My response:

Sometimes loving a child enough to let him or her go also means abortion. Now, I'm a guy, young and inexperienced, so take what I say lightly, of course. However, sometimes an extra mouth makes life extremely difficult for everyone in the family, especially if you are a single parent. It's difficult to say that a child would have been better off not being been born, but...well, sometimes life hands us the short stick, and sometimes the shorter stick is handed to those who grow up in difficult financial/parenting situations. =\

Again, I'm just a stupid 20 year old guy, but...sometimes, we're too afraid to admit that things will be difficult, that it might be better if we let go of that child we love.

Yeah, I don't feel very good saying these things, but anyhow --

I am a pro choice. Most people that are familiar with my posts are well aware of my stand on abortion. If a woman were to become pregnant and she decides to join the military and put her body in harm's way in the defense of others and her country, that is HER RIGHT. That fetus is attached to her and is entirely dependant upon her for its own survival. If a pregnant woman threw herself in the line of danger in order to save the life of another, that is her choice and that fetus is coming along for the ride.

I am pro life..I don't think abortion is a form of birth control...and most women that have them never really over it...the guilt the wondering what if..just my take on it...

As an atheist I see this in somewhat of an interesting way.

I do not believe there is any kind of spirit that is attached. I do not believe this spirit goes anywhere when we die. I do not believe we get a second chance.

To me this means that each and every single fetus is a unique person waiting to happen, that will either get a chance at life, or never will.

Life is so very special, our only chance for us to perceive the universe.

Its funny but when I believed in god, I would have considered abortion. After all the spirit would remain would it not? The immortal spirit of that person would not be killed right?

Now that I am an atheist I would still not take away someone's choice, however I would choose life.

Thats why your supposed to use the big head first ! What would it have taken to buy condoms first ? It's not like you have'nt been taught about them ! Buy em and always carry them and use them .Then your not put in that position !
It's ultimately up to the mother but your an idiot for forceing the choice after the fact ! Think with something other than the little head . What if your mother had aborted you ?

Who are you even talking to? Condoms are not a 100%. And telling people what they should have done is cold comfort to the facts of there situation.

The REAL reason we should always be a right to choose nation is thus . . . .


The problem with taking away the right to choose is this.

If you give the government the legal power to decide life and death at birth then you have given away your humanity.

Government should never have that power.

Take abortion as an example, well spin that around 360 degrees and ask yourself what is every possible way that a government could enforce laws regarding conception.


- Government could make it illegal to have an abortion
- Government could make it illegal to not have an abortion.
- Government could make it illegal to have more then 1 kid.
- Government could make it illegal to not have more then 1 kid.
- Government could make it illegal to get pregnant at all.
- Government could make it illegal to not get pregnant at all.

All of these would require different motivations, however once you have set the precedent that government gets to enact and enforce rule over your body then anything is possible, this list is hardly complete.

Heck why would pregnancy even be where it stops, once a ruling group gets the right to decide about your body then you are there's to do what they want to.

And your defending what ?I for one am sick of stupidity no one is talking of garauntees here .Abortion is the act of a person after the fact for something that mathematically could have been prevented by one simple act . Screw you and the government BS. .No one was talking about laws here .I was speaking of personal responseability ! Does it help his situation ? No .But will he think next time ? I hope so .The abortion decision is up to the mother it's her body so his posting is a waste of time . Deal with it !

Where were all you bible thumpers back when abortion was outlawed in this country and women were forced underground to have the procedure in dark, unsanitary conditions at the hands of back alley butchers? We certainly didn’t hear you then screaming for the lives of these ADULT women did we? Although you will make a huge stink over a fetus. Illegal abortion was the number one killer of pregnant females during the period of time that it was outlawed.

So you're saying condoms and birth control are 100% effective? I hate to burst your bubble but that's just not true. They are...at best...90% effective. Sh!t happens.

I'm not a woman, but if I was in a situation where the condom broke or the pill didnt work, I would be all for adoption. If she didnt want to go that route, for fear of pain and trauma of giving birth, I would leave it up to her. Women should have every right to choose what to do with their bodies.

Also, when I was younger, I didn’t know that petroleum jelly {Vaseline} breaks down the latex. I’m sure many women can relate or have made that mistake before they were familiar with condoms.

I've had a few condoms break on me. And I wasnt even using vaseline.

Yep. They are unreliable but better than nothing. It is recommended that you use them in conjunction with another form of birth control. They are primarily there to protect against disease.

Read the post people . I am not thumping a bible nor did I discuss any other kinds of prevention .I simply said mathamatically your chance of prevention is increased . And if you use them right it is increased even more . My concern is only for the baby and jackasses that discover after that they don't want to suffer the consequences of they're actions ! As I said it's the mothers choice now and to bad for him .No mention of god here or anything else thats for your own conscience to deal with !

You have done nothing but state the obvious. Which when viewed in light of this posts means you have said nothing.

The only thing that is clear is that this topic upsets you.

I’m assuming that is some sort of rhetorical question but if my mom had aborted me, I would have never known. If you don’t believe in a spirit, then I never would have begun on this earth. If you do believe in a spirit, then I would have had another shot at it. Either way, my mother would have had the right to make that decision.

My mother had medical issues which made it near impossible to get pregnant. The shape her reproductive system was in was such that the doctors gave a nearly 1-10,000 chance of being pregnant, and 1-million chance of carrying it to term.

They advised her to give up trying, cause it could cause more harm, more then one doc tried to get her to have a hysterectomy to prevent possible death from complications of a tubal pregnancy. (she had to have one after my birth, she almost died)

She WANTED with all her will to be pregnant (not to say this had anything to do with the odds, just the behavior of her after she got pregnant and carried to term- best mom ever!), that to me is the important part of being a parent. Regardless of if it was planned or not, the parents should want to have a child, even if it was a decision that came about after conception.

Without the choice . . . . where would we be?

<<<<<thinks abortion should be an open option until the fetus reaches the age of 18.

I bet a lot of parents feel that way after they have em.

i bet there are alot of bad a$$ kids that would shape up in a hurry.

Granted, there are some women who use abortion as a casual form of birth control, but those women number very few. Abortion is a serious thing for the majority of people.

I believe in the government protecting its citizens. However, although you are destroying a potential life, there is something else to gain as well. One gains an opportunity to postpone having a child until that child's quality of life can be much better.

Who is to say what will happen in a child's life, that the child would have been better off born now versus four years later? We cannot say for certain, but we can make a good argument that the life of a child of a poor 16 year old might not be as good as the life of a child born to the same mother, but 10 years later when she has an education and some money.




I know this might be a strange standpoint, but if my mother had aborted me, she might have had another child at a less stressful time. That child might have been able to spend more time with her parents, might have been taught more things by her father, what have you. In short, perhaps it would have been better if my mother had aborted. Am I crazy to admit that? No, nor do I see that as a self-hating statement. I'm a realist and I try to do the best with what I've got. ;-) And I don't have such a big pride to admit that someone else might have had a better life than me had they been born in my place, but 4 years later.