Topic: The Hippocratic Oath | |
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The modernized version states as follows:
I swear to fulfill, to the best of my ability and judgment, this covenant:
I will respect the hard-won scientific gains of those physicians in whose steps I walk, and gladly share such knowledge as is mine with those who are to follow. I will apply, for the benefit of the sick, all measures [that] are required, avoiding those twin traps of overtreatment and therapeutic nihilism. I will remember that there is art to medicine as well as science, and that warmth, sympathy, and understanding may outweigh the surgeon's knife or the chemist's drug. I will not be ashamed to say "I know not," nor will I fail to call in my colleagues when the skills of another are needed for a patient's recovery. I will respect the privacy of my patients, for their problems are not disclosed to me that the world may know. Most especially must I tread with care in matters of life and death. If it is given me to save a life, all thanks. But it may also be within my power to take a life; this awesome responsibility must be faced with great humbleness and awareness of my own frailty. Above all, I must not play at God. I will remember that I do not treat a fever chart, a cancerous growth, but a sick human being, whose illness may affect the person's family and economic stability. My responsibility includes these related problems, if I am to care adequately for the sick. I will prevent disease whenever I can, for prevention is preferable to cure. I will remember that I remain a member of society, with special obligations to all my fellow human beings, those sound of mind and body as well as the infirm. If I do not violate this oath, may I enjoy life and art, respected while I live and remembered with affection thereafter. May I always act so as to preserve the finest traditions of my calling and may I long experience the joy of healing those who seek my help. Yet, what's the first thing out of their mouths? "Who do you have as an insurance provider?" |
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well...............................................................yes.
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Pretty sad, ain't it? Too bad there's not a Construction Oath...you could recite it & then say..."The tornado damage repair is (X ammount of) dollars...you do have coverage for acts of God, don't you?"
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Pretty sad, ain't it? Too bad there's not a Construction Oath...you could recite it & then say..."The tornado damage repair is (X amount of) dollars...you do have coverage for acts of God, don't you?" I'm sure atheists don't have that kind of coverage. |
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Edited by
boarderamc
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Thu 02/12/09 04:30 PM
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someone is going to have to pay for all of the medical bills... if you don't have insurance, it is pretty likely that you aren't going to have money to cover all of their expenses... imagine if there was no need for health insurance and everyone could go to the doctor at any time for any reason... in a utopian society, this would be ideal... but realistically, hospitals would go out of business in less than a day.
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I'm not disputing the issue that they want to get paid. Anybody who does any job wants that. I'm saying that the first thing out of their mouths is wanting to know how they're going to be paid. Their first order of business is supposed to be caring for a patient.
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ok... if someone comes into a hospital with a gunshot wound to the chest, they are going to do whatever they can to help that person... they aren't going to ask them who their provider is, or lack thereof.
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ok... if someone comes into a hospital with a gunshot wound to the chest, they are going to do whatever they can to help that person... they aren't going to ask them who their provider is, or lack thereof. Exactly. You beat me to it. Also if a pregnant woman comes into the ER or any seriously injured person, a hospital will not refuse admittance based on inability to pay. |
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ok... if someone comes into a hospital with a gunshot wound to the chest, they are going to do whatever they can to help that person... they aren't going to ask them who their provider is, or lack thereof. Exactly. You beat me to it. Also if a pregnant woman comes into the ER or any seriously injured person, a hospital will not refuse admittance based on inability to pay. exact-a-mundo. can you really blame the doctors for asking for insurance up front to all other cases? if they didn't, people would be coming in for treatment and dipping out soon after... without paying or showing any form of insurance. |
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I’m actually very interested in Canada’s health care system. I’ve heard it also has its problem however. Sometimes long waits and you can’t always have the specialist you want. However, EVERYONE gets medical aid and a much greater focus is placed on preventative health care issues. Instead of let's wait till the damage is done and then start you in on chronic care management.
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When I was 17, I was on my own. I was sick and dry heaving. I went to the hospital. The hospital rushed me into emergency, where my appendix busted on the table. I was hospitalized for three days. They knew I did not have insurance or a guardian. They got it donated to me through their charity thing. I never had to pay a dime, but I did volunteer until I found a job. (Filing)
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ok... if someone comes into a hospital with a gunshot wound to the chest, they are going to do whatever they can to help that person... they aren't going to ask them who their provider is, or lack thereof. Exactly. You beat me to it. Also if a pregnant woman comes into the ER or any seriously injured person, a hospital will not refuse admittance based on inability to pay. They may not refuse admittance but you'd be surprised at the amount of other things that will be refused. I have a child who is on a program through the state because of her severe disabilities. It doesn't have anything to do with welfare or how much money I make, but it comes WITH a medicaid card. She has insurance through her dad and myself (of which I pay over 400 bucks out of pocket each month) and yet we still get the raised eyebrows when they see Medicaid as PART of her payor source. In fact, when I order her medical supplies each month, the supply company will only send what the govt. insurance would allow, even though she has 2 primary insurances that come FIRST. Medical treatment is in no way equal to all who need it, and it's a damn shame. And shortly, we are going to get the lovely added value of a "health czar" to decide who should die and who should live. Thank god my child wasn't born after 2009, or it's quite possible she wouldn't be here at all, even though my health insurance paid 100% of her hospital bills at birth. There are a lot of factors going into how we got where we are today in regards to health care, and I firmly believe that good old greed is right there at the top of the list (mostly on the part of insurance companies). That too, is a shame. Gone are the days when a doctor would barter goods for pay because he truly believed that helping people was his calling. |
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What still bothers me is the obscene amount of waste and profit that stockholders make off of the process.
What other service would you buy that costs more for paper processing and protecting the provider from litigation? And the fact that they are allowed to profit without results or giving patients the information they pay for. |
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I'm not disputing the issue that they want to get paid. Anybody who does any job wants that. I'm saying that the first thing out of their mouths is wanting to know how they're going to be paid. Their first order of business is supposed to be caring for a patient. Keith has a point, medicine has become big business. I remember working at hospitals when they were non-for-profit. They didn't 'go out of business' and medical care costs were a lot more affordable. When the hospitals were bought by corporations and became for-profit, I saw the price of things go up as much as 5 to 6 times the previous cost. These companies came in and took out entire departments, 'suggested' folks who were close to retirement take early retirement and if they replaced them at all it was with p.r.n. employees who they tried to make work as close to full time hours as they could, but they weren't eligible for benefits. Benefit packages and insurances coverage changed so many with families could no longer afford it. Yeah, the for-profit system clearly is not working and certainly does not have the interest of the patient in mind. |
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Hospitals will always work with you on bills. They will let you pay over time without interest. It’s just the running away and not even making an attempt that will run you into collections.
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ok... if someone comes into a hospital with a gunshot wound to the chest, they are going to do whatever they can to help that person... they aren't going to ask them who their provider is, or lack thereof. Exactly. You beat me to it. Also if a pregnant woman comes into the ER or any seriously injured person, a hospital will not refuse admittance based on inability to pay. They may not refuse admittance but you'd be surprised at the amount of other things that will be refused. I have a child who is on a program through the state because of her severe disabilities. It doesn't have anything to do with welfare or how much money I make, but it comes WITH a medicaid card. She has insurance through her dad and myself (of which I pay over 400 bucks out of pocket each month) and yet we still get the raised eyebrows when they see Medicaid as PART of her payor source. In fact, when I order her medical supplies each month, the supply company will only send what the govt. insurance would allow, even though she has 2 primary insurances that come FIRST. Medical treatment is in no way equal to all who need it, and it's a damn shame. And shortly, we are going to get the lovely added value of a "health czar" to decide who should die and who should live. Thank god my child wasn't born after 2009, or it's quite possible she wouldn't be here at all, even though my health insurance paid 100% of her hospital bills at birth. There are a lot of factors going into how we got where we are today in regards to health care, and I firmly believe that good old greed is right there at the top of the list (mostly on the part of insurance companies). That too, is a shame. Gone are the days when a doctor would barter goods for pay because he truly believed that helping people was his calling. I couldn't agree more about the whole greed thing... everything in the world is pretty much based on greed. i mean, come on look at the ****sauce our country is in... and it all boils back to that 5 letter word. |
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They may not refuse admittance but you'd be surprised at the amount of other things that will be refused. I have a child who is on a program through the state because of her severe disabilities. It doesn't have anything to do with welfare or how much money I make, but it comes WITH a medicaid card. She has insurance through her dad and myself (of which I pay over 400 bucks out of pocket each month) and yet we still get the raised eyebrows when they see Medicaid as PART of her payor source. In fact, when I order her medical supplies each month, the supply company will only send what the govt. insurance would allow, even though she has 2 primary insurances that come FIRST. Medical treatment is in no way equal to all who need it, and it's a damn shame.
That was the point I just made about socialized health care and the system in place in Canada. You will never be denied ER services in the US. |
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would you rather we don't ask and then sticker shock the hell out of you when you find you've racked up a medical bill of 500 bux for one test?
i mean its catch 22. people get pissed when we ask. people get pissed when we don't ask and then show up only to be told the cost of the exam or emergency visit or so on. this is life man. get over it. |
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ER Services don't cover every need and shouldn't. Emergency rooms are over-flowing with health concerns that should be addressed by a primary care provider or pediatrician, who can and do turn folks away for lack of insurance. That just unnecessarily adds to the cost the insurance companies/government have to cover or the or the hospital has to absorb.
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Edited by
Krimsa
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Thu 02/12/09 05:50 PM
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We? Do you work in the field of healthcare Rock?
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