Topic: Is Obama really christian
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Sat 01/24/09 07:42 AM
Edited by smiless on Sat 01/24/09 07:47 AM
I think he does believe in a faith system and it is mentioned that his wife went to church before coming to the inauguration. He also prayed with the priest on inaugaration day. I also believe that he thinks that the type of faith a person practices is his or her business and should keep it private for the family. He is doing a good job of that and following along with how the inauguration was created for him and Vice President Biden for he knows many who come to see him have strong faith systems.


In his inaugaration speech, President Obama mentioned that this is a land that all can live in. Christian, Muslim,Hindu or those who don't believe and we should respect each other as a people. I thought that was a nice part of the speech he made when he became President.

I am sure that he truly meant what he said as he once was a lawyer for civilian rights and a avid defender of the Constitution.

I also believe he will try to restore America's image by trying to show this is a land that can cooperate with the world, show compassion, resolve major issues through diplomacy, and work with other nations in the efforts to preserve healthy economies, peace, and prosperity.


If Congress will work with him is another question all together, yet I know he wants to restore the government into where the people can trust it again. It is highly pass due and he knows it. He truly has alot on his plate trying to make a Democratic Republic into a stabile Direct Democratic System to where people can live amongst each other peaceful and be educated enough to tolerate other lifestyles around the world.

As he has lived and travelled to other countries throughout his childhood and later as a young adult he saw many different belief systems to make him a more wisier man to understand that not everyone can be the same. I am sure he is much more acceptable to the world because he has done this. It saddens me that many Americans don't travel to see other cultures to learn to understand that not everything is based on American belief system or lifestyle. This world is big with many different idealogies that work just as good as the American way of life, if not better in some countries.

There is my 2 cents worth for this morning and I will be off to create a delicious raspberry, french vanilla organic smoothie with bananas.

May you have a wonderful day without tearing down other peoples lifestyles.



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Sat 01/24/09 07:45 AM
Edited by Bushidobillyclub on Sat 01/24/09 07:46 AM


No you can't. It's quite scary actually.


This is scary:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJ2q09xrTXE
What is funny is this kid is an atheist and this is satire.

MirrorMirror's photo
Sat 01/24/09 07:47 AM

You just can’t successfully combat ignorance of that magnitude.


flowerforyou I have learned that lesson over the last few monthsflowerforyou

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Sat 01/24/09 07:48 AM



No you can't. It's quite scary actually.


This is scary:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJ2q09xrTXE
What is funny is this kid is an atheist and this is satire.


Satire or not, there are actually people out there, who believe exactly what he said, simply because it's in "the good book". . .

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Sat 01/24/09 07:55 AM




No you can't. It's quite scary actually.


This is scary:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJ2q09xrTXE
What is funny is this kid is an atheist and this is satire.


Satire or not, there are actually people out there, who believe exactly what he said, simply because it's in "the good book". . .


That is scary, but this was funny.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJ-6oLHaCfQ&feature=related

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Sat 01/24/09 07:56 AM


No you can't. It's quite scary actually.


This is scary:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJ2q09xrTXE


The Christian union?, I am afraid to find out who they are, but this young man is seriously out of his mind. Seems to show that Christians can also see themselves as terrorists. It is truly a shame to hear such a young man talk that way.

And Bat's butt f_ck mice? What the hell?

He shows a map and that is proof the bible is correct that the earth is flat?

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Sat 01/24/09 07:58 AM



No you can't. It's quite scary actually.


This is scary:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJ2q09xrTXE
What is funny is this kid is an atheist and this is satire.


HuH? He is and atheist? Where did it say that?

Geez an I fell for that? He didnt put a disclaimer at the end for those of us that might think he is serious. ... ack

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Sat 01/24/09 08:12 AM

I think he does believe in a faith system and it is mentioned that his wife went to church before coming to the inauguration. He also prayed with the priest on inaugaration day. I also believe that he thinks that the type of faith a person practices is his or her business and should keep it private for the family. He is doing a good job of that and following along with how the inauguration was created for him and Vice President Biden for he knows many who come to see him have strong faith systems.


In his inaugaration speech, President Obama mentioned that this is a land that all can live in. Christian, Muslim,Hindu or those who don't believe and we should respect each other as a people. I thought that was a nice part of the speech he made when he became President.

I am sure that he truly meant what he said as he once was a lawyer for civilian rights and a avid defender of the Constitution.

I also believe he will try to restore America's image by trying to show this is a land that can cooperate with the world, show compassion, resolve major issues through diplomacy, and work with other nations in the efforts to preserve healthy economies, peace, and prosperity.


If Congress will work with him is another question all together, yet I know he wants to restore the government into where the people can trust it again. It is highly pass due and he knows it. He truly has alot on his plate trying to make a Democratic Republic into a stabile Direct Democratic System to where people can live amongst each other peaceful and be educated enough to tolerate other lifestyles around the world.

As he has lived and travelled to other countries throughout his childhood and later as a young adult he saw many different belief systems to make him a more wisier man to understand that not everyone can be the same. I am sure he is much more acceptable to the world because he has done this. It saddens me that many Americans don't travel to see other cultures to learn to understand that not everything is based on American belief system or lifestyle. This world is big with many different idealogies that work just as good as the American way of life, if not better in some countries.

There is my 2 cents worth for this morning and I will be off to create a delicious raspberry, french vanilla organic smoothie with bananas.

May you have a wonderful day without tearing down other peoples lifestyles.


I have family members that go to church but they don't really believe in the dogma and want people to have a certain impression. We can not always know a person's true intentions no matter what we might believe of them, that goes for Obama as well. We won't really know for some time.

I do have a deep sense that Obama is a good man, but I just don't feel that he is as deeply committed to faith as he might be forced to portray for political reasons.

I agree that the man is well rounded from his experience in life and I love that about him, and I do think he sincerely wants to work things out in all areas. I just wonder if he has weak spots where he can be lead that will further an agenda that isn't necessarily for the good of all but for the benefit of a few with a more radical agenda. I am hoping this is just a tad paranoid on my part and not a premonition..

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Sat 01/24/09 08:35 AM


I think he does believe in a faith system and it is mentioned that his wife went to church before coming to the inauguration. He also prayed with the priest on inaugaration day. I also believe that he thinks that the type of faith a person practices is his or her business and should keep it private for the family. He is doing a good job of that and following along with how the inauguration was created for him and Vice President Biden for he knows many who come to see him have strong faith systems.


In his inaugaration speech, President Obama mentioned that this is a land that all can live in. Christian, Muslim,Hindu or those who don't believe and we should respect each other as a people. I thought that was a nice part of the speech he made when he became President.

I am sure that he truly meant what he said as he once was a lawyer for civilian rights and a avid defender of the Constitution.

I also believe he will try to restore America's image by trying to show this is a land that can cooperate with the world, show compassion, resolve major issues through diplomacy, and work with other nations in the efforts to preserve healthy economies, peace, and prosperity.


If Congress will work with him is another question all together, yet I know he wants to restore the government into where the people can trust it again. It is highly pass due and he knows it. He truly has alot on his plate trying to make a Democratic Republic into a stabile Direct Democratic System to where people can live amongst each other peaceful and be educated enough to tolerate other lifestyles around the world.

As he has lived and travelled to other countries throughout his childhood and later as a young adult he saw many different belief systems to make him a more wisier man to understand that not everyone can be the same. I am sure he is much more acceptable to the world because he has done this. It saddens me that many Americans don't travel to see other cultures to learn to understand that not everything is based on American belief system or lifestyle. This world is big with many different idealogies that work just as good as the American way of life, if not better in some countries.

There is my 2 cents worth for this morning and I will be off to create a delicious raspberry, french vanilla organic smoothie with bananas.

May you have a wonderful day without tearing down other peoples lifestyles.


I have family members that go to church but they don't really believe in the dogma and want people to have a certain impression. We can not always know a person's true intentions no matter what we might believe of them, that goes for Obama as well. We won't really know for some time.

I do have a deep sense that Obama is a good man, but I just don't feel that he is as deeply committed to faith as he might be forced to portray for political reasons.

I agree that the man is well rounded from his experience in life and I love that about him, and I do think he sincerely wants to work things out in all areas. I just wonder if he has weak spots where he can be lead that will further an agenda that isn't necessarily for the good of all but for the benefit of a few with a more radical agenda. I am hoping this is just a tad paranoid on my part and not a premonition..


What is for one dogma is for another strength. Dogma is a negative word and doesn't show tolerance to other peoples belief systems.

There are times when a person doesn't feel strong or worthy to live and go to a prayer for strength. One can do this without believing in anykind of religious system. I am such a person who lived a non religious life until I was forced into a semi retirement from a job I loved. Prayer and meditation is what kept me feeling strong throughout without having any direct knowledge from any religious system.

I don't think Obama will use religion in politics to get his agendas through. I think he will use knowledge that humantarian use when it comes to the welfare of life. In his first few days of office he has done some impressive work already that I find personally as good choices.

Use a positive emotion such as "Hope" and eliminate a negative emotion such as "paranoid" to feel better about Obama and his cabinet or there will never be Americans who will have the effort and audicity to try to make their country a better place for all to live in.

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Sat 01/24/09 09:01 AM
Then I certainly HOPE you are right, Smiless.. :smile:

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Sat 01/24/09 10:31 AM

Yes, there is a God and it's not Allah.

There is only ONE GOD...only one way to Him through JESUS CHRIST!


It really cracks me up at how people can become so passionate about supporting an ancient dogma that they clearly have no clue about.

What people don't seem to realize is that Allah and Jesus Christ are the same God. They grew from the same mythology. They are one in the same.

To spit on one is to spit on the other. laugh

And that's all these religions do is spit on each other.

What a disgusting state of affairs.

Would Obama be allowed to change his faith midway through his presidency?

Surely all humans are permitted to change their mind about religion. Christians all of other world are dropping out and finding more intelligent pictures of God.

If a president changed his faith midstream how would people view that I wonder.

Is a president immune to being human? huh

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Sat 01/24/09 10:38 AM
I don't know if Obama is Christian or not.:smile:

MirrorMirror's photo
Sat 01/24/09 10:38 AM

Then I certainly HOPE you are right, Smiless.. :smile:
bigsmile me2bigsmile

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Sat 01/24/09 10:40 AM

I don't know if Obama is Christian or not.:smile:


Cant you focus on how he runs this country? huh There are plenty of Christians in prison.

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Sat 01/24/09 10:43 AM


I don't know if Obama is Christian or not.:smile:


Cant you focus on how he runs this country? huh There are plenty of Christians in prison.
flowerforyou I agreeflowerforyou

bigsmile And I am starting to get sick of hearing the word "Christian".grumble

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Sat 01/24/09 11:10 AM


I don't know if Obama is Christian or not.:smile:


Cant you focus on how he runs this country? huh There are plenty of Christians in prison.


I have trouble focusing right now. I didn't put them in prison.

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Sat 01/24/09 11:11 AM



I don't know if Obama is Christian or not.:smile:


Cant you focus on how he runs this country? huh There are plenty of Christians in prison.
flowerforyou I agreeflowerforyou

bigsmile And I am starting to get sick of hearing the word "Christian".grumble


I apologize.

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Sat 01/24/09 11:14 AM



I don't know if Obama is Christian or not.:smile:


Cant you focus on how he runs this country? huh There are plenty of Christians in prison.


I have trouble focusing right now. I didn't put them in prison.


I never said you did. They put themselves there. I believe that humans are capable of being good in spite of being Christian.

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Sat 01/24/09 12:14 PM
I just wanted to quickly respond to the OP.

I was just responding to the thread asking if religion was a "social" phenomena.

I mentioned the harm that comes from social organized religions in today's societies. Obviously to be a social "club" there must be something by which its members can conclude they are of like mind.

This is EXACTLY the reason why it has been necessary for past and present religious social organizations to produce written documentation defining the membership. These are the "rules" that one must agree with, in order to be part of the club.

As boo2u has questioned, is it possible that a person with any belief in an Absolute creator could manipulate the masses of "social religious clubs" simply by constructing statement that may seem to coincide with all Chistian beliefs?

Yes, it is possible and the person need not really lie, just manipulate the words he uses.

A person is not born with any knowledge of a religious nature. They must be "taught" what is expected of them to believe in.

Since so many can be taught to think they have manifested a personal belief, then it falls in line that all those people would also believe that anyone else can be a believer of the same social religious club.

Humans are like that, social psychology has proven it in thousands of experiments. People naturally utilize self-serving bias. In this case the bias is that -- I believe it, therefore others must also believe it. It would not occur to them to imagine that their "self manifested personal belief" is not their own, nor does it occur to them that they could be manipulated through that belief.

Only Obama knows what he 'really' believes, but we all BELIEVE, the presidency was his goal, and we often do whatever is necessary to achieve a goal, especially if we envision that goal as the source from which good will come for many.

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Sat 01/24/09 12:34 PM




I don't know if Obama is Christian or not.:smile:


Cant you focus on how he runs this country? huh There are plenty of Christians in prison.


I have trouble focusing right now. I didn't put them in prison.


I never said you did. They put themselves there. I believe that humans are capable of being good in spite of being Christian.


I agree.