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Topic: America - What Have You Done?
Dragoness's photo
Mon 02/09/09 10:23 AM



a 14 year old????


I guess you do not know the process in the clinics but I can give you a heads up. The clinic requires an adult be with the teen. Someone the teen feels they can trust. The clinics are not taking advantage of these kids as you would portray here plus it costs $400 or so, no teens have access to that kind of money at the drop of a hat. Medicaid does not cover abortions so they have to find the money. Some private organizations will partially fund it if there is rape involved or incest.

Quit believing the right wing hype over this subject and do some personal research. You would have a better understanding.


"An adult they trust" like their 19 year old statutatory rapist boyfriend??


It is usually an Aunt or Cousin in most cases. Usually a woman for sure. So I suppose the older boyfriend could do it but that is not the norm. These young girls are up against alot with this problem. Alot of times they get pregnant by a school mate and have no understanding of what they were doing. An understanding parent would be nice but that is just not the case alot of times.

raiderfan_32's photo
Mon 02/09/09 10:45 AM




a 14 year old????


I guess you do not know the process in the clinics but I can give you a heads up. The clinic requires an adult be with the teen. Someone the teen feels they can trust. The clinics are not taking advantage of these kids as you would portray here plus it costs $400 or so, no teens have access to that kind of money at the drop of a hat. Medicaid does not cover abortions so they have to find the money. Some private organizations will partially fund it if there is rape involved or incest.

Quit believing the right wing hype over this subject and do some personal research. You would have a better understanding.


"An adult they trust" like their 19 year old statutatory rapist boyfriend??


It is usually an Aunt or Cousin in most cases. Usually a woman for sure. So I suppose the older boyfriend could do it but that is not the norm. These young girls are up against alot with this problem. Alot of times they get pregnant by a school mate and have no understanding of what they were doing. An understanding parent would be nice but that is just not the case alot of times.


ok, but the way I understand it, Ogden was arguing against that requirement [of an adult's presence], arguing that a 14 yr old was a capable of making an informed decision as a grown adult.. but even you can admit that a 14 or 15 yr old girl isn't generally capable of comprehending the decision she's going through.. moreover, he argues "In sum, it is grossly misleading to tell a woman that abortion imposes possible detrimental psychological effects when the risks are negligible in most cases," Ogden claimed. and that, "The few women who do experience negative psychological responses after abortion appear to be those with preexisting emotional problems,"[1]


This is a MAN arguing to the court that women who have abortions are not likely at all to have adverse psychological trauma as a result of having an abortion.. when there have been demonstrable links between abortive women and mental health risks, depression and risk of substance abuse.

Leaving, as Ogden argues is just, that solely on the shoulders of young teen would-be mothers is just plain wrong..

I'd hope you'd agree..



[1] Casey v. Planned Parenthood, amicus brief written and filed by Ogden

http://www.lifenews.com/nat4804.html

Dragoness's photo
Mon 02/09/09 10:54 AM
Edited by Dragoness on Mon 02/09/09 10:59 AM





a 14 year old????


I guess you do not know the process in the clinics but I can give you a heads up. The clinic requires an adult be with the teen. Someone the teen feels they can trust. The clinics are not taking advantage of these kids as you would portray here plus it costs $400 or so, no teens have access to that kind of money at the drop of a hat. Medicaid does not cover abortions so they have to find the money. Some private organizations will partially fund it if there is rape involved or incest.

Quit believing the right wing hype over this subject and do some personal research. You would have a better understanding.


"An adult they trust" like their 19 year old statutatory rapist boyfriend??


It is usually an Aunt or Cousin in most cases. Usually a woman for sure. So I suppose the older boyfriend could do it but that is not the norm. These young girls are up against alot with this problem. Alot of times they get pregnant by a school mate and have no understanding of what they were doing. An understanding parent would be nice but that is just not the case alot of times.


ok, but the way I understand it, Ogden was arguing against that requirement [of an adult's presence], arguing that a 14 yr old was a capable of making an informed decision as a grown adult.. but even you can admit that a 14 or 15 yr old girl isn't generally capable of comprehending the decision she's going through.. moreover, he argues "In sum, it is grossly misleading to tell a woman that abortion imposes possible detrimental psychological effects when the risks are negligible in most cases," Ogden claimed. and that, "The few women who do experience negative psychological responses after abortion appear to be those with preexisting emotional problems,"[1]


This is a MAN arguing to the court that women who have abortions are not likely at all to have adverse psychological trauma as a result of having an abortion.. when there have been demonstrable links between abortive women and mental health risks, depression and risk of substance abuse.

Leaving, as Ogden argues is just, that solely on the shoulders of young teen would-be mothers is just plain wrong..

I'd hope you'd agree..



[1] Casey v. Planned Parenthood, amicus brief written and filed by Ogden

http://www.lifenews.com/nat4804.html


Well ultimately the responsibility of the pregnancy is on the teen's shoulders soley. There is no way around that.

The clinics want an adult there as support and in case of emergency. It is a medically invasive procedure which incapacitates the girl or woman for a while. Someone needs to be there for her. If something would go wrong they want someone who can be responsible there to notify family or whatever.

The clinic does a whole lot of sharing information with the clients plus they show them a procedure on tape, explaining what happens to them and the fetus. It is alot of information to take in and the clinic wants the girl to be sure, very sure that this is what she wants to do. They also give them information on adoption and resources if the decide they want to keep the baby. It is alot for a grown woman to take in, so a girl is going to be overwhelmed.

Regardless to if the government says that these girls are soley responsible, which is true, the clinics will still want an adult with the girl, for the girls well being.

Dragoness's photo
Mon 02/09/09 11:05 AM
As for the mental health issues involved in pregnancy, whether aborted, adopted or carried through, there is mental changes that happen to all women in all of these situations.

When faced with an unwanted or unexpected pregnancy females go through alot. There can be no way around that. Our mental health organizations in this country cannot do what is needed, they are stretch too thinly. I am sure that the clinics who deal with pregnancy in general have resources for mental health that they will refer, just like regular health clinics do, but the mental health issue is a big one in this country. It is never funded as it should be and it is never able to do all that needs to be done. They do what they can, that is all they can do.

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Tue 02/10/09 01:33 AM
Edited by notquite00 on Tue 02/10/09 01:34 AM
Wow, the stimulus package is unique 'cause *it don't got no* earmarks and pork barrel spending.

A quick google of "pork barrel Feb 2009 stimulus package" gave me this article to confirm what I've heard.
http://www.examiner.com/x-1172-Birmingham-Progressive-Politics-Examiner~y2009m2d3-There-is-no-pork-barrel-spending-in-the-Stimulus-package

Many of the things that the GOP is labeling pork barrel and that don't directly create jobs seem to me like they'd indirectly create jobs anyhow. For example, who is going to build the Homeland Security building? Who is going to build the dams in MI? Who is going to make government builds green? etc etc...All of these things require workers.

And as for Obama's first two weeks, I don't feel let down too much. I knew he wasn't going to fix everything as soon as he stepped into the office - of course that isn't possible. He seems to be doing all right considering the steaming pile of **** W. left him with.

Obama's first calls to foreign offices were, reportedly, to Pres. Abbas of Palestine, Pres. Mubarak of Egypt, and Prime Min. Olmert of Israel, and to King Abdullah of Jordan. That's sounds like like our Pres. knows what international issues get first priority if you ask me.

P.S. Should I feel like a total loser that I've got my name as the last post for the top several threads at 4:34 AM? It's gunna be a long day...

no photo
Tue 02/10/09 01:48 AM
Im just watching and waiting.........bigsmile

At this point.,...no one knows what the future holds. You have a new president with alot of promises which will most likely be broken like all the other presidents.

At this point......I just see anarchy in the future.noway

notquite00's photo
Tue 02/10/09 02:59 AM


Need we say more?

dicimus01's photo
Tue 02/10/09 04:38 PM

Oh here we go again. I will say this yet again. Every woman should have the right to choose whether it be birth, adoption or abortion. I really don't want to hear all the crybaby stuff about the babies not being born when the ones who are born are not being cared for. When all the adoption agencies, foster care, crisis centers, etc... are bare of unwanted, disabled, neglected, abused, etc.. children then and only then should we discuss the need for preventing abortions.

IF YOU DON'T APPROVE OF ABORTION... DON'T HAVE ONE!!!!!


Well I sure wont have one.

Winx's photo
Tue 02/10/09 05:03 PM



Need we say more?


:tongue:

FearandLoathing's photo
Tue 02/10/09 05:20 PM
This country was built on freedom of choice and free-will...hell, we might as well build a giant prison and start throwing people in it for fun.

Pro-choice equals freedom...pro-life negates itself.

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