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I will go back a few pages and catch up....the tension in here is horrible....
geeezzzzzz people \ passing out some chill pills |
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sorry doll but no subconscious mind was involved in this at all....It just was what it was....It's not up for debate really because to me it was God speaking clear as a bell. When I asked God if he was real, and then said if you are is my mom going to be coming up with you shortly and the butterflies are what he sent. So to me a miracle and I don't care what anyone says.
I will by what your saying about how the subconscious mind works but in these cases it just isn't the case. I think the subconscious mind will protect the conscious mind but in all these case it just wouldn't apply. I know what Feralcatlady is talking about when she shares her 'miracles.' The synchronicity of these events are what I run into when I practice visualization, intent, and the law of attraction techniques. It has to do with how we work with our subconscious minds. It is where the phrase "ask and it is given" comes from. Faith is part of the formula. Some people call these things miracles, but they are just one of the ways we appear to manifest our personal reality. Her experience with opening the Bible and reading the page, works with just about any random book in your library. I do it with tarot cards. It is one of the ways we interpret what our subconscious minds is attempting to communicate to our conscious minds. If this happens enough on a regular basis you come to have faith in it..... whatever it is. I think it is the subconscious mind at work. Which itself alone is pretty miraculous. |
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Faith is knowing, "JennieBean" ..if one "knows" then can you explain why they would need faith ... if you know that you exist ...why would you need faith that you do exist ...this implies that you have doubts about your existence Good point actually. Well then I guess faith is more like trust. But it is not the same thing as Hope. I know I exist. I have faith that there is a reason for my existence, so I don't question it. "JennieBean" your existence to yourself is the only absolute truth because everything else could be a delusion ..which is why for you to have faith that something less than absolute gives your existence reason implies hopelessness ... you simply can not have faith without the inclusion of doubt and/or hope ... I don't doubt my faith...and as a man who has none...well frankly you have no clue. |
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I know what Feralcatlady is talking about when she shares her 'miracles.' The synchronicity of these events are what I run into when I practice visualization, intent, and the law of attraction techniques. It has to do with how we work with our subconscious minds. It is where the phrase "ask and it is given" comes from. Faith is part of the formula. Some people call these things miracles, but they are just one of the ways we appear to manifest our personal reality. Her experience with opening the Bible and reading the page, works with just about any random book in your library. I do it with tarot cards. It is one of the ways we interpret what our subconscious minds is attempting to communicate to our conscious minds. If this happens enough on a regular basis you come to have faith in it..... whatever it is. I think it is the subconscious mind at work. Which itself alone is pretty miraculous. "JennieBean"...."feralcatlady" story about a guy selling a used truck takes place everyday ...so she didn't describe a miracle what she really described was a coincidence coincidences are the results of being assimulated into the collective ..the best way to explain this is ...place 100 monkeys in a room writing constantly and they will eventually write Shakesphere keep picking up the phone and saying hello and eventually someone will be on the other end talk or read while watching television and eventually you and the television will say the same words there are no miracles..... only happenstances a miracle is an event that simply could not take place without Divine Intervention ... no one has of yet given such a situation You so crack me up funch...I believe my exact words were could of been a coinsidence but that I didn't think so nor did I care because however it worked it open the door for me to talk to him about God..... And you don't even know 1/4 of the whole story....and it wasn't just the truck or the bible...It was much much more and many more miracles.....And was it Divine Intervention yo bet your sweet bippy it was. |
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sorry doll but no subconscious mind was involved in this at all....It just was what it was....It's not up for debate really because to me it was God speaking clear as a bell. When I asked God if he was real, and then said if you are is my mom going to be coming up with you shortly and the butterflies are what he sent. So to me a miracle and I don't care what anyone says. I will by what your saying about how the subconscious mind works but in these cases it just isn't the case. I think the subconscious mind will protect the conscious mind but in all these case it just wouldn't apply. Oh I think we agree you just don't realize it. (We agree except that I describe GOD as the subconscious mind, and you describe it as Spirit.) Since you can't see spirit and I can't see the subconscious mind and neither of us can prove the existence or nature of either, I think we are on even keel here. So there is no real disagreement or debate possible except where our personal concept or description of what "God" is, and that isn't going to change. |
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sorry doll but no subconscious mind was involved in this at all....It just was what it was....It's not up for debate really because to me it was God speaking clear as a bell. When I asked God if he was real, and then said if you are is my mom going to be coming up with you shortly and the butterflies are what he sent. So to me a miracle and I don't care what anyone says. I will by what your saying about how the subconscious mind works but in these cases it just isn't the case. I think the subconscious mind will protect the conscious mind but in all these case it just wouldn't apply. Oh I think we agree you just don't realize it. (We agree except that I describe GOD as the subconscious mind, and you describe it as Spirit.) Since you can't see spirit and I can't see the subconscious mind and neither of us can prove the existence or nature of either, I think we are on even keel here. So there is no real disagreement or debate possible except where our personal concept or description of what "God" is, and that isn't going to change. I think you may be right....and as long as you don't bash my beliefs which you never have....we are always good JB. I have always had massive respect for you and that has not changed. |
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You so crack me up funch...I believe my exact words were could of been a coinsidence but that I didn't think so nor did I care because however it worked it open the door for me to talk to him about God..... And you don't even know 1/4 of the whole story....and it wasn't just the truck or the bible...It was much much more and many more miracles.....And was it Divine Intervention yo bet your sweet bippy it was. "feralcatlady" a miracle is the result from Divine Intervention not human intervention ....when Moses supposedly parted the red sea you didn't see any humans building a dam to make the event possible, God supposedly showed himself by creating an event that defied the laws of Nature .. you and "JennieBean" are preaching (Pantheism) where everyone is God the best example I can give of this is on Star Trek (The Next Generation) with a race called "Q" in which everyone is a God but their powers are not the result of faith or performing miracles or Divine Intervention they just have the knowledge how to alter the laws of physics so "Feralcatlady" if you are trying to wield faith then that makes you a pantheist not a Christian and placing yourself into the role of God and when it comes to God, Duncan McCloud "The Highlander" said it best ...there can only be but one if these are the best example of Miracles then it's destine to be entered into "The Third Testament" that there are no Miracles so "feralcatlady" here's your chance to convince everyone of God's existence beyond someone selling a truck or someone going to the doctor ...tell of an event that happenned to you or you have witness that defied the laws of physics |
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I think you may be right....and as long as you don't bash my beliefs which you never have....we are always good JB. I have always had massive respect for you and that has not changed. Jeez ...talking about brown-nosing |
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I don't doubt my faith...and as a man who has none...well frankly you have no clue. "feralcatlady" faith is for that which you have doubts about and/or lack sufficent knowledge of or why would one need faith |
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Funches your "God delusion" distorts your ability to ascertain the true nature of the universe.
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Edited by
Dragoness
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Fri 02/06/09 08:32 AM
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Actually witchcraft came first before traditional faith. The belief that controlling or influencing the elements has been a part of old time "faiths" since as far back as recorded time. But in actuality, most witchcraft type beliefs mainly revolve around controlling and changing yourself first to influence the environment around you in a positive manner. Some go farther than that but most of the belief is centered on changing yourself. "Dragoness" ..that's a tough call ..it would depend on the first humans and what direction they took after they realize their existence and their place in nature ... it could have started with the pecking order and there were no need for faith only muscle ...or it could have started with paranoid delusion being afraid of certain animals in which they would worship the most dangerous ones which would require faith Humans of old would have been amazed by the power of nature and the earth, the sun and the night so it is natural they would relate those things to a power higher then themselves. And then the natural follow through to that would be to please these powers higher than yourself so they will shine positively on you. Pecking order would only have altered this process by the most powerful of the group believing on thing over another and forcing the rest to follow. Hey, that kind of sounds like todays religions huh?  
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Funches your "God delusion" distorts your ability to ascertain the true nature of the universe. "JennieBean" does the true nature of the universe requires the use of money......but I bet you use money ..so aren't you yourself distorting the true nature of the universe ...if you claim to be a God and your subconscious can perform Miracles then why are you controlled by money just like the average person |
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Actually witchcraft came first before traditional faith. The belief that controlling or influencing the elements has been a part of old time "faiths" since as far back as recorded time. But in actuality, most witchcraft type beliefs mainly revolve around controlling and changing yourself first to influence the environment around you in a positive manner. Some go farther than that but most of the belief is centered on changing yourself. "Dragoness" ..that's a tough call ..it would depend on the first humans and what direction they took after they realize their existence and their place in nature ... it could have started with the pecking order and there were no need for faith only muscle ...or it could have started with paranoid delusion being afraid of certain animals in which they would worship the most dangerous ones which would require faith Humans of old would have been amazed by the power of nature and the earth, the sun and the night so it is natural they would relate those things to a power higher then themselves. And then the natural follow through to that would be to please these powers higher than yourself so they will shine positively on you. Pecking order would only have altered this process by the most powerful of the group believing on thing over another and forcing the rest to follow. Hey, that kind of sounds like todays religions huh?
"Dragoness" ..again it depends on it you believe if neanderthal Man were the first humans all they would be concern with was survival and avoidence of hungry creatures or other dangers in nature the more man evolved, the more paranoid he became, the more he began to fear everything he didn't understand, the more he began to worship anything that was more powerful and the more he used faith as a means to become content with that which was beyond his control...anything beyond that became man's attempt to control nature aka witchcraft/technology |
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Edited by
feralcatlady
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Fri 02/06/09 10:59 AM
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You so crack me up funch...I believe my exact words were could of been a coinsidence but that I didn't think so nor did I care because however it worked it open the door for me to talk to him about God..... And you don't even know 1/4 of the whole story....and it wasn't just the truck or the bible...It was much much more and many more miracles.....And was it Divine Intervention yo bet your sweet bippy it was. "feralcatlady" a miracle is the result from Divine Intervention not human intervention ....when Moses supposedly parted the red sea you didn't see any humans building a dam to make the event possible, God supposedly showed himself by creating an event that defied the laws of Nature .. you and "JennieBean" are preaching (Pantheism) where everyone is God the best example I can give of this is on Star Trek (The Next Generation) with a race called "Q" in which everyone is a God but their powers are not the result of faith or performing miracles or Divine Intervention they just have the knowledge how to alter the laws of physics so "Feralcatlady" if you are trying to wield faith then that makes you a pantheist not a Christian and placing yourself into the role of God and when it comes to God, Duncan McCloud "The Highlander" said it best ...there can only be but one if these are the best example of Miracles then it's destine to be entered into "The Third Testament" that there are no Miracles so "feralcatlady" here's your chance to convince everyone of God's existence beyond someone selling a truck or someone going to the doctor ...tell of an event that happenned to you or you have witness that defied the laws of physics First of all honey know the difference....When I pray I am not doing so to a human...but to God who may or may not answer the prayer. And who do you think answers prayer Funch God...What you think that he was only there when Moses parted the Red Sea....cmon he is then and now and for always. Now God does answer prayer and does make it possible to open doors....like the truck selling to open the door to talk to this man. Do I think it was God intervention....Of course I do, why "Faith" baby "Faith" Please do not use me and pantheism in the same sentence....first off there is God, and Jesus I would never claim to ever ever be on the same level. I am not god, nor the mountains, nor the trees, nor the flowers. I never claim to have powers of any kinds...I have Faith and I am saved by that faith and by Grace of the Living God. One God.....And never once did I state I was anything other then a human being with yea funch Faith because that is what makes me a CHRISTIAN and whom I put all into God not people. And if you think that me praying to the Lord & Savior and getting prayer answered makes me a god that is your warped mind funch. Because I would never claim that. Again funch because of my Faith I have nothing to prove. I have given you enough.....and your trying to lay claim that God didn't answer prayers is your gig. Because the Lord "MY" God answers my prayers. |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Fri 02/06/09 11:34 AM
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Funches your "God delusion" distorts your ability to ascertain the true nature of the universe. "JennieBean" does the true nature of the universe requires the use of money......but I bet you use money ..so aren't you yourself distorting the true nature of the universe ...if you claim to be a God and your subconscious can perform Miracles then why are you controlled by money just like the average person Funches your "God delusion" distorts your ability to ascertain the true nature of the universe. We are not talking about me and we are not talking about money. Your "God delusion" distorts your ability to ascertain the true nature of the universe. |
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First of all honey know the difference....When I pray I am not doing so to a human...but to God who may or may not answer the prayer. And who do you think answers prayer Funch God...What you think that he was only there when Moses parted the Red Sea....cmon he is then and now and for always. Now God does answer prayer and does make it possible to open doors....like the truck selling to open the door to talk to this man. Do I think it was God intervention....Of course I do, why "Faith" baby "Faith" Please do not use me and pantheism in the same sentence....first off there is God, and Jesus I would never claim to ever ever be on the same level. I am not god, nor the mountains, nor the trees, nor the flowers. I never claim to have powers of any kinds...I have Faith and I am saved by that faith and by Grace of the Living God. One God.....And never once did I state I was anything other then a human being with yea funch Faith because that is what makes me a CHRISTIAN and whom I put all into God not people. And if you think that me praying to the Lord & Savior and getting prayer answered makes me a god that is your warped mind funch. Because I would never claim that. Again funch because of my Faith I have nothing to prove. I have given you enough.....and your trying to lay claim that God didn't answer prayers is your gig. Because the Lord "MY" God answers my prayers. "feralcatlady" if you truely believes that God has a Divine Plan then you should have no complaints with the world and therefore no need to pray for God to change that plan just for you the fact that you feel the need to pray shows a lack of faith in God's Divine plan in which you feel that you need to assume the role of God and change that plan using your faith as witchcraft God supposedly let himself be known by doing things that defy nature like getting Virgins pregnant without sex, killing all the first born of eqypt, drowning everyone on the planet in a flood ...these things defy nature ....but yet you say that it was Divine Intervention when God helped you sell a guys truck just so the guy can believe in him this is no miracle or defy the laws of nature ...that is you "feralcatlady" trying to play God God left proof that he never answer prayers ...just ask anyone that prayed to him for their lost limbs to regrow |
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Funches your "God delusion" distorts your ability to ascertain the true nature of the universe. We are not talking about me and we are not talking about money. Your "God delusion" distorts your ability to ascertain the true nature of the universe. "JennieBean" if that is true then answer the question ...if your subconscious is God then why do you need to use money like the average person .... when I use to ask you the hard questions you would always evade the questions by claiming you are God or your subconscious is God...you can no longer run to that safe haven any longer so come on "JennieBean" if you are God why do you have to use money like the rest of the average joes ...I bet you can't answer without sounding delusional ..I can hardy wait to read your answer... this is so exciting |
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First of all honey know the difference....When I pray I am not doing so to a human...but to God who may or may not answer the prayer. And who do you think answers prayer Funch God...What you think that he was only there when Moses parted the Red Sea....cmon he is then and now and for always. Now God does answer prayer and does make it possible to open doors....like the truck selling to open the door to talk to this man. Do I think it was God intervention....Of course I do, why "Faith" baby "Faith" Please do not use me and pantheism in the same sentence....first off there is God, and Jesus I would never claim to ever ever be on the same level. I am not god, nor the mountains, nor the trees, nor the flowers. I never claim to have powers of any kinds...I have Faith and I am saved by that faith and by Grace of the Living God. One God.....And never once did I state I was anything other then a human being with yea funch Faith because that is what makes me a CHRISTIAN and whom I put all into God not people. And if you think that me praying to the Lord & Savior and getting prayer answered makes me a god that is your warped mind funch. Because I would never claim that. Again funch because of my Faith I have nothing to prove. I have given you enough.....and your trying to lay claim that God didn't answer prayers is your gig. Because the Lord "MY" God answers my prayers. "feralcatlady" if you truely believes that God has a Divine Plan then you should have no complaints with the world and therefore no need to pray for God to change that plan just for you the fact that you feel the need to pray shows a lack of faith in God's Divine plan in which you feel that you need to assume the role of God and change that plan using your faith as witchcraft God supposedly let himself be known by doing things that defy nature like getting Virgins pregnant without sex, killing all the first born of eqypt, drowning everyone on the planet in a flood ...these things defy nature ....but yet you say that it was Divine Intervention when God helped you sell a guys truck just so the guy can believe in him this is no miracle or defy the laws of nature ...that is you "feralcatlady" trying to play God God left proof that he never answer prayers ...just ask anyone that prayed to him for their lost limbs to regrow Except for one minor detail...until God does come back we have to cope and live within the world as it is...government people etc. Praying is something that you just don't get...so to explain it would be again another waste of my time when it comes to you.....just like miracles. But I will say this...If I didn't have faith that God knows me, hears me, and loves me then I would say your right...But because God does know me, hear me and love me....And it is my God given right to pray then I do. Understand another thing also I pray mostly to thank God for what he does in my life, not just for needs. HA HA HA HA HA HA HA OMG THAT WAS A BELLY LAUGH AT THAT....gigglesnorting for real. Get this FUNCH I DO NOT NOR WILL I EVER ASSUME THE ROLE OF GOD. I said this already and I will not repeat again...there is God, Jesus....I do not wish to even consider myself on the same level. Faith is in God there is no witchcraft you dufus. And also listen carefully to this funch God answers prayers not Debbie. Therefore, God is letting himself be known because sweet man I always have and will give the glory to all to God. God stepped in to open a door so I could plant a seed, then it became between God and this man....I was done....And it was God now showing this man. psssssss get it funch.....good I hope so...Because I have probably told you this at least 300 times also. I don't play God I pray for others and ask God to intervene.....get it good.....never ask this again.....or I will just say been there done that. ok |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Fri 02/06/09 12:28 PM
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Funches you have no idea what I mean when I say that I am God because your delusional concept of God is some magical mystical being that is all powerful and performs miracles.
This delusional idea of yours prevents you from comprehending what I say or what I mean when I say that the subconscious mind is "God" or that I am "God." You talk about God more than most Christians do. If you know so much about what God is and what God can or can't do, then please describe and define what God is. |
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