Topic: Obama speaks from the heart. Tells lawmakers.....
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Fri 02/06/09 08:31 AM
Obama is putting the cart before the horse. The mortgage crisis with the banks is what created the problem so Obama should be putting more effort into resolving these problems first. A stimulus package may help in the short term but probably will not stop investors from withdrawing capital from businesses. When investors withdraw capital, jobs run out the window.

The problem is Obama wanted the stimulus package to be passed before he announces his plans for the banks. He will probably abandon that idea though and I look for Geitner to announce a bank plan early next week.

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Fri 02/06/09 08:32 AM
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Fri 02/06/09 08:36 AM

Obama is putting the cart before the horse. The mortgage crisis with the banks is what created the problem so Obama should be putting more effort into resolving these problems first. A stimulus package may help in the short term but probably will not stop investors from withdrawing capital from businesses. When investors withdraw capital, jobs run out the window.

The problem is Obama wanted the stimulus package to be passed before he announces his plans for the banks. He will probably abandon that idea though and I look for Geitner to announce a bank plan early next week.


The experts have told him and us that the system has to be flushed with cash in order to stop a depression from happening. Obama is trying desperately to do this. Yes, it is a complicated thing to do and yes, our government always over does everything when they do it but the intention is to do what the experts told him he needed to do.

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Fri 02/06/09 08:37 AM





Barack Obama was born in Hawaii on August 4th, 1961. His father, Barack Obama Sr., was born and raised in a small village in Kenya.



That's what is said and accepted most, but no one really knows exactly where he was truly born since Obama refuses to let his COLB be released to the public.


personal question - would you want your birth certificate released to the public? I for one would not.


twelve year old that play little league have to make their birth certificates available for scrutiny with signed and notorized affidavits of their authenticity


and as a 12 yr old their parents make the decision on whether to produce it and whether the child plays.

Because the requirements include the showing authenticity of documentation, does that mean that the janitor or the man that paints the fields should also see and view this documentation?


so to extend the anaolgy, the democratic national party would be the parent and Obama the 12 yr old.. if either is duplicitous in nominating an ineligible candidate, that's a serious issue


but bickering over Obama's birth certificate detracts from the actual issue of the pork barrel spending bill that lay before the House..

Let the Dems pass it without Republican support and take full ownership of it.. what's the problem with that???

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Fri 02/06/09 08:40 AM


Barack Obama was born in Hawaii on August 4th, 1961. His father, Barack Obama Sr., was born and raised in a small village in Kenya.




That's what is said and accepted most, but no one really knows exactly where he was truly born since Obama refuses to let his COLB be released to the public.


This isn't true either, he did provide it. The issue was that the birth record said "copy" on it. But if you have ever got a "copy" of your birth certificate that is what it says, COPY. So it is bogus and a frivolous law suit to boot.

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Fri 02/06/09 08:42 AM


Obama is putting the cart before the horse. The mortgage crisis with the banks is what created the problem so Obama should be putting more effort into resolving these problems first. A stimulus package may help in the short term but probably will not stop investors from withdrawing capital from businesses. When investors withdraw capital, jobs run out the window.

The problem is Obama wanted the stimulus package to be passed before he announces his plans for the banks. He will probably abandon that idea though and I look for Geitner to announce a bank plan early next week.


The experts have told him and us that the system has to be flushed with cash in order to stop a depression from happening. Obama is trying desperately to do this. Yes, it is a complicated thing to do and yes, our government always over does everything when they do it but the intention is to do what the experts told him he needed to do.


Experts at what? Not doing their taxes right? Taking lobbying money? Spending money that will not create jobs?
Obama picks are experts?
Please..........




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Fri 02/06/09 08:42 AM
Playing politics while the economy fails...

In the house version not one republican voted for the stimulus package despite the fact that republican governors were urging them to make this happen.

They sat and pouted and issued statements about how bad a package it was and how they were shut out of the process. Bull $hit. There are republicans on these committees. Why aren't they participating in negotiation and crafting balanced legislation?

Because they are playing politics.

Fiddling while Rome burns.

Why? So they can say...this isn't my legislation.

Something must be done so why not participate and represent your constituents and their interests in coming to compromises that can best benefit all concerned?

I'll tell you why...so they can play a kid trick game of fail. The trouble is we are all going to pay for it.

There is a small group of persons from both parties attempting to forge a compromise now. Statesmanship might not be completely dead...

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Fri 02/06/09 08:43 AM



his first 2 plus weeks have been a disaster...from Gitmo...wrong...to $400 million to " educate "...third world countries about abortion...wrong...to...the new healthcare bill...wrong...to this stinking....rotten spending bill...wrong...I think the change he ran on...and what hes given us...are two different things...and...MOST Americans are already seeing it...well...non Liberals anyway...:smile:


Lets see...
Hes obeyed the law by reversing the illegal policies of the Bush Administration.
He's reached out a hand to third world countries to try and help them through education and diplomacy. Listening to the experts instead of taking the poster of the great decider.

And he's made the White House more open to the average American so they can see what he's doing and respond through a web-site designed just for this purpose.

He's done everything he has been able to accomplish to live up to his campaign promises despite the opposition from unamerican and spiteful members of the Republican Party.

Yep!
I say well done Mr. Obama...drinker

Dragoness's photo
Fri 02/06/09 08:43 AM






Barack Obama was born in Hawaii on August 4th, 1961. His father, Barack Obama Sr., was born and raised in a small village in Kenya.



That's what is said and accepted most, but no one really knows exactly where he was truly born since Obama refuses to let his COLB be released to the public.


personal question - would you want your birth certificate released to the public? I for one would not.


twelve year old that play little league have to make their birth certificates available for scrutiny with signed and notorized affidavits of their authenticity


and as a 12 yr old their parents make the decision on whether to produce it and whether the child plays.

Because the requirements include the showing authenticity of documentation, does that mean that the janitor or the man that paints the fields should also see and view this documentation?


so to extend the anaolgy, the democratic national party would be the parent and Obama the 12 yr old.. if either is duplicitous in nominating an ineligible candidate, that's a serious issue


but bickering over Obama's birth certificate detracts from the actual issue of the pork barrel spending bill that lay before the House..

Let the Dems pass it without Republican support and take full ownership of it.. what's the problem with that???


Of course the down side to that is that the non support from the republicans will show that they care nothing for the average citizen of this country because if the bill does not happen we are for sure to go into depression here.

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Fri 02/06/09 08:43 AM






Barack Obama was born in Hawaii on August 4th, 1961. His father, Barack Obama Sr., was born and raised in a small village in Kenya.



That's what is said and accepted most, but no one really knows exactly where he was truly born since Obama refuses to let his COLB be released to the public.


personal question - would you want your birth certificate released to the public? I for one would not.


twelve year old that play little league have to make their birth certificates available for scrutiny with signed and notorized affidavits of their authenticity


and as a 12 yr old their parents make the decision on whether to produce it and whether the child plays.

Because the requirements include the showing authenticity of documentation, does that mean that the janitor or the man that paints the fields should also see and view this documentation?


so to extend the anaolgy, the democratic national party would be the parent and Obama the 12 yr old.. if either is duplicitous in nominating an ineligible candidate, that's a serious issue


but bickering over Obama's birth certificate detracts from the actual issue of the pork barrel spending bill that lay before the House..

Let the Dems pass it without Republican support and take full ownership of it.. what's the problem with that???


duplicitous like the Panamanian Republican Presidential Candidate laugh but wait he was an eligible candidate laugh

What I cant for the life of me get is the separation? Why must it be Dems v Reps??? Do you realize that it doesn't matter who does what in government, but that we all suffer/benefit.

but then again, it's Friday, I am on weekend mode :banana: flowerforyou

Fanta46's photo
Fri 02/06/09 08:43 AM


Obama is putting the cart before the horse. The mortgage crisis with the banks is what created the problem so Obama should be putting more effort into resolving these problems first. A stimulus package may help in the short term but probably will not stop investors from withdrawing capital from businesses. When investors withdraw capital, jobs run out the window.

The problem is Obama wanted the stimulus package to be passed before he announces his plans for the banks. He will probably abandon that idea though and I look for Geitner to announce a bank plan early next week.


The experts have told him and us that the system has to be flushed with cash in order to stop a depression from happening. Obama is trying desperately to do this. Yes, it is a complicated thing to do and yes, our government always over does everything when they do it but the intention is to do what the experts told him he needed to do.


drinker drinker drinker

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Fri 02/06/09 08:45 AM
Edited by wiley on Fri 02/06/09 08:47 AM



Barack Obama was born in Hawaii on August 4th, 1961. His father, Barack Obama Sr., was born and raised in a small village in Kenya.




That's what is said and accepted most, but no one really knows exactly where he was truly born since Obama refuses to let his COLB be released to the public.


This isn't true either, he did provide it. The issue was that the birth record said "copy" on it. But if you have ever got a "copy" of your birth certificate that is what it says, COPY. So it is bogus and a frivolous law suit to boot.


No. The "issue" was that he released a digital image of his "Certification of Live Birth" instead of releasing his "Birth Certificate." Of course the State of Hawaii has already said they have his original birth certificate on file (Apparently some people think that the State of Hawaii would keep a foreign birth certificate for someone who wasn't adopted by US citizens...) and in Hawaii a "COLB" has equal legal standing as proof of birth as a "BC" does.

He could release the super long redundant version of his supreme birth certificate with DNA samples from himself, his parents, and his grandparents, along with his school records, records of immunizations, etc. etc. etc. and there would still be people crying for something else to be provided.

If he wasn't official before, the State of Hawaii has made him official now. That's why every case that has even brought his NBC status into question has been thrown out on its face.

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Fri 02/06/09 08:47 AM



Obama is putting the cart before the horse. The mortgage crisis with the banks is what created the problem so Obama should be putting more effort into resolving these problems first. A stimulus package may help in the short term but probably will not stop investors from withdrawing capital from businesses. When investors withdraw capital, jobs run out the window.

The problem is Obama wanted the stimulus package to be passed before he announces his plans for the banks. He will probably abandon that idea though and I look for Geitner to announce a bank plan early next week.


The experts have told him and us that the system has to be flushed with cash in order to stop a depression from happening. Obama is trying desperately to do this. Yes, it is a complicated thing to do and yes, our government always over does everything when they do it but the intention is to do what the experts told him he needed to do.


Experts at what? Not doing their taxes right? Taking lobbying money? Spending money that will not create jobs?
Obama picks are experts?
Please..........






No, experts that are not on his cabinet have consulted with Obama and have told him that the mistakes made in the 20s was that the system was not flushed with cash in the beginning of the recession.

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Fri 02/06/09 08:49 AM
It looks like the plan that will be announced next week for the banks will be more of the same but with a tad bit more oversight. Once again the government will insure the "toxic assets" losses. The government should act like a private investor and snap up these assets at firesale prices for the taxpayers. No one from the Washington establishment or Wall Street should run the program.


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Fri 02/06/09 08:50 AM

It looks like the plan that will be announced next week for the banks will be more of the same but with a tad bit more oversight. Once again the government will insure the "toxic assets" losses. The government should act like a private investor and snap up these assets at firesale prices for the taxpayers. No one from the Washington establishment or Wall Street should run the program.




Actually, the last thing we need is government buying these up. Let them auction them to the general public like everybody else.

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Fri 02/06/09 08:51 AM




Barack Obama was born in Hawaii on August 4th, 1961. His father, Barack Obama Sr., was born and raised in a small village in Kenya.




That's what is said and accepted most, but no one really knows exactly where he was truly born since Obama refuses to let his COLB be released to the public.


This isn't true either, he did provide it. The issue was that the birth record said "copy" on it. But if you have ever got a "copy" of your birth certificate that is what it says, COPY. So it is bogus and a frivolous law suit to boot.


No. The "issue" was that he released a digital image of his "Certification of Live Birth" instead of releasing his "Birth Certificate." Of course the State of Hawaii has already said they have his original birth certificate on file (Apparently some people think that the State of Hawaii would keep a foreign birth certificate for someone who wasn't adopted by US citizens...) and in Hawaii a "COLB" has equal legal standing as proof of birth as a "BC" does.

He could release the super long redundant version of his supreme birth certificate with DNA samples from himself, his parents, and his grandparents, along with his school records, records of immunizations, etc. etc. etc. and there would still be people crying for something else to be provided.

If he wasn't official before, the State of Hawaii has made him official now. That's why every case that has even brought his NBC status into question has been thrown out on its face.


It has been thrown out because it is bogus and frivilous. And it is. There is no reason for all of this except the hatemongers in this country cannot stand the fact he is in office. Obviously they were out voted:wink: laugh

wiley's photo
Fri 02/06/09 08:55 AM





Barack Obama was born in Hawaii on August 4th, 1961. His father, Barack Obama Sr., was born and raised in a small village in Kenya.




That's what is said and accepted most, but no one really knows exactly where he was truly born since Obama refuses to let his COLB be released to the public.


This isn't true either, he did provide it. The issue was that the birth record said "copy" on it. But if you have ever got a "copy" of your birth certificate that is what it says, COPY. So it is bogus and a frivolous law suit to boot.


No. The "issue" was that he released a digital image of his "Certification of Live Birth" instead of releasing his "Birth Certificate." Of course the State of Hawaii has already said they have his original birth certificate on file (Apparently some people think that the State of Hawaii would keep a foreign birth certificate for someone who wasn't adopted by US citizens...) and in Hawaii a "COLB" has equal legal standing as proof of birth as a "BC" does.

He could release the super long redundant version of his supreme birth certificate with DNA samples from himself, his parents, and his grandparents, along with his school records, records of immunizations, etc. etc. etc. and there would still be people crying for something else to be provided.

If he wasn't official before, the State of Hawaii has made him official now. That's why every case that has even brought his NBC status into question has been thrown out on its face.


It has been thrown out because it is bogus and frivilous. And it is. There is no reason for all of this except the hatemongers in this country cannot stand the fact he is in office. Obviously they were out voted:wink: laugh


Pretty much the only ones who are keeping the "not an NBC" thing going are the same people who think top level officials in our government have been replaced by extra-terrestrials and they have been secretly working since 1943 to get Barrack Obama elected as President. But we need a good conspiracy theory every now and then to lighten things up.

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Fri 02/06/09 09:02 AM


It looks like the plan that will be announced next week for the banks will be more of the same but with a tad bit more oversight. Once again the government will insure the "toxic assets" losses. The government should act like a private investor and snap up these assets at firesale prices for the taxpayers. No one from the Washington establishment or Wall Street should run the program.




Actually, the last thing we need is government buying these up. Let them auction them to the general public like everybody else.


If you had "deep Pockets" wouldn't you like to be buying oil at todays prices for resale when the price recovers? There is no market for the general public today.

Dragoness's photo
Fri 02/06/09 09:05 AM






Barack Obama was born in Hawaii on August 4th, 1961. His father, Barack Obama Sr., was born and raised in a small village in Kenya.




That's what is said and accepted most, but no one really knows exactly where he was truly born since Obama refuses to let his COLB be released to the public.


This isn't true either, he did provide it. The issue was that the birth record said "copy" on it. But if you have ever got a "copy" of your birth certificate that is what it says, COPY. So it is bogus and a frivolous law suit to boot.


No. The "issue" was that he released a digital image of his "Certification of Live Birth" instead of releasing his "Birth Certificate." Of course the State of Hawaii has already said they have his original birth certificate on file (Apparently some people think that the State of Hawaii would keep a foreign birth certificate for someone who wasn't adopted by US citizens...) and in Hawaii a "COLB" has equal legal standing as proof of birth as a "BC" does.

He could release the super long redundant version of his supreme birth certificate with DNA samples from himself, his parents, and his grandparents, along with his school records, records of immunizations, etc. etc. etc. and there would still be people crying for something else to be provided.

If he wasn't official before, the State of Hawaii has made him official now. That's why every case that has even brought his NBC status into question has been thrown out on its face.


It has been thrown out because it is bogus and frivilous. And it is. There is no reason for all of this except the hatemongers in this country cannot stand the fact he is in office. Obviously they were out voted:wink: laugh


Pretty much the only ones who are keeping the "not an NBC" thing going are the same people who think top level officials in our government have been replaced by extra-terrestrials and they have been secretly working since 1943 to get Barrack Obama elected as President. But we need a good conspiracy theory every now and then to lighten things up.


I would not say that the only ones are the ones who believe in ET because you obviously know more about it than I do and I know the birth certificate thing is bogus and frivolous.

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Fri 02/06/09 09:05 AM
Edited by Drivinmenutz on Fri 02/06/09 09:22 AM


Democrats have the majority in the House.. Let them pass this bill on their own..

why are they afraid of sole ownership of the bill?? why should House republicans abandon their values and their obligation to represent their constituents who voted them into office?

if this is such a great bill, why don't the democrats just let the train leave the republicans onthe platform??

could it be that when it FAILS to cure the ails it promises, that the Dems in DC want to be able to say, "The Republicans voted for it too" ??

I promise you that no Republicans are going to put themselves in the position of having to say they voted against it before they voted for it..
"why should House republicans abandon their values and their obligation to represent their constituents who voted them into office?"

Why should we expect anything different! It cost you this election and put this economy in the basement. Where have those values been? Surely bought and paid for the last 8 years. Then all
you offer was more of the same with McCain!

Republicans cant blame no one but themselves.








And now they are trying to make up for it by doing the right thing...

Why is it now, when the republicans are trying to turn around, they get criticized the most? Oh yeah, people are sheep following their party flock once again. Doesn't occur to people that most democrats are just as evil as the neocons. In fact, most democrats backed his ideas once he threw out his, talked about, conservative ways.