Even it STILL doesn't get you anywhere or if they call you a "nice guy" and promptly dump you after that.

I think its wonderful, It shows that you think of them. It would make any woman with brains feel special!

Keep doing what your doing. I went on a date recently and when I opened her car door she was stunned. She said she never had a guy do that for her and she is 40 years old! Trust me, she was very appreciative

Actions speak louder than words...unless this is your way to try and pick women up...just sounds like another nice guy thread

No, it makes you a "nice guy." Women will not be attracted to that. Women are attracted to confident alpha men. Women don't want flowers. If you do that you are ruining your chances of getting laid or of them falling for you. They think they have the upper hand and they will play you.

You need some lessons. The most decent of the Pick up artists is David De Angelo. Some of the others are jerks. Wise up if you want to have success with women. Read the book called "The Game" by Neil Strauss and you will learn a lot.

But even if you are looking for that special someone, you need to know how to attract women.

no way!!! I married that kind of guy and after a few years it really wears on you. I know I want a nice guy this time!!!! not beating my head into the wall twice lol.

No I wish more guys were like that

The point is confidence, real and true. Not fakery.

A confident alpha male can still be nice polite and respectful.
And a good person.

Sure, if you want to be a "nice guy" because you think you aren't good enough for her that you have to ply her with flowers and gifts thinking that will win her love.

News flash... it won't.

She either respects you or she doesn't. If you are begging and whining and offering gifts for her affection, she will not respect you for that. It means you have little else to offer her. Do you not deserve her for the man you are? Are you not a good enough man that a woman would want you that you have to beg and plead and treat her like a princess and ply her with gifts just for the pleasure of her company?

Good luck with that. For those of you who think that is the way to go.... how successful has it been for you?

Respect yourself. You are worth it.

</End of pep talk.>

Heck no, you are traditional!

No shame in that!

I think it is very good thing to do. I would appreciate it too if it is done in a very natural manner. Just don't give the impression that you are her slave or servant or she will eventually treat you like one.

Most men don't know how to go on dates and are clueless to "courting."

It is either because they are just inexperienced or just unaware. Just be yourself and be respectful as you would to anyone. If you have self confidence and self esteem women will be attracted to you no matter what you do.

There is nothing wrong with being "nice." It is the attitude that counts.

i agree dont be fake abought it. if you really enjoy doing it for women go ahead. Most will like it and like you for it.

Here is the truth, you can be dating a gal for a few months, plying her with gifts, being the nice guy, courting her in the traditional manner, hoping to get closer or intimate, almost "going steady."

And then along comes a confident alpha male and she cannot help being attracted to him. It is hard wired in females to seek the strong alpha male for mating.

So she can be out with the girls one night and she can very possibly hook up with this guy and be in bed with him before you can blink an eye.

Next day, she is back to being the innocent virtuous "girlfriend" of the nice guy.

This happens more than you know. The thing to do is to find how how to be an alpha male. A person with his own personal power and confidence. It starts out that way and it develops into your own self improvement program where you gain knowledge and confidence in yourself. Its not about being dishonest like so many sleazy pick up artists, although it would not hurt to learn their trick and tactics. Then you will know what they are using on YOUR GIRL behind your back. You will be more alert.

Men go to college for years to train for that special job that will be their career so they can support their wives and they don't know jack about how to attract one.

Educate yourself, is my advice. In how to talk to women, in how to romance them, in how to be a confident male, in how to please them in bed. Don't just stumble in the dark.

Women have been learning how to attract their men all of their lives, planning their weddings etc. Men need to catch up.

If you like doing it, keep doing it. Asking if it makes you a sap doesn't do much for you, though.

Well said JB

Nope. You're being a "gentleman" or a "nice guy", which might as well be your death-knell.

If you wanna call anyone a sap, I'd probably fall under that category. Here's an example-

A girl I was dating said she was a HUGE fan of that "300" movie. So -in trying to be the NICE guy- I went out and picked up a twelve-inch collectible "Spartan" figurine that I was gonna give her for her birthday which is not too far off in the future.

But THEN she dumped me, which -if anything- means she ain't gettin' that figurine now.

Yup. A sap. That's me, all right.

Oh geez...I'm now sharing a brain with BOTH of you??? I must be spending too much time on this site!
Luvs to ya both!

The moral of this is when you open the door for her, grab her ass as she walks by.

Thank you.