Speak for yourself. I have faith in my subconscious mind.

Since doubt and Hope are each different things from faith, I can have all three with no problem.

For example: I hope you know what you are talking about but I doubt i you do.

"JennieBean"...."feralcatlady" story about a guy selling a used truck takes place everyday ...so she didn't describe a miracle what she really described was a coincidence

coincidences are the results of being assimulated into the collective ..the best way to explain this is ...place 100 monkeys in a room writing constantly and they will eventually write Shakesphere

keep picking up the phone and saying hello and eventually someone will be on the other end

talk or read while watching television and eventually you and the television will say the same words

there are no miracles..... only happenstances

a miracle is an event that simply could not take place without Divine Intervention ... no one has of yet given such a situation

you have faith in your subconscious mind to do what? ....that you will never get sick or die? ..

could you explain what you meant without the inclusion of doubt and/or hope

First Funches, a monkey will never write Shakespeare. They will die of old age first. LOL

Second, we are talking about an opinion here. You call it coincidence, she calls it a miracle. Big deal.

You say there are no miracles, that's just your negative way of looking at it.

Its all just attitude and opinion.

wow Shakespeare died to .. it's a miracle



"JennieBean" ..and I see that your attitude changed once I placed Divine Intervention into the equation ..or are you saying that a miracle is not the result of Divine Intervention of a conscious God

will your belief let you admit to that fact as you admit that you believe in miracles ..it will clearly show your "Christian in Denial" side

I feel a "Perry Mason" moment coming

Actually I believe in the power of the subconscious mind and that the subconscious mind may very well be "GOD."

If you want to call that "divine Intervention" that's okay by me. Its all a matter of attitude.

My subconscious mind is divine. It may intervene if I ask it to. It may look like a 'miracle.' But it's all in the mind. Everything is in the mind.

We live in a mind world and a thought universe. The subconscious mind is the mind of all, therefore is the closest thing to defining "God" I can imagine.

"JennieBean" enough with the mumbo jumbo..a miracle is something that couldn't possible have taken place without Divine Intervention of a conscious God in which the event itself defies the laws of physics

so "JennieBean" can you tell of such a miracle that has taken place with you and your God-like subconscious or just admit you can't

Those are the facts Funches, not mumbo jumbo. If you don't want to comprehend... so be it.

Yes of course I can. My subconscious mind saved my ass twice. I've told the story several times on this club, so I'm not going to tell it again. You can call it a miracle if you want. It seemed like one at the time, but perhaps it is a natural and normal power we all possess.

Yep I'm God...made flesh...

Actually witchcraft came first before traditional faith. The belief that controlling or influencing the elements has been a part of old time "faiths" since as far back as recorded time.

But in actuality, most witchcraft type beliefs mainly revolve around controlling and changing yourself first to influence the environment around you in a positive manner. Some go farther than that but most of the belief is centered on changing yourself.

"JennieBean" I merely asked how your miracle defied the laws of physics

are you referring to the time you told us about flying pass the planet Saturn

No, how would that be something that saved my life? I fly around the cosmos all the time. I don't consider that to be a miracle. Its just remote viewing.

No the miracle was when my subconscious mind warned me that if I made a left turn I would be killed. It did this by sending me ten visions of a fatal accident in the span of a fraction of a second, and then the other time my subconscious warned me that someone was hiding in the back seat of my car. I had no way of knowing other than I heard the warning inside my head that someone was in my car.

Now a person could call that a miracle, but I call it the power of my divine subconscious.

"Dragoness" ..that's a tough call ..it would depend on the first humans and what direction they took after they realize their existence and their place in nature ...

it could have started with the pecking order and there were no need for faith only muscle ...or it could have started with paranoid delusion being afraid of certain animals in which they would worship the most dangerous ones which would require faith

"JennieBean" ..these wasn't Miracles they fall into the realm of prophetizing which is only your subconscious picking up key signals in the enviroment to warn you of possible danger but that happens to everyone even animals and can always be explained logically ...

because you didn't make a left turn and crash is no indication that you would have crashed if you did make that left turn besides the miracle would have been if you did make that left turn was about to crashed and your car floated in the air above the crash

also with the senerio of the person hiding in your car back seat ..your brain may have smell them or seen footprints by the car, seen something in the car that was in disarray, the car tires were lower than usual, you felt the car was heavier and place it all together that someone was in your back seat ..besides a miracle would have been if the person floated out of the window of your car and was tied to a pole with vines or something

a Miracle is when Divine Intervention steps in and let you know that they are there ...your subconscious is always there and if it intervene it's called the survival instinct the will to live not divine intervention

Moses parting the red sea could be an example of Divine Intervention ...so ...did anything like that happen to you

I agree that it was my subconscious giving me information that my conscious senses had no way of knowing. This is not an average day to day awareness, so many people would call this a miracle.

There was no way I would have known a man was hiding in my car by normal senses. I was in a bar across the street when the information came into my thoughts. There was no physical indication and no way to have made that guess with my normal senses. So this proves to me that my subconscious mind can see and know more than my physical senses.

In the case of being warned about the man in my car, I had five witnesses to that event. My car was sitting in the dark across the street. I could not see anything. I was inside of the bar when I got the message. I am not psychic. This happened because my life was in danger. My subconscious mind knew what was impossible for my conscious mind to know.

I did not simply suspect or fear there was a man in my car, I was obsessed and compelled with the idea. The information was coming in VERY VERY STRONG. It was insistent! I had to go and check it out. I brought three men with me. I was not about to go alone!

As for the avoided car accident:

I did make the left turn, but it was one second later than it would have been, had I not looked over my shoulder. In that second a truck traveling very very fast sped by me on the left. I would have most definitely been killed in that crash or at the very least mangled for life.

Had I not received those visions and that communication from my subconscious mind, I would have made that turn one second earlier and been hit! This satisfies me as being a miracle from my subconscious mind because it saved my life.

You can deny it all you want but if you think your harping and chirping that it was not a miracle means anything to me you are delusional. It does not matter what you or anyone want to call it. It was truly an amazing event in my life and not one that happens every day.



You have your own definition of what you think is a miracle and you rationalize everything else. You are a person who is disparately trying to grasp and hold onto your known reality, perhaps because you fear being insane or delusional. Why don't you just relax and let yourself be the true multidimensional being that you are.

"JennieBean"...maybe you subconsciously overheard someone in the bar talking about people hiding in the back seats of cars and that's why you decided to have someone walk you to your car it's called being safe and because you looked in the mirrors and avoided an accident is something you should always do ...it's called safe driving ...your experiences where just the normal happenstances of life or what others refer to as having "a close call"

even some animals can tell when an earthquake is about to take place there are even dogs that can tell if someone is about to have an seizure so is that divine intervention of just instinct ...

try to get your subconsious without the aid of technology allow your body to live without the need to eat food or drink water ..if you can't then you believing that your subconscious is God and Divine Intervention is delusional

Funch now it is YOU who are making stuff up. No that is not the way it happened. The event is very clear in my mind.

So stop trying to delude yourself.

"JennieBean"..all I'm saying is your experiences is just the same old same old hum drum of everyday living ....Gods don't need to drive cars and almost be in accidents and Gods don't need to hang in bars and then need someone to walk them to their car in the fear of someone hiding in the back seat ..but those thing does happen to the average person

and "feralcatlady" think some guy selling his truck and both of them crying while reading the bible is a miracle ...so if those are all the miracles you guys can come up heck I've been through stuff that will make your toes curl but I'm not deluded enough to call them miracles ..it's called "sh_t happens"

They don't happen to everyone. But they do happen to the 'average' person, because I am very average.

If these kinds of 'miracles' or if this kind of 'subconscious information' was "normal" and happened 'all the time' then there would never be any more car accidents, and there would not be anymore kidnappings or robberies or muggings because people everywhere would be forewarned by their subconscious mind that knows more than they do and they would know how to prevent it.

This is not a 'normal' occurrence. It may be 'natural and explainable' by the subconscious mind breaking through to the conscious mind and communicating information, but it is not a common or normal event.

Most information is not important and is not brought to the attention of the conscious mind by the subconscious. But in this case, the information was deemed VERY IMPORTANT, and even life threatening urgent, hence the subconscious mind brought it to my conscious attention very strongly.

which means it didn't happen to you ...because you are average