Topic: Do you think Jesus
Milesoftheusa's photo
Thu 01/29/09 05:06 PM
Edited by Milesoftheusa on Thu 01/29/09 05:08 PM



I am done....because people do not want the truth....Miles this is fine you live by God's word only....but God himself proclaimed his Son to be the Living Godk, and the only way is through Jesus Christ. The whole idea of what I wrote......my work as I am studying Acts right now is to show people that the mosiac law (Jewish tradition) although important is no ones way to salvation. And remember although the Jewish people were the chosen people of God they won't really truly know Christ until all other peoples of the planet have heard the word of Jesus Christ.....Hence the first and the last..


You talk about krisma not answering questions and she says she is a non believer.

Yet you claim you know the bible and when i ask a simple question you want to cut and paste out of a book that does not address the question either.

I know what I am talking about and you prove you do not by not having a clue what acts 21 20-36

Try doing what you preach. I always give answers and it does not come from any person..Shalom...Miles




I understand.. you have not even tred to answer my question because you would have to admit that what you have learned all your life was wrong.. Most people this is true. My sheep hear my voice and another they will not follow is the parable of conversion.

If you do not like it baffle them with BS is what I always heard.. Seems to be true all the time.

You like to keep saying i am wrong because i follow the law. The same one Yahshua followed.

He was our example. He gets impaled and chr-stians then trample on his sacrafice by saying what he did was useless.. Shalom..Miles



God Bless



Yahshua if God was God so he didn't follow it he was it. So again warped...you are......you are the worse of the false teachers my friend.....and fool some....but never me miles.









You talk about krisma not answering questions and she says she is a non believer.

Yet you claim you know the bible and when i ask a simple question you want to cut and paste out of a book that does not address the question either.

I know what I am talking about and you prove you do not by not having a clue what acts 21 20-36

Try doing what you preach. I always give answers and it does not come from any person..Shalom...Miles



Krimsa's photo
Thu 01/29/09 05:09 PM
You talk about krisma not answering questions and she says she is a non believer.


What? Who said I was "not answering a question?" huh


Milesoftheusa's photo
Thu 01/29/09 05:23 PM


Why was she not supposed to give the answer... ooohh the mystery deepens...



Because Krisma likes to believe or think she knows scripture but everytime I have asked her what it means....she cannot. She likes to takes bits and pieces and make it fit Krisma's way but that just can't happen. Because no matter what the Lord is with me people and he will always show me. So believe whatever gets your through the day....Do not ask unless you are truly seeking...if for fights...well you all have fun with that. I won't battle what I know to be truth....



This is the post i saw Krisma

Krimsa's photo
Thu 01/29/09 05:35 PM
Who said that? Deb? What specifc question was she asking me or just ranting in general? :tongue:

feralcatlady's photo
Thu 01/29/09 08:27 PM




I am done....because people do not want the truth....Miles this is fine you live by God's word only....but God himself proclaimed his Son to be the Living Godk, and the only way is through Jesus Christ. The whole idea of what I wrote......my work as I am studying Acts right now is to show people that the mosiac law (Jewish tradition) although important is no ones way to salvation. And remember although the Jewish people were the chosen people of God they won't really truly know Christ until all other peoples of the planet have heard the word of Jesus Christ.....Hence the first and the last..


You talk about krisma not answering questions and she says she is a non believer.

Yet you claim you know the bible and when i ask a simple question you want to cut and paste out of a book that does not address the question either.

I know what I am talking about and you prove you do not by not having a clue what acts 21 20-36

Try doing what you preach. I always give answers and it does not come from any person..Shalom...Miles




I understand.. you have not even tred to answer my question because you would have to admit that what you have learned all your life was wrong.. Most people this is true. My sheep hear my voice and another they will not follow is the parable of conversion.

If you do not like it baffle them with BS is what I always heard.. Seems to be true all the time.

You like to keep saying i am wrong because i follow the law. The same one Yahshua followed.

He was our example. He gets impaled and chr-stians then trample on his sacrafice by saying what he did was useless.. Shalom..Miles



God Bless



Yahshua if God was God so he didn't follow it he was it. So again warped...you are......you are the worse of the false teachers my friend.....and fool some....but never me miles.









You talk about krisma not answering questions and she says she is a non believer.

Yet you claim you know the bible and when i ask a simple question you want to cut and paste out of a book that does not address the question either.

I know what I am talking about and you prove you do not by not having a clue what acts 21 20-36

Try doing what you preach. I always give answers and it does not come from any person..Shalom...Miles







I answered the whole of chapter 21

so what you want it again....ok that is fine


They felt that Paul was saying that the Jews must give up their traditions and turn away from Moses and the Laws and to not have their children circumcised. Which is not the case so Paul joined their purification vows and did the traditional so that they would see there is no truth in Paul wanting to take tradition out of it, And that Paul was also living in obedience to the law. Then even though Paul was not coming from a place of disobedience the crowd stirred it up and made it look like Paul was being disobedient to God. Paul never was nor did he teach anyone to turn against the Jewish people but more for the Jewish people to understand what Jesus Christ was trying to teach that through him dying on the cross that all now were entitled to salvation...No longer was it just for the Jews.

They Jewish people wanted to kill an innocent man....just as the Jews had done to Jesus turning against him. Which of course Paul would gladly die for he knew that the teachings of Jesus were much more important....























feralcatlady's photo
Thu 01/29/09 09:04 PM

Who said that? Deb? What specifc question was she asking me or just ranting in general? :tongue:



Hello I asked you what it meant to you when God said that if Adam ate the fruit of the tree of knowledge and he died?


And so so many more Krisma....


And sorry miles but I not only answered your question but I have you the answers for all of Acts 21.....so please...

feralcatlady's photo
Thu 01/29/09 09:05 PM


The Book is inspired of God.....Do you think God would let a book be around for 2000 years that wasn't exactly what HE intended it to be...I think not.


it's not "God" keeping the book around. It's the people who accept the delusion of a God, and the people who not only accept the delusion, but also force feed it to everyone else. . .



Sorry darling I don't force feed anything to anyone...I answer the questions and if they are not done how you think they should be....well get over it.

Inkracer's photo
Thu 01/29/09 09:39 PM



The Book is inspired of God.....Do you think God would let a book be around for 2000 years that wasn't exactly what HE intended it to be...I think not.


it's not "God" keeping the book around. It's the people who accept the delusion of a God, and the people who not only accept the delusion, but also force feed it to everyone else. . .



Sorry darling I don't force feed anything to anyone...I answer the questions and if they are not done how you think they should be....well get over it.


I was not referring to you with the "force feed" statement. That was a statement based on society more than anyone here.

feralcatlady's photo
Thu 01/29/09 09:43 PM
awwwww ok well usually if quoting your talking to that person...and no problem doll.

Krimsa's photo
Thu 01/29/09 10:05 PM
Edited by Krimsa on Thu 01/29/09 10:11 PM


Who said that? Deb? What specifc question was she asking me or just ranting in general? :tongue:



Hello I asked you what it meant to you when God said that if Adam ate the fruit of the tree of knowledge and he died?


And so so many more Krisma....


And sorry miles but I not only answered your question but I have you the answers for all of Acts 21.....so please...


Deb I have NEVER once not answered ANY question you have put to me on this forum. I’ve answered this one about Adam several times and that is why I didn’t realize you were asking me yet again. I feel it SHOULD mean that he will actually die. I realize you seem to feel that it was a "spiritual death." That’s your own personal belief. If someone told me that by perpetrating a certain "crime" I would receive a death sentence, but then they allowed me to live another 930 years, I would really begin to question their capability to level punishment if they were not able to keep their word or enforce any kind of restriction of my behavior. I would probably continue to break laws in fact because I would assume that they lack the ability to uphold any sort of consequences.

Milesoftheusa's photo
Fri 01/30/09 03:53 AM
Edited by Milesoftheusa on Fri 01/30/09 03:54 AM





I am done....because people do not want the truth....Miles this is fine you live by God's word only....but God himself proclaimed his Son to be the Living Godk, and the only way is through Jesus Christ. The whole idea of what I wrote......my work as I am studying Acts right now is to show people that the mosiac law (Jewish tradition) although important is no ones way to salvation. And remember although the Jewish people were the chosen people of God they won't really truly know Christ until all other peoples of the planet have heard the word of Jesus Christ.....Hence the first and the last..


You talk about krisma not answering questions and she says she is a non believer.

Yet you claim you know the bible and when i ask a simple question you want to cut and paste out of a book that does not address the question either.

I know what I am talking about and you prove you do not by not having a clue what acts 21 20-36

Try doing what you preach. I always give answers and it does not come from any person..Shalom...Miles




I understand.. you have not even tred to answer my question because you would have to admit that what you have learned all your life was wrong.. Most people this is true. My sheep hear my voice and another they will not follow is the parable of conversion.

If you do not like it baffle them with BS is what I always heard.. Seems to be true all the time.

You like to keep saying i am wrong because i follow the law. The same one Yahshua followed.

He was our example. He gets impaled and chr-stians then trample on his sacrafice by saying what he did was useless.. Shalom..Miles



God Bless



Yahshua if God was God so he didn't follow it he was it. So again warped...you are......you are the worse of the false teachers my friend.....and fool some....but never me miles.









You talk about krisma not answering questions and she says she is a non believer.

Yet you claim you know the bible and when i ask a simple question you want to cut and paste out of a book that does not address the question either.

I know what I am talking about and you prove you do not by not having a clue what acts 21 20-36

Try doing what you preach. I always give answers and it does not come from any person..Shalom...Miles







I answered the whole of chapter 21

so what you want it again....ok that is fine


They felt that Paul was saying that the Jews must give up their traditions and turn away from Moses and the Laws and to not have their children circumcised. Which is not the case so Paul joined their purification vows and did the traditional so that they would see there is no truth in Paul wanting to take tradition out of it, And that Paul was also living in obedience to the law. Then even though Paul was not coming from a place of disobedience the crowd stirred it up and made it look like Paul was being disobedient to God. Paul never was nor did he teach anyone to turn against the Jewish people but more for the Jewish people to understand what Jesus Christ was trying to teach that through him dying on the cross that all now were entitled to salvation...No longer was it just for the Jews.

They Jewish people wanted to kill an innocent man....just as the Jews had done to Jesus turning against him. Which of course Paul would gladly die for he knew that the teachings of Jesus were much more important....



So what you are saying since the scriptures are for all believers the same. That Paul doing sacrafice for the end of a nazarite vow was perfectly ok.

I agree the temple was still standing. I have never heard that the disciples keeping the law was how it was.

Then when did law keeping stop.. Blessings...Miles




















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Fri 01/30/09 05:22 AM





Miles...When I became born again,

God forgave me and washed me clean......

and also filled me with the Holy Spirit.

I KNOW In WHOM I Trust and Beleive.

Without one teeeny weeny tiny bit of Doubt.

That's How Much I KNOW that I KNOW that I KNOW....
Jesus Christ is Lord!!!!
drinker:heart:flowerforyou

And No...Jesus does not mind your calling Him Yeshua...

but you have to STILL ask Him into yoor heart ,Miles...

as Your Personal Lord and Saviour Too .







The 3rd commandment and Yahshua's saving name says you can not be born again MS..Sorry...Miles


Miles...

Salvation is a Free Gift of Grace....

available for all...

and is not gonna be held back from someone

who doesn't say Yeshua instead of Jesus...

Have to go offline now, Miles:heart:






You know yeshua is a jewish superstionion of making sure they do not say the devine name.

The word clearly says thier is only 1 name by which man can be saved.. you might as well been saved by uncle bob..Shalom...Miles


MILES....God LOOKS UPON THE HEART....

AND KNOWS WHO WE MEAN...

WHEN WE ASK JESUS INTO OUR HEARTS....

OR YESHUA..OR YAHSHUA(IN HEBREW).....

CAUSE WE ARE ASKING GOD'S ONLY BEGOTTEN SON INTO OUR HEART....

AND GOD KNOWS THIS.....

HE KNOWS WHO WE MEAN....SEE MILES?

GOD KNOWS AND SEES THE HEART.....

AND WILL TURN NONE AWAY...

THAT CALL UPON JESUS....HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON....OUR SAVIOUR...

SO IT CAN BE IN ANY LANGUAGE.....

CAUSE GOD SEES THE INTENT OF THE HEART..

AND KNOWS IF WE ARE CALLING UPON HIS SON ,OR NOT.

MILES... GOD SEES AND KNOWS OUR HEART.



if one does not SEE HOW EACH IS A ONLY BEGOTTEN SON, then one is not saved yet from itself seeking to save itself, so has not lowered itself into hell, as ALL SAVED HAVE, to gain the 3-D glasses of sight that KNOW "EACH" IS A ONLY BEGOTTEN........

for god so loved the WORLD, and ONLY "THIS SIGHT OF THE HEART" WILL CARRY THE BOOTS INTO THE NEXT "WHOLE WORLD"........

so it looks like we two of here, THAT NEED A CLEASIN WASH THRU THE CAR WASH OF LUCIFEER, for the GREAT SATAN THE MIND to stop trying to figure out the mind of god...........

HOW does unconcitional love DEMAND one bow to ITSELF???

DEMAND ONE USE A "PROPER NAME"???

this in itself be the deception that has ensnared many unto following the "angel of light" once called satan"........

GODS NAME IS MORNINGSONG AND MILES, FOR MORNINGING SONG AND MILES???

if god created all, then only asking to see HOW ALL are from god, be the only request the REAL GOD OF ALL will even first answer........




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Fri 01/30/09 05:36 AM


I know the Christian answer feral for Christ sake. Dont you remember Tribo? You guys must have debated that topic for over 50 pages.


Christ had nothing to do with you not knowing...and why are you blaming a God you have no belief in...hmmmmm


she is only BLAMING THE FALSE GOD YOU SERVE, THE GOD OF SELF BELIEF OF SELF AS "IMAGE" OF GOD, when one has NOT THE SIGHT OF ANY REAL GOD, except one that MAN HAS MADE???

how does one take one sentence in a book, and use ANOTHER SENTENCE TO INTERPRET, then say HEAR YE, HEAR YE, this be the INTERPRETATION OF GOD???

just USING another sentence from SOMEWHERE ELSE, TO TELL A MEANING, is CHANGING THE MEANING???

THIS MAKE ONESELF GUILTY OF "ADDING" TO THE BOOK, SO INDEED, YOUR NAME SHALL BE REMOVED FROM THE BOOK OF LIFE FOR DOING WHAT YOUR OWN BOOK DECLARE AS BLASPHEME, AND FALL UNDER THE PENALTY OF THE SAME BOOK ONE ONLY SEEK TO MAKE ITSELF AS GREAT???

too bad girl......

guess you spun the dice, and it turned up 666 for you, and thumbs down to hell, where dark and ghostly demons and devils stab at you with pitchforks, and draw blood from you as great drop of blood.......

oh, but you are not afraid of the satan, thats right, so i am sure you will whoop the ole serpent with both hands tied behind your back, and a single roundhouse drop quick to the head with text, slaying for us all the old firey dragon religion.........






feralcatlady's photo
Fri 01/30/09 06:17 AM
Well this is a crock. I have asked you for you interpretation of scripture many many times....and how convenient that you skip those. My interpretation......along with millions and million if he lived longer obviously it was death in that sense. Remember God walked with Adam and Eve like if you were to come to my house or vise versa, so to be spiritually cut off from God...HUGE





Who said that? Deb? What specifc question was she asking me or just ranting in general? :tongue:



Hello I asked you what it meant to you when God said that if Adam ate the fruit of the tree of knowledge and he died?


And so so many more Krisma....


And sorry miles but I not only answered your question but I have you the answers for all of Acts 21.....so please...


Deb I have NEVER once not answered ANY question you have put to me on this forum. I’ve answered this one about Adam several times and that is why I didn’t realize you were asking me yet again. I feel it SHOULD mean that he will actually die. I realize you seem to feel that it was a "spiritual death." That’s your own personal belief. If someone told me that by perpetrating a certain "crime" I would receive a death sentence, but then they allowed me to live another 930 years, I would really begin to question their capability to level punishment if they were not able to keep their word or enforce any kind of restriction of my behavior. I would probably continue to break laws in fact because I would assume that they lack the ability to uphold any sort of consequences.

no photo
Fri 01/30/09 06:31 AM
As human beings we all want to be happy and free from misery.

We have learned that the key to happiness is inner peace.

The greatest obstacles to inner peace are disturbing emotions such as anger and attachment, fear and suspicion, while love and compassion, a sense of universal responsibility are the sources of peace and happiness.

Buddha, Jesus, Ghandi, Martin Luther King Jr., Nelson Mandela


feralcatlady's photo
Fri 01/30/09 06:51 AM
I agree and have yours without putting down anothers. Or assuming big time that they are filling a void....

davidben1's photo
Fri 01/30/09 06:53 AM
Edited by davidben1 on Fri 01/30/09 07:32 AM

As human beings we all want to be happy and free from misery.

We have learned that the key to happiness is inner peace.

The greatest obstacles to inner peace are disturbing emotions such as anger and attachment, fear and suspicion, while love and compassion, a sense of universal responsibility are the sources of peace and happiness.

Buddha, Jesus, Ghandi, Martin Luther King Jr., Nelson Mandela




i dispute that smiles.......

EACH OF THESE USED ANGER AND WRATH TO BUILD LOVE???

it is only believing HALF THE HUMAN EMOTIONS ARE OF GOD, that CREATE SATAN AND ALL THINGS HUMANITY DOES NOT LIKE???

if GOD MADE ALL, then ALL IS OF GOD???

but, if within, ONE DOES NOT ACCEPT ITSELF, and seek a "will to be only good", then self is dragged into the lair of the great lion the mind, that devoure by causing the feet to run after trying to cleanse itself of THE EMOTIONS INSTILLED WITHIN BY IT'S OWN CREATOR, as if self did not create self, THEN TO FIRST BELIEVE SELF WAS CREATED IN ANYWAY DEFECTIVE OR NOT GOOD, MAKE THE BELIEVE OF EVIL, WHICH IS THEN WHAT CREATE SUCH???

those that preach a text, hear not the words within it, that "satan" come as the angel of LIGHT, THAT CAUSE THE MIND TO SEEK THINGS OF LIGHT, and what more be light than the thinking that KINDNESS AND COMPASSION AND LONG SUFFERING, may exist without FIRST SEEING HOW ALL ANGER AND WRATH AND JUSTICE is as of god as well???

if one believe not in god, then this is great, but if one believe in god as light, then this divide peoples by allowing the mind to access ALL IT MEET into two categories, AS GOOD AND EVIL, based on ACTIONS???

is this unconditional love that has no conditions???

nay, i would swear it is not........


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Fri 01/30/09 07:06 AM
To live means to suffer, because the human nature is not perfect and neither is the world we live in.

During our lifetime, we inevitably have to endure physical suffering such as pain, sickness, injury, tiredness, old age, and eventually death; and we have to endure psychological suffering like sadness, fear, frustration, disappointment, and depression.

Although there are different degrees of suffering and there are also positive experiences in life that we perceive as the opposite of suffering, such as ease, comfort and happiness, life in its totality is imperfect and incomplete, because our world is subject to impermanence.

This means we are never able to keep permanently what we strive for, and just as happy moments pass by, we ourselves and our loved ones will pass away one day, too.

The origin of suffering is attachment to transient things and the ignorance thereof.

Transient things do not only include the physical objects that surround us, but also ideas, and -in a greater sense- all objects of our perception.

Ignorance is the lack of understanding of how our mind is attached to impermanent things.

The reasons for suffering are desire, passion, ardour, pursuit of wealth and prestige, striving for fame and popularity, or in short: craving and clinging.

Because the objects of our attachment are transient, their loss is inevitable, thus suffering will necessarily follow.

Objects of attachment also include the idea of a "self" which is a delusion, because there is no abiding self.

What we call "self" is just an imagined entity, and we are merely a part of the ceaseless becoming of the universe.

The cessation of suffering can be attained through nirodha.

Nirodha means the unmaking of sensual craving and conceptual attachment.

The third noble truth expresses the idea that suffering can be ended by attaining dispassion.

Nirodha extinguishes all forms of clinging and attachment.

This means that suffering can be overcome through human activity, simply by removing the cause of suffering.

Attaining and perfecting dispassion is a process of many levels that ultimately results in the state of Nirvana.

Nirvana means freedom from all worries, troubles, complexes, fabrications and ideas. Nirvana is not comprehensible for those who have not attained it.

There is a path to the end of suffering - a gradual path of self-improvement, which is described more detailed in the Eightfold Path.

It is the middle way between the two extremes of excessive self-indulgence (hedonism) and excessive self-mortification (asceticism); and it leads to the end of the cycle of rebirth.

The latter quality discerns it from other paths which are merely "wandering on the wheel of becoming", because these do not have a final object.

The path to the end of suffering can extend over many lifetimes, throughout which every individual rebirth is subject to karmic conditioning.

Craving, ignorance, delusions, and its effects will disappear gradually, as progress is made on the path.


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Fri 01/30/09 07:18 AM
no goodness, no nirvan, no utopia, no heaven, no paradise, no love, no peace, come to any on the earth in these days less it first be anything that recieve ALL HUMAN EMOTIONS AS GOD......

for what take away anger, take away hate, take away pain, take away suffering, SINCE ALL THESE ARE CAUSED BY "FALSE BELIEF"???

only what be stronger and greater than the "mind power", that hold to branches and leaves of goodness as divinity, and these are cut from the tree and burnt in the fire, that consume to utter ashes, then real righteoussness arise from the ashes, having healing in it's wings, and healing come only form the surgeon with the sharpest sword, that divide asunder the minds belief from the pure heart, that was entangled with definitions only seen and heard while mortal......

but the great surgeon cut deep, and to the wucik of the bone, and sear as with a hot iron the dead words of self righteoussness that inflict that soul unto disease that is without cure from itself, and hast not one chance to life, less swift anger free from it's own hostility......

peace

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Fri 01/30/09 07:39 AM



Who said that? Deb? What specifc question was she asking me or just ranting in general? :tongue:



Hello I asked you what it meant to you when God said that if Adam ate the fruit of the tree of knowledge and he died?


And so so many more Krisma....


And sorry miles but I not only answered your question but I have you the answers for all of Acts 21.....so please...


Deb I have NEVER once not answered ANY question you have put to me on this forum. I’ve answered this one about Adam several times and that is why I didn’t realize you were asking me yet again. I feel it SHOULD mean that he will actually die. I realize you seem to feel that it was a "spiritual death." That’s your own personal belief. If someone told me that by perpetrating a certain "crime" I would receive a death sentence, but then they allowed me to live another 930 years, I would really begin to question their capability to level punishment if they were not able to keep their word or enforce any kind of restriction of my behavior. I would probably continue to break laws in fact because I would assume that they lack the ability to uphold any sort of consequences.


yea, and it was also written, ANY THAT LIVE BY THE LAW OF THE BOOK, SHALL DIE BY THE LAW OF THE SAME BOOK???

the old testemant has not even begun yet to begin, as the age of aquarious be the days of now, as one's walk into a higher realm of life, that exist for a thousand years, and rid the world of the sight of evil, with the cleansing of evil sight of the mind, the great religious minds that that devour the tiny and weak, the dragon that create evil by believing in IT WITH FEAR, SO MAKE EVIL IT'S GOD.........

if there be any sight of any real love, it has not sight of what is not love, as ALL IS LOVE, before love is birthed within that pass beyond human perceptions of love, which be most only created out of WHAT SELF WANTED FOR ITSELF, so this became it's own definition of love, and iut served and worshipped it as god, seeing not that this be most the very description of satan and lucifer........