major in college so i completly agree that those who do not learn from the past are doomed to repeat it but you have made the arguement for me you teach them of the negative things that can happen from an action . it's no living in fear but in the knowlege that there are repercussions for everything . you dont fear them you know they are there . like i tell my children you know thats wrong and if you do it there will be problems . it's not to scare them it is to teach them about accountabuility.


sometimes it is not enough to just say "don't do it".

Then the child says "yeah, yeah, okay whatever."

and the child does it anyway

and when it happens you go "well I told you so".

So to take a better approach

get out of your way

and go beyond then just saying "you will have consequences" if you do this

go and show through a movie (if there is a good one), books, show examples, take them to people who have been afflicted with the problem and see.

so the problem will never in a thousand years ever cross the mind of a child. So they will have a clear understanding on how to react and deal with real problems when they are alone.

This is good parenting in my opinion

yet

for many this is too much effort and work after a long hard day at work.






the point is you say do not live or govern by fear . but what you suggest we do is the same thing most of us parents already do . if i tell my kids dont play with guns and then show them a picture of a kid who mistakenly shot himself . does that not breed fear . but it also bears the fruit of knowledge and tells them that this is the repercussion . and even if you show them what can happen they can still make the choice to do it anyway . my dad was a cop and put me in a jail cell as a kid to show me what it is like but i have been in jail as adult . because of my own decisions


then perhaps the education your father showed you wasn't sufficient enough.

While we have decisions to make on our own, I find it important that we give a lasting impact as a parent to our children to ensure that such problems will not occur.

I am sure if you think back it could have been done that you didn't have to go to jail if you had listened to your father or contemplated on the situation a bit longer.

The lessons that I give is not to create fear, but to make a understanding of the consequences and show the consequences of others who have been through it. That is not a scare tactic, but a reality.

No one in my family has ever sat in a jail. Is it a consequence or is it because we try to avoid it by all costs or is it because we educated ourselves.

In the long run we informed each other to stay out of trouble.

This is what I mean. In the long run whatever you find right for your child's education, I surely believe you think it is the right decision and I hope in the end that your child will do well in the lessons you teach.





true but we all have our on minds. I can teach my son until i'm blue in the face but at the end of the day...he makes the choice. looking back i know i should have listened to my mom, but i had to learn the hard way at times. that made me a stronger person. you know the old saying about how our parents don't understand because they were never kids lol. i admit..i thought that as a teen. but as a parent now, i understand the thinking.

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Wed 02/18/09 12:26 PM





i was a history major in college so i completly agree that those who do not learn from the past are doomed to repeat it but you have made the arguement for me you teach them of the negative things that can happen from an action . it's no living in fear but in the knowlege that there are repercussions for everything . you dont fear them you know they are there . like i tell my children you know thats wrong and if you do it there will be problems . it's not to scare them it is to teach them about accountabuility.


sometimes it is not enough to just say "don't do it".

Then the child says "yeah, yeah, okay whatever."

and the child does it anyway

and when it happens you go "well I told you so".

So to take a better approach

get out of your way

and go beyond then just saying "you will have consequences" if you do this

go and show through a movie (if there is a good one), books, show examples, take them to people who have been afflicted with the problem and see.

so the problem will never in a thousand years ever cross the mind of a child. So they will have a clear understanding on how to react and deal with real problems when they are alone.

This is good parenting in my opinion

yet

for many this is too much effort and work after a long hard day at work.






the point is you say do not live or govern by fear . but what you suggest we do is the same thing most of us parents already do . if i tell my kids dont play with guns and then show them a picture of a kid who mistakenly shot himself . does that not breed fear . but it also bears the fruit of knowledge and tells them that this is the repercussion . and even if you show them what can happen they can still make the choice to do it anyway . my dad was a cop and put me in a jail cell as a kid to show me what it is like but i have been in jail as adult . because of my own decisions


then perhaps the education your father showed you wasn't sufficient enough.

While we have decisions to make on our own, I find it important that we give a lasting impact as a parent to our children to ensure that such problems will not occur.

I am sure if you think back it could have been done that you didn't have to go to jail if you had listened to your father or contemplated on the situation a bit longer.

The lessons that I give is not to create fear, but to make a understanding of the consequences and show the consequences of others who have been through it. That is not a scare tactic, but a reality.

No one in my family has ever sat in a jail. Is it a consequence or is it because we try to avoid it by all costs or is it because we educated ourselves.

In the long run we informed each other to stay out of trouble.

This is what I mean. In the long run whatever you find right for your child's education, I surely believe you think it is the right decision and I hope in the end that your child will do well in the lessons you teach.





true but we all have our on minds. I can teach my son until i'm blue in the face but at the end of the day...he makes the choice. looking back i know i should have listened to my mom, but i had to learn the hard way at times. that made me a stronger person. you know the old saying about how our parents don't understand because they were never kids lol. i admit..i thought that as a teen. but as a parent now, i understand the thinking.




we never listen to what our parents say . thats a part of growing up . it has nothing to do with how they raised us . and smiley you make my point for me when you say it is not about living by fear but knowing what could happen happen . it is always the same way when we tell someone what could happen it's not a scare tactic it is to get the seriousness of the consiquence across. and sometimes the truth is scary

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Wed 02/18/09 12:29 PM
Edited by scttrbrain on Wed 02/18/09 12:33 PM
What??? Stop living in fear?? Then I wouldn't have a life.......gotta have some fear.

Kat

Oh....by the way.......I have missed all you guys.


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Wed 02/18/09 12:48 PM
Paranoia will destroia.

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