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Acts and what does it represent, written by Luke in or around 68 A.D. Acts of Peter & Paul Significantly, What is the main message of Acts Ressurected Savior Jesus Christ And the prophecy of the Holy Spirit. Now if you don’t believe in Jesus Christ Miles then how do you possible understand the meaning of Acts. It is Christ’s Commission to all not just the Jews. Do you not know the witnesses are around today spreading the Gospel. Do I personally not believe the laws are important of course not. Those are God’s laws but through Christ it takes it away from just the Jews because through Christ any and all can have salvation and everlasting life. If we just lived by the OT law then only the Jews would. I am a pentecostal Christian meaning that I do believe in the gifts of the Lord. And not because of anyone telling me it is so, but rather me being blessed with the Holy Spirit. Let’s just do Acts 2 and see what you feel the meaning is? And if you believe only in the first 5 books then can you speak at all of ACTS....hmmmmmm Like I said Miles I have no problem with you believing as you wish, but to say that my Lord Jesus Christ was a deceiver is just in my eyes wrong and shows the closed minds of those who only believe in the OT. Now something else you said Miles #1 If Christ had not laid down his life for “all” people what do you think that God would of down with a nation out of control once again? And please please understand that the laws were their for a reason to show us as humans what not to do, as the NT was there to show us how to live. They are both equally important and in no way are saying that God made a mistake. God doesn’t make mistakes only people do. Also Miles look at the OT and the prophecy of the coming of Christ that right their shows you that “ IT IS SO” Because God said so and the writers of the Bible prophesized it long before it happened. Now For The Messianic Prophecy The Messiah will be the offspring (descendant) of the woman (Eve) Genesis 3:15 Galatians 4:4 The Messiah will be a descendant of Abraham, through whom everyone on earth will be blessed Genesis 12:3; 18:18 Acts 3:25,26 The Messiah will be a descendant of Judah Genesis 49:10 Matthew 1:2 and Luke 3:33 The Messiah will be a prophet like Moses Deuteronomy 18:15-19 Acts 3:22,23 The Messiah will be the Son of God Psalm 2:7 Matthew 3:17; Mark 1:11; Luke 3:22 The Messiah will be raised from the dead (resurrected) Psalm 16:10,11 Matthew 28:5-9; Mark 16:6; Luke 24:4-7; John 20:11-16; Acts 1:3 and 2:32 The Messiah crucifixion experience Psalm 22 (11 prophecies—not all here) Matthew 27:34-50 and John 19:17-30 The Messiah will be sneered at and mocked Psalm 22:7 Luke 23:11,35-39 The Messiah will be pierced through hands and feet Psalm 22:16 Luke 23:33 and 24:36-39; John 19:18 and 20:19-20,24-27 The Messiah’s bones will not be broken (a person’s legs were usually broken after being crucified to speed up their death) Psalm 22:17 and 34:20 John 19:31-33,36 Men Will Gamble for the Messiah’s clothing Psalm 22:18 Matthew 27:35; Mark 15:24; Luke 23:34; John 19:23,24 The Messiah will accused by false witnesses Psalm 35:11 Matthew 26:59,60 and Mark 14:56,57 The Messiah will be hated without a cause Psalm 35:19 and 69:4 John 15:23-25 The Messiah will be betrayed by a friend Psalm 41:9 John 13:18,21 The Messiah will ascend to heaven (at the right hand of God) Psalm 68:18 Luke 24:51; Acts 1:9; 2:33-35; 3:20-21; 5:31,32; 7:55-56; Romans 8:34; Ephesians 1:20,21; Colossians 3:1; Hebrews 1:3; 8:1; 10:12; 12:2; 1 Pet 3:22 . . . sorry, I got carried away! The Messiah will be given vinegar and gall to drink Psalm 69:21 Matthew 27:34; Mark 15:23; John 19:29,30 Great kings will pay homage and tribute to the Messiah Psalm 72:10,11 Matthew 2:1-11 The Messiah is a “stone the builders rejected” who will become the “head cornerstone” Psalm 118:22,23 and Isaiah 28:16 Matthew 21:42,43; Acts 4:11; Ephesians 2:20; 1 Peter 2:6-8 The Messiah will be a descendant of David Psalm 132:11 and Jeremiah 23:5,6; 33:15,16 Luke 1:32,33 The Messiah will be a born of a virgin Isaiah 7:14 Matthew 1:18-25 and Luke 1:26-35 I think you get the gest Miles. So all through the OT the coming of the Messiah (JESUS CHRIST) I could of listed many many more. Many people who do not believe in the Bible say this. However, manuscripts have been found that confirm that these various prophecies were written down 400-1,000 years before they actually occurred. The discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls put to rest most of such idle talk. Were These Originally Intended to Be Messianic Prophecies? Some of the prophecies occur as part of the text of a story. So, a natural question would be, “How do you know these are Messianic prophecies? Couldn’t someone have read these texts after Jesus came along and claimed they are Messianic prophecies?” We now know that Jesus accomplished one goal (preaching the “good news” and becoming the sacrifice that saves us) when He came to Earth, told everyone God’s new plan of salvation, and was crucified. He will fulfill the other goal (being our Savior and Lord, ruling at God’s right hand, and taking vengeance on the people who do not follow God) when He comes back to Earth (often called Jesus’ “second coming”). You will notice that many of the prophecies are not under human control. In other words, if someone tried to fulfill all of them, how would they arrange to be (1) born in Bethlehem (2) with a virgin for a mother? Already they would have a problem—and these are only two prophecies. Even a casual glance through this list reveals that a person could not fulfill them by their own efforts. There are many people that have claimed to be the Messiah (or a similar title that they gave themselves like “God’s Prophet”). Some of them founded false religions and cults, and have many followers. Anyone who has read the Bible expected to see them appear. Two thousand years ago, Jesus Himself said there would be many false Messiahs and prophets that follow him (Matthew 7:15; Matthew 24:11; Matthew 24:23-25; Mark 13:21-23). Examine these other “prophets” yourself. Was their appearance clearly predicted in the Bible? Did they fulfill all the messianic prophecies? The answer is obvious—none of them even came close. It is true that the Jews, God’s chosen people, are still waiting for their Messiah. However, not recognizing their own Messiah is part of God’s plan (Romans 11:25-27) that allows everyone else be saved (Joel 2:32; Romans 10:13). The Bible clearly states that “those who are first will be last” (Matthew 19:30 and 20:16, Mark 10:31, and Luke 13:30). The Jews were the first of God’s people, but they are kept unaware of their own Messiah until everyone on the earth hears about Jesus Christ. This is good news, since everyone gets a chance to accept the Messiah as their Savior and go to heaven. Once that happens, the remaining followers of Judaism will realize that Jesus was the Messiah. At that time, Jesus will return to the earth, bringing those who accept Him as their Savior to heaven. Those who do not accept Him will face God in judgment and be cast into the lake of fire (hell). There is no question that these many prophecies prove that Jesus is the one and only Messiah. Since you now have proof that Jesus is the promised Messiah who provides a way for us to go to heaven. Jehovah A name of God, in the Old Testament, a rendering of the ineffable name, in the Hebrew Scriptures. Jehovah is another word for God not Jesus Christ. The Torah or Tora The Torah is also known as the Chumash, Pentateuch or Five Books of Moses. Which yes are important but it is not the whole story…..Do you not think that God is working now…And if the mosiac law was all there was to it….Then where would that leave all the people of this planet Miles. Do you know all the 614 Laws Miles. This does not at all take away from what it is…..It’s just that for me there is so so so much more. So then I have to say to myself, “self who’s eyes are closed and who ears are closed. Your’s Miles. God Bless |
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yes i believe that he does a great job mowin the lawn n cut bushes
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David
Sound dumb huh.....well I would say that at least 99.9% of the people at least understand what I am saying David. As with you they clearly do not.....a goddess no and trust me david satan is very real but this is the ticket....Christ is much much more powerful then satan and yes satan is reeking havok on earth right now, and does satan want me...oh yea but will he ultamately get me...NEVER Because Jesus is my Savior, my Rock. Does this mean I am sinless no.....and if I said yes or anyone does then they are liers. Can satan have a stronghold on David? what do you think? |
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Im more POWERFUL than Jesus N GOD!!! IM LORD PSYCHO!!!! muahahahahahahahaha!!!!
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David.....
Oh so so delusional my friend. Get a clue sweet man. Jesus died so all could have everlasting life. Now I look at it this way. Your born, you go to school, your maybe or maybe not get a degree and go to work. You may or may not raise a family live and then die. Do you honestly believe that is all there is to it.......pfffftttttt well sorry but I do not. And just again FYI because it seems to be key with you. Jesus died and took "Our" sins and our burdens not me never claimed it, never said it. |
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Jesus told me to say Hi to all of u!!!
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Miles: Acts and what does it represent, written by Luke in or around 68 A.D. Acts of Peter & Paul Significantly, What is the main message of Acts Ressurected Savior Jesus Christ And the prophecy of the Holy Spirit. Now if you don’t believe in Jesus Christ Miles then how do you possible understand the meaning of Acts. It is Christ’s Commission to all not just the Jews. Do you not know the witnesses are around today spreading the Gospel. Do I personally not believe the laws are important of course not. Those are God’s laws but through Christ it takes it away from just the Jews because through Christ any and all can have salvation and everlasting life. If we just lived by the OT law then only the Jews would. I am a pentecostal Christian meaning that I do believe in the gifts of the Lord. And not because of anyone telling me it is so, but rather me being blessed with the Holy Spirit. Let’s just do Acts 2 and see what you feel the meaning is? And if you believe only in the first 5 books then can you speak at all of ACTS....hmmmmmm Like I said Miles I have no problem with you believing as you wish, but to say that my Lord Jesus Christ was a deceiver is just in my eyes wrong and shows the closed minds of those who only believe in the OT. Now something else you said Miles #1 If Christ had not laid down his life for “all” people what do you think that God would of down with a nation out of control once again? And please please understand that the laws were their for a reason to show us as humans what not to do, as the NT was there to show us how to live. They are both equally important and in no way are saying that God made a mistake. God doesn’t make mistakes only people do. Also Miles look at the OT and the prophecy of the coming of Christ that right their shows you that “ IT IS SO” Because God said so and the writers of the Bible prophesized it long before it happened. Now For The Messianic Prophecy The Messiah will be the offspring (descendant) of the woman (Eve) Genesis 3:15 Galatians 4:4 The Messiah will be a descendant of Abraham, through whom everyone on earth will be blessed Genesis 12:3; 18:18 Acts 3:25,26 The Messiah will be a descendant of Judah Genesis 49:10 Matthew 1:2 and Luke 3:33 The Messiah will be a prophet like Moses Deuteronomy 18:15-19 Acts 3:22,23 The Messiah will be the Son of God Psalm 2:7 Matthew 3:17; Mark 1:11; Luke 3:22 The Messiah will be raised from the dead (resurrected) Psalm 16:10,11 Matthew 28:5-9; Mark 16:6; Luke 24:4-7; John 20:11-16; Acts 1:3 and 2:32 The Messiah crucifixion experience Psalm 22 (11 prophecies—not all here) Matthew 27:34-50 and John 19:17-30 The Messiah will be sneered at and mocked Psalm 22:7 Luke 23:11,35-39 The Messiah will be pierced through hands and feet Psalm 22:16 Luke 23:33 and 24:36-39; John 19:18 and 20:19-20,24-27 The Messiah’s bones will not be broken (a person’s legs were usually broken after being crucified to speed up their death) Psalm 22:17 and 34:20 John 19:31-33,36 Men Will Gamble for the Messiah’s clothing Psalm 22:18 Matthew 27:35; Mark 15:24; Luke 23:34; John 19:23,24 The Messiah will accused by false witnesses Psalm 35:11 Matthew 26:59,60 and Mark 14:56,57 The Messiah will be hated without a cause Psalm 35:19 and 69:4 John 15:23-25 The Messiah will be betrayed by a friend Psalm 41:9 John 13:18,21 The Messiah will ascend to heaven (at the right hand of God) Psalm 68:18 Luke 24:51; Acts 1:9; 2:33-35; 3:20-21; 5:31,32; 7:55-56; Romans 8:34; Ephesians 1:20,21; Colossians 3:1; Hebrews 1:3; 8:1; 10:12; 12:2; 1 Pet 3:22 . . . sorry, I got carried away! The Messiah will be given vinegar and gall to drink Psalm 69:21 Matthew 27:34; Mark 15:23; John 19:29,30 Great kings will pay homage and tribute to the Messiah Psalm 72:10,11 Matthew 2:1-11 The Messiah is a “stone the builders rejected” who will become the “head cornerstone” Psalm 118:22,23 and Isaiah 28:16 Matthew 21:42,43; Acts 4:11; Ephesians 2:20; 1 Peter 2:6-8 The Messiah will be a descendant of David Psalm 132:11 and Jeremiah 23:5,6; 33:15,16 Luke 1:32,33 The Messiah will be a born of a virgin Isaiah 7:14 Matthew 1:18-25 and Luke 1:26-35 I think you get the gest Miles. So all through the OT the coming of the Messiah (JESUS CHRIST) I could of listed many many more. Many people who do not believe in the Bible say this. However, manuscripts have been found that confirm that these various prophecies were written down 400-1,000 years before they actually occurred. The discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls put to rest most of such idle talk. Were These Originally Intended to Be Messianic Prophecies? Some of the prophecies occur as part of the text of a story. So, a natural question would be, “How do you know these are Messianic prophecies? Couldn’t someone have read these texts after Jesus came along and claimed they are Messianic prophecies?” We now know that Jesus accomplished one goal (preaching the “good news” and becoming the sacrifice that saves us) when He came to Earth, told everyone God’s new plan of salvation, and was crucified. He will fulfill the other goal (being our Savior and Lord, ruling at God’s right hand, and taking vengeance on the people who do not follow God) when He comes back to Earth (often called Jesus’ “second coming”). You will notice that many of the prophecies are not under human control. In other words, if someone tried to fulfill all of them, how would they arrange to be (1) born in Bethlehem (2) with a virgin for a mother? Already they would have a problem—and these are only two prophecies. Even a casual glance through this list reveals that a person could not fulfill them by their own efforts. There are many people that have claimed to be the Messiah (or a similar title that they gave themselves like “God’s Prophet”). Some of them founded false religions and cults, and have many followers. Anyone who has read the Bible expected to see them appear. Two thousand years ago, Jesus Himself said there would be many false Messiahs and prophets that follow him (Matthew 7:15; Matthew 24:11; Matthew 24:23-25; Mark 13:21-23). Examine these other “prophets” yourself. Was their appearance clearly predicted in the Bible? Did they fulfill all the messianic prophecies? The answer is obvious—none of them even came close. It is true that the Jews, God’s chosen people, are still waiting for their Messiah. However, not recognizing their own Messiah is part of God’s plan (Romans 11:25-27) that allows everyone else be saved (Joel 2:32; Romans 10:13). The Bible clearly states that “those who are first will be last” (Matthew 19:30 and 20:16, Mark 10:31, and Luke 13:30). The Jews were the first of God’s people, but they are kept unaware of their own Messiah until everyone on the earth hears about Jesus Christ. This is good news, since everyone gets a chance to accept the Messiah as their Savior and go to heaven. Once that happens, the remaining followers of Judaism will realize that Jesus was the Messiah. At that time, Jesus will return to the earth, bringing those who accept Him as their Savior to heaven. Those who do not accept Him will face God in judgment and be cast into the lake of fire (hell). There is no question that these many prophecies prove that Jesus is the one and only Messiah. Since you now have proof that Jesus is the promised Messiah who provides a way for us to go to heaven. Jehovah A name of God, in the Old Testament, a rendering of the ineffable name, in the Hebrew Scriptures. Jehovah is another word for God not Jesus Christ. The Torah or Tora The Torah is also known as the Chumash, Pentateuch or Five Books of Moses. Which yes are important but it is not the whole story…..Do you not think that God is working now…And if the mosiac law was all there was to it….Then where would that leave all the people of this planet Miles. Do you know all the 614 Laws Miles. This does not at all take away from what it is…..It’s just that for me there is so so so much more. So then I have to say to myself, “self who’s eyes are closed and who ears are closed. Your’s Miles. God Bless You know what happens when you really do not know the scriptures is you find others books and quote from them.. Books of men not Yahweh. I have never said that the Messiah Yahshua was not the promiced messiah. I have not said I do not believe what is written in what you call the new testament. I call the whole book the Scriptures and thier is no where where you will find that is not what It has been called by the prophets and Disciples. Your notion of old and new is a false pretence to confuse the people into thinking thier is something old. You try to explain away when Yahshua said the Law and Prophets will always be. He amplified the Law you do what these scriptures say.. Heb 10:26-31 For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, 27 but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries. 28 Anyone who has rejected Moses' law dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. 29 Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of Yahweh underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace ? 30 For we know Him who said, "Vengeance is Mine, I will repay," says Yahweh. And again, "Yahweh will judge His people." 31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living Elohim. NKJV What have you done to the Spirit of Grace by your words? What is sin? What ios from the beginning we have heard? 1 John 2:1-10 My little children, these things I write to you, that ye may not sin: and if any one may sin, an advocate we have with the Father, Yahshua our Messiah, a righteous one, 2 and he — he is a propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only, but also for the whole world, 3 and in this we know that we have known him, if his commands we may keep; 4 he who is saying, 'I have known him,' and his command is not keeping, a liar he is, and in him the truth is not; 5 and whoever may keep his word, truly in him the love of Yahweh hath been perfected; in this we know that in him we are. 6 He who is saying in him he doth remain, ought according as he walked also himself so to walk. 7 Brethren, a new command I write not to you, but an old command, that ye had from the beginning — the old command is the word that ye heard from the beginning; 8 again, a new command I write to you, which thing is true in him and in you, because the darkness doth pass away, and the true light doth now shine; 9 he who is saying, in the light he is, and his brother is hating, in the darkness he is till now; 10 he who is loving his brother, in the light he doth remain, and a stumbling-block in him there is not; YLT What is our schoolmaster? Gal 3:23-25 23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. 24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Messiah, that we might be justified by faith. 25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster KJV You take this to mean no law. It is not. This is saying that it is now in our hearts and minds as prophicied by Jeremiah. Heb 8:9-11 9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith Yahweh. 10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith Yahweh; I will put my laws into their mind , and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a Elohim, and they shall be to me a people: 11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know Yahweh: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest. KJV What happened on pentecost? Acts 2:1-13 :1 And in the day of the Pentecost being fulfilled, they were all with one accord at the same place, 2 and there came suddenly out of the heaven a sound as of a bearing violent breath, and it filled all the house where they were sitting, 3 and there appeared to them divided tongues, as it were of fire; it sat also upon each one of them, 4 and they were all filled with the Holy Spirit, and began to speak with other tongues, according as the Spirit was giving them to declare. 5 And there were dwelling in Jerusalem Jews, devout men from every nation of those under the heaven, 6 and the rumour of this having come, the multitude came together, and was confounded, because they were each one hearing them speaking in his proper dialect, 7 and they were all amazed, and did wonder, saying one unto another, 'Lo, are not all these who are speaking Galileans? 8 and how do we hear, each in our proper dialect, in which we were born? 9 Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and those dwelling in Mesopotamia, in Judea also, and Cappadocia, Pontus, and Asia, 10 Phrygia also, and Pamphylia, Egypt, and the parts of Libya, that [are] along Cyrene, and the strangers of Rome, both Jews and proselytes, 11 Cretes and Arabians, we did hear them speaking in our tongues the great things of Elohim.' 12 And they were all amazed, and were in doubt, saying one unto another, 'What would this wish to be?' 13 and others mocking said, — 'They are full of sweet wine;' YLT Why and what did they hear? The wonderful works of Yahweh. In thier own language.. Why? Rom 10:16-17 16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Isaiah says, "Yahweh, who has believed our report?" 17 So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of Elohim. The burning Bush the fire of Yahweh speaking with zeal the wonderful works of Yahweh. I am sure you think this was some strange tongue it was proof of the 3rd Temple being built as the 2nd was in 2Chron 5 is exactly the same thing happened why? Acts 1:15 15 And in these days, Peter having risen up in the midst of the disciples, said, (the multitude also of the names at the same place was, as it were, an hundred and twenty,) YLT NKJV 120 men were thier. The consecrating of the temple before this one. 2 Chron 5:10-6:1 10 There is nothing in the ark but the two tables that Moses gave in Horeb, where Yahweh covenanted with the sons of Israel, in their going out from Egypt. 11 And it cometh to pass, in the going out of the priests from the sanctuary — for all the priests who are present have sanctified themselves, there is none to watch by courses, 12 and the Levites, the singers, to all of them, to Asaph, to Heman, to Jeduthun, and to their sons, and to their brethren, clothed in white linen, with cymbals, and with psalteries, and harps, are standing on the east of the altar, and with them priests, to a hundred and twenty, blowing with trumpets — 13 yea, it cometh to pass, as one [are] trumpeters and singers, to sound — one voice — to praise and to give thanks to Yahweh, and at the lifting up of the sound with trumpets, and with cymbals, and with instruments of song, and at giving praise to Yahweh, for good, for to the age [is] His kindness, that the house is filled with a cloud — the house of Yahweh, 14 and the priests have not been able to stand to minister from the presence of the cloud, for the honour of Yahweh hath filled the house of Elohim. YLT 120 priests just as thier were 120 with tongues of fire standing on the east of the altar, and with them priests, to a hundred and twenty, blowing with trumpets — The Trump of Yahweh Blew that day. And you trample it with tongues of Devils. We are priests. Rev 1:5-6 To Him who loved us and washed us from our sins in His own blood, 6 and has made us kings and priests to His Elohim and Father, to Him be glory and dominion forever and ever. Amen. NKJV And peter.. 1 Peter 2:9 9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light: KJV Acts was the Temple made without hands our bodies with us as priests ministering and keeping what has always been in the temple the Law. I could go on and on but will leave you with a prophecy about demons coming in the last days mocking Yahweh and what they do. Isa 28:9-15 9 "Whom will he teach knowledge? And whom will he make to understand the message? Those just weaned from milk? Those just drawn from the breasts? 10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept, Line upon line, line upon line, Here a little, there a little." 11 For with stammering lips and another tongue He will speak to this people, 12 To whom He said, "This is the rest with which You may cause the weary to rest," And, "This is the refreshing"; Yet they would not hear. 13 But the word of Yahweh was to them, "Precept upon precept, precept upon precept, Line upon line, line upon line, Here a little, there a little," That they might go and fall backward, and be broken And snared and caught. 14 Therefore hear the word of Yahweh, you scornful men, Who rule this people who are in Jerusalem, 15 Because you have said, "We have made a covenant with death, And with Sheol we are in agreement. When the overflowing scourge passes through, It will not come to us, For we have made lies our refuge, And under falsehood we have hidden ourselves." NKJV I would think long and hard about Isaiah's prophecy because it started about 100 years agao.. Shalom...Miles |
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I get the impression the Born Again set does not even want to discuss the OT because it is embarrassing to them, all of the stoning and atrocities requested by god. They just want to start with the NT and Jesus but of course that’s all second hand account.
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David Sound dumb huh.....well I would say that at least 99.9% of the people at least understand what I am saying David. As with you they clearly do not.....a goddess no and trust me david satan is very real but this is the ticket....Christ is much much more powerful then satan and yes satan is reeking havok on earth right now, and does satan want me...oh yea but will he ultamately get me...NEVER Because Jesus is my Savior, my Rock. Does this mean I am sinless no.....and if I said yes or anyone does then they are liers. Can satan have a stronghold on David? what do you think? if you are of god, then you are a child god? have you become a adult god yet? to a child god, god is father, to a adult god, god is friend....... if god is a friend to all, then he is friends with god and satan? satan was caught once in your god handbook as sitting at the feet of god, and GOD IN YOUR BOOK HATH NO PART WITH EVIL OR SIN? how be this so? satan was said to be the great adversary, the devil the lion that devour whom it may at will? but as well it did it not say to agree with thine adversary quickly, so then WHO be satan? to you then I AM AS SATAN, to many others, just I AM.......... |
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Miles:
Well if your going to get technical on what names that Christ can go by....please there are many. And if you are going to say that the Jesus Christ I believe in I am deceived please explain that further. Because I am under the impression that you believe in God and His Son although sometimes not... If I am breaking it down into the Old and New Testament there is good reason for this. There are many Jews of today live by the Old Testament and do not believe in the New Testament and that Miles is where I was coming from. I don't care what religion you are, but I would like a clearer picture on exactly what it is you believe....because it seems to me one minute you don't believe in Christ or whatever you want to call him..and the next you are telling me you do. Now I know for me their is no doubt even in your mind what it is I believe...But I am constantly for all of you trying to fit the pieces of the puzzle together to understand for me "What you do believe". I also call The Bible the Scriptures. So again misunderstand on where exactly your coming from Miles. See this is what your not getting Miles I totally believe in the scriptures whether it is Old Testament Law or New Testament. Like I said OT was the laws and NT teaches how to live. So again if you are judging me by putting up Hebrews 10:26-31 again you better make sure before you cast that stone Miles. See Miles this is where we have the disagreement...We are saved by faith and grace because of Jesus Christ or Yahweh in your case not the laws. Now again Miles you can quote scripture after scripture. When I asked what Acts meant to you...That is what I meant...I did not say Miles put up the scriptures of Acts for me again. The reason is because it is one thing to quote scriptures it is another to understand it. Acts is an Historical orderly account of the Commission of Christ for all to go and be witnesses to him to the ends of the earth. And it is the start of the Church.......Does this include us? Are we to be witnesses to Jesus Christ? |
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Davidben
What's with the superlong post? Are you deliberately posting long to deter some of us from reading your post and its entirety thus preventing us from capturing the essence of what you are communicating? Why would anyone do this? Please shorten your post. It does not have to be so wordy. we get it. you have a whole lot to say. be easy on your readers. |
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I get the impression the Born Again set does not even want to discuss the OT because it is embarrassing to them, all of the stoning and atrocities requested by god. They just want to start with the NT and Jesus but of course that’s all second hand account. I agree |
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Wed 01/28/09 03:23 PM
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Well you impression is wrong.....I will discuss OT anytime. And again look at all the prophecy in the OT of Jesus so second hand I think not.
I get the impression the Born Again set does not even want to discuss the OT because it is embarrassing to them, all of the stoning and atrocities requested by god. They just want to start with the NT and Jesus but of course that’s all second hand account. |
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Krimsa
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Wed 01/28/09 03:39 PM
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Well you impression is wrong.....I will discuss OT anytime. And again look at all the prophecy in the OT of Jesus so second hand I think not.
Lighten up Feral. I’m not accusing any one individual of anything. It's just that I keep hearing crap like "there were no Christians in the OT" and that was "Jewish law". It was the same Yahweh in the OT as it is in the latter part of the bible so that just doesn’t make sense at all. It speaks of creation in Genesis and that is the very start of the cannon. That was not another god. It was Yahweh. The same Yahweh that ordered the stonings and every other atrocity in the OT. None of that prophecy malarkey is accurate. But the end of all things is at hand. 1 Peter 4:7 |
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Well first off Krisma I am fine and dandy awful forward of you to think any Christian won't discuss Old Testament. They don't use Christians in the OT they are Gentiles. And yes again all over the place. Gentiles were not allowed into Jewish Temples. And when they speak of the Messiah, Jesus Christ and all the name Jesus had.
Abraham’s Seed (Genesis 22:18; Galatians 3:16). Advocate (1 John 2:1). Almighty (Revelation 1:8). Alpha and Omega (Revelation 1:8; 22:13). Amen (Revelation 3:14). Angel (Genesis 48:16; Exodus 23:20,21). Angel of God’s presence (Isaiah 63:9). Angel of the Lord (Exodus 3:2; Judges 13:15-22). Apostle (Hebrews 3:1). Arm of the Lord (Isaiah 51:9; 53:1). Author and Finisher of our faith (Hebrews 12:2). Author of eternal salvation (Hebrews 5:9). Beginning of the creation of God (Revelation 3:14). Beloved (Ephesians 1:6). Beloved Son (Matthew 12:18). Blessed and only Potentate (1 Timothy 6:15). Branch (Jeremiah 23:5; Zechariah 3:8; 6:12). Bread of Life (John 6:35, 48). Bridegroom (Matthew 9:15). Bright and Morning Star (Revelation 22:16). Captain of Salvation (Hebrews 2:10). Captain of the Lord’s hosts (Joshua 5:14,15). Carpenter (Mark 6:3). Carpenter’s Son (Matthew 13:55). Chief Cornerstone (Ephesians 2:20; 1 Peter 2:6). Chief Shepherd (1 Peter 5:4). Christ (Matthew 16:20; Mark 14:16; Luke 23:2). Christ Jesus (Acts 19:4; Romans 3:24; 8:1; 1 Corinthians 1:2; 1:30). Christ Jesus our Lord (Romans 8:39; 1 Timothy 1:12). Christ of God (Luke 9:20). Christ the Lord (Luke 2:11). Commander (Isaiah 55:4). Consolation of Israel (Luke 2:25). Cornerstone (Matthew 21:42; Ephesians 2:20). Counselor (Isaiah 9:6). Creator (John 1:3). David (Jeremiah 30:9; Ezekiel 34:23). Dayspring (Luke 1:78). Deliverer (Romans 11:26). Desire of all nations (Haggai 2:7). Door (John 10:7). Elect of God (Isaiah 42:1). Eternal life (1 John 1:2; 5:20). Everlasting Father (Isaiah 9:6). Faithful and True (Revelation 19:11). Faithful witness (Revelation 1:5; 3:14). First and Last (Revelation 1:17; 2:8). Firstborn (Psalms 89:27; Hebrews 1:6; Revelation 1:5). Forerunner (Hebrews 6:20). Fountain (Zechariah 13:1). Glory of the Lord (Isaiah 40:5). God (Isaiah 40:9; John 20:28). God blessed forever (Romans 9:5). God’s fellow (Zechariah 13:7). Good Shepherd (John 10:14). Governor (Matthew 2:6). Great High Priest (Hebrews 4:14). Head of the Church (Ephesians 5:23; Colossians 1:18). Heir of all things (Hebrews 1:2). High Priest (Hebrews 4:14). Holy Child (Acts 4:27). Holy One (Psalms 16:10, with Acts 2:27; 3:14). Holy One of God (Mark 1:24). Holy One of Israel (Isaiah 41:14; 54:5). Horn of salvation (Luke 1:69). I AM, (Exodus 3:14, with John 8:58). Image of God (2 Corinthians 4:4). Immanuel (Isaiah 7:14; Matthew 1:23). Jesus (Matthew 1:21; 1 Thessalonians 1:10). Jesus Christ (Matthew 1:1). Jesus of Nazareth (Matthew 21:11; Mark 1:24; Luke 24:19). Judge (Acts 10:42; 2 Timothy 4:8). Judge of Israel (Micah 5:1). Just One (Acts 7:52; 22:14). King (Zechariah 9:9, with Matthew 21:5). King of Glory (Psalms 24:7-10). King of Israel (John 1:49). King of Kings (1 Timothy 6:15; Revelation 17:14). King of peace (Hebrews 7:2). King of righteousness (Hebrews 7:2). King of Saints (Revelation 15:3). King of Salem (Hebrews 7:1). King of the Jews (Matthew 2:2; 27:37; John 19:19). King of Zion (Matthew 21:25). Lamb (Revelation 5:6, 12; 13:8; 21:22; 22:3). Lamb of God (John 1:29, 36). Lawgiver (Isaiah 33:22). Leader (Isaiah 55:4). Life (John 14:6; Colossians 3:4; 1 John 1:2). Light of the world (John 1:8; 8:12). Lily of the valleys (Song of Solomon 2:1). Lion of the tribe of Judah (Revelation 5:5). Living Bread (John 6:51). Living Stone (1 Peter 2:4). Lord and Savior (2 Peter 1:11; 3:18). Lord Christ (Colossians 3:24). Lord God Almighty (Revelation 15:3). Lord God of the holy prophets (Revelation 22:6). Lord Jesus (Acts 7:59; Colossians 3:17). Lord Jesus Christ (Acts 11:17; 16:31; 20:21). Lord of all (Acts 10:36). Lord of glory (1 Corinthians 2:8; James 2:1). Lord of Hosts (Isaiah 44:6). Lord of Lords (1 Timothy 6:15; Revelation 17:14; 19:16). Lord our righteousness (Jeremiah 23:6; 33:16). Man of Sorrows (Isaiah 53:3). Mediator (1 Timothy 2:5). Messenger of the covenant (Malachi 3:1). Messiah (Daniel 9:25; John 1:41). Mighty God (Isaiah 9:6). Mighty One of Israel (Isaiah 30:29). Mighty One of Jacob (Isaiah 49:26; 60:16). Morningstar (Revelation 22:16; 2 Peter 1:19). Most Holy (Daniel 9:24). Nazarene (Matthew 2:23). Offspring of David (Revelation 22:16). Only Begotten Son (John 1:18). Only Begotten (John 1:14). Our Passover (1 Corinthians 5:7). Potentate (1 Timothy 6:15). Power of God (1 Corinthians 1:24). Prince (Acts 5:31). Prince of life (Acts 3:15). Prince of peace (Isaiah 9:6). Prince of the kings of the earth (Revelation 1:5). Prophet (Matthew 21:11; Luke 24:19; John 7:40). Rabbi (John 1:49). Rabboni (John 20:16). Ransom (1 Timothy 2:6). Redeemer (Job 19:25; Isaiah 59:20; Isaiah 60:16). Resurrection and life (John 11:25). Rock (1 Corinthians 10:4). Rock of Offence (1 Peter 2:8). Root of David (Revelation 5:5; 22:16). Root of Jesse (Isaiah 11:10). Rose of Sharon (Song of Solomon 2:1). Ruler of Israel (Micah 5:2). Savior (Luke 2:11; 2 Peter 2:20; 3:18). Savior of the Body (Ephesians 5:23). Sceptre (Numbers 24:17). Second Adam (1 Corinthians 15:45). Second Man (1 Corinthians 15:47). Seed of David (2 Timothy 2:8). Seed of woman (Genesis 3:15). Servant (Isaiah 42:1; 52:13; 53:11; Acts 4:30). Servant of Rulers (Isaiah 49:7). Shepherd (Mark 14:27). Shepherd and Overseer of Souls (1 Peter 2:25). Shepherd of Israel (Psalms 80:1). Shiloh (Genesis 49:10). Son of David (Matthew 9:27). Son of God (Luke 1:35; John 1:49). Son of Joseph (John 6:42). Son of man (John 5:27). Son of the Blessed (Mark 14:61). Son of the Father (2 John 1:3). Son of the Highest (Luke 1:32). Star (Numbers 24:17). Stone of Stumbling (1 Peter 2:8). Sun of righteousness (Malachi 4:2). Sure Foundation (Isaiah 28:16). Surety (Hebrews 7:22). Teacher (Matthew 23:8; John 3:2). Tender Plant (Isaiah 53:2). True God (1 John 5:20). True Light (John 1:9). True Vine (John 15:1). Truth (John 14:6). Vine (John 15:1). Way (John 14:6). Wisdom (Proverbs 8:12). Wisdom of God (1 Corinthians 1:24). Witness (Isaiah 55:4; Revelation 1:5). Wonderful (Isaiah 9:6). Word (John 1:1; 1 John 5:7). Word of God (Revelation 19:13). Word of Life (1 John 1:1). Now my understand from Miles is that Yahweh is another name for Christ. And elohim for God. And in OT is was God not Christ that odered the stonings.....And again not sure where your going with this...but ok. Don't believe any of it Krisma....Your chocie For me All is true from Genesis to Revelation....if you don't like it....oh well get over it. Because just like you I can believe as I wish. Again take scripture out of context K...it's what you do best |
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Yes I was talking about God. Your God. The Christian god. He was the same one from the OT. It never changed. Another Christian on forum was insisting that there were no Christians in the OT. Well that may be true but they were still following the word of Yahweh. That’s my point. It’s all the Christian faith because it is the same god. Just the term "Christian" was not adopted yet because that came on when Jesus Christ was on the scene.
I didn’t take anything out of context. God says that if Adam eats from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, then the day that he does so, he will die. But later Adam eats the forbidden fruit and yet lives for another 930 years. |
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Yes I was talking about God. Your God. The Christian god. He was the same one from the OT. It never changed. Another Christian on forum was insisting that there were no Christians in the OT. Well that may be true but they were still following the word of Yahweh. That’s my point. It’s all the Christian faith because it is the same god. Just the term "Christian" was not adopted yet because that came on when Jesus Christ was on the scene. I didn’t take anything out of context. God says that if Adam eats from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, then the day that he does so, he will die. But later Adam eats the forbidden fruit and yet lives for another 930 years. And what does Adam have to do with 1 Peter? So tell me what that means when God said you shall die? |
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I was just giving you a second example of when god predicted something that didn’t happen. They are not related.
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The LORD has spoken and has demanded all of u to bow and pray to ur LORD!!!!!!!
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Milesoftheusa
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Wed 01/28/09 06:23 PM
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Miles: Well if your going to get technical on what names that Christ can go by....please there are many. And if you are going to say that the Jesus Christ I believe in I am deceived please explain that further. Because I am under the impression that you believe in God and His Son although sometimes not... If I am breaking it down into the Old and New Testament there is good reason for this. There are many Jews of today live by the Old Testament and do not believe in the New Testament and that Miles is where I was coming from. I don't care what religion you are, but I would like a clearer picture on exactly what it is you believe....because it seems to me one minute you don't believe in Christ or whatever you want to call him..and the next you are telling me you do. Now I know for me their is no doubt even in your mind what it is I believe...But I am constantly for all of you trying to fit the pieces of the puzzle together to understand for me "What you do believe". I also call The Bible the Scriptures. So again misunderstand on where exactly your coming from Miles. See this is what your not getting Miles I totally believe in the scriptures whether it is Old Testament Law or New Testament. Like I said OT was the laws and NT teaches how to live. So again if you are judging me by putting up Hebrews 10:26-31 again you better make sure before you cast that stone Miles. See Miles this is where we have the disagreement...We are saved by faith and grace because of Jesus Christ or Yahweh in your case not the laws. Now again Miles you can quote scripture after scripture. When I asked what Acts meant to you...That is what I meant...I did not say Miles put up the scriptures of Acts for me again. The reason is because it is one thing to quote scriptures it is another to understand it. Acts is an Historical orderly account of the Commission of Christ for all to go and be witnesses to him to the ends of the earth. And it is the start of the Church.......Does this include us? Are we to be witnesses to Jesus Christ? I have not been quoting scripture on here for quite sometime. When I do I quote it I do not justs puta chapter and number in. Acts is the beginning trials of the believers and the out pouring of the spirit to me. It is not where law was done away as is believed in Peters vision. Acts tells the gentiles to go to the SYNAGAGUE to learn every sabbath as the word is preached thier.. They were to learn the law from unbelievers 1st. Acts 21 which no one will tackle Paul went into the temple for 7 days for purification and perform the sacrafices for 4 men who had a vow on them. He did this at the urging of brethern that people said he did not keep the law.. HE WENT IN TO PROVE TO THEM HE DID KEEP THE LAW AND THAT IT WAS JUST AND HOLY. Explain why he sacraficed Feral. Paul was a chosen Vessel and Barnabas was his compannion probally writing his letters for him. Paul after being blinded went into Arabia for 3 years to be taught before going to the gentiles. The Reason Paul ended up in Rome was because of Acts 21. He appealed to ceaser as a Roman Citizen. The new converts were told to start with abstaining from 4 things and to go to the synagues for training.. From the Jews who did not believe. The coming of the Holy Spirit is a gift and They were celebrating THE FEAST OF WEEKS and 1 day a type of Jubilee where the captive is set free. This is what happened. Gentiles could always enter as one of the land if they would be circumcized and Profess Yahweh as Creator of all things. This was not a new thing the Gentiles being believers. Yahweh is the Father and Yahshua is the son. They have no other names but those at this time. All names that the scriptures call them by has been left out by the lying pen of the scribe. Attributes are added to thier hames as in Yahweh shalom, Yahwehrapha. The man of sin is prophecied will decieve the whole world if it were possible. He will come in his own name. He will change times and laws. He will kill. That is JC the Son of J hovah satan and the false sone to come upon the earth. This is why faith comes by hearing. Hearing is a miracle. Because the carnal man prefers to believe a lie. The Holy Spirit is spoken of in tongues for the unbeliever not the believer as we see in the churches. It is a witness of the power of Yahweh when they hear in thier own languagethe wonderful works of Yahweh from a foriegner. Paul said he would prefer to speak 10'000 words of prophecy instead of 5 words of an unknown tongue. An unknown tongue does nothing to uplift. G-d is who rules this world as a roaring lion. He is not Yahweh or Yahshua but Helel/satan himself. We are not to have the names of any g-d on our lips if we do we risk breaking the 3rd commandment which is Blasepheming the Holy Spirit. Is that good enough. Or do you want me to tell you what went on in more detail from memory and the Spirit of Truth.. Shalom..Miles |
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