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5 Pages about atheism, 25 on Hitler.
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Krimsa
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Krimsa= straight up ass whooping.
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5 Pages about atheism, 25 on Hitler.
Isn't that how it always works though? Eventually someone runs out of enough "proof" for their side, and they bring up Hitler, then it just takes off from there. . 
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Godwin's Law (also known as Godwin's Rule of Nazi Analogies) is an adage formulated by Mike Godwin in 1990. The law states:
"As a Usenet discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one." Godwin's Law is often cited in online discussions as a deterrent against the use of arguments in the reductio ad Hitlerum form. The rule does not make any statement about whether any particular reference or comparison to Adolf Hitler or the Nazis might be appropriate, but only asserts that one arising is increasingly probable. It is precisely because such a comparison or reference may sometimes be appropriate, Godwin has argued that overuse of Nazi and Hitler comparisons should be avoided, because it robs the valid comparisons of their impact. Although in one of its early forms Godwin's Law referred specifically to Usenet newsgroup discussions, the law is now applied to any threaded online discussion: electronic mailing lists, message boards, chat rooms, and more recently blog comment threads and wiki talk pages. |
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I’m going to at least make an attempt to bring it back to the topic of Atheism and some related subject matter. The Hitler's faith issue will NEVER be resolved so let’s just agree to disagree on that one and it is irrelevant to our lives today.
Atheism isn’t as there are currently 1000s of Atheists living in the US alone. So I have a question. If you are an Atheist, how often are you accused of being a Communist? When you are accused is it normally by Christians or it can be anyone? |
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If you are an Atheist, how often are you accused of being a Communist? When you are accused is it normally by Christians or it can be anyone?
I have not had that happen to me, but I do try to preempt that by noting that I am currently a Reservist with one tour under my belt. . . |
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That’s good. Not that it is a bad thing to be a Communist or have socialist leanings but people seem to always think that Atheists automatically=Communist and that is simply not the case. For one thing, most Americans are Atheists or Agnostics by choice and it was nothing that was forced on them by the environment or the political climate they grew up in like with many people from Communist nations. They are simply Atheists by default and because they are not exposed to any religiosity.
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But it was still the word of god correct? What difference would it make what title you give them? Anyway, that’s a ridiculous argument. I used the NT twice now to cite examples. Because the Old Testament is the Law for Jews. Still is. It prophesises Christainty. Christianity does not come along until the Book of Acts in the New Testament. |
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Eljay said: So Nero didn't exist? I think there is an extremely large Historical society who would disagree with you.
I don’t understand the historical correlation you are attempting to make between Nero, who was a well documented Roman Emperor and Moses who was some guy who supposedly freed the Hebrew slaves from Egypt yet there is absolutely nothing in the hieroglyphic record that even makes mention of his existence outside of the bible. I’m finding it difficult to believe that the Egyptians would have just glossed over that if it had actually occurred. I'd like to see you prove to me that Moses is not well documented. There has been more written about Moses than all of the emporers of rome combined! Documentation by the Egyptians? The bible doesn’t count, Eljay. Okay - explain why anything documented by the Egyptians is viable and the Bible is not? |
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Yes that’s true and Moses didn’t exist. No where in any Egyptian hieroglyphs does it ever discuss anyone like him. The Egyptians documented everything. It’s all conjured up and fictititous. Yep I agree, but he exists as a fictional character, held in high esteem. And I don't think any of the characters in the New Testament existed either except in fiction, but they have become real to people so I speak of them as real to people who believe they are real. So what criteria are you using to Determine what is real and what is fictional in the Bible? Other than personal bias. So Nero didn't exist? I think there is an extremely large Historical society who would disagree with you. So why out of all the characters in the New Testament did you pick Nero to question me about? Why Nero? Probably because he is one of the few who stands out as being a real person who existed in history. Yes, he was mentioned in the New Testament. Yes he probably did truly exist. The fictional characters of the New Testament were placed in actual places, and with some real people to give them credibility. (Just like any fiction.) Jesus, all the Josephs, all the Marys, all the disciples, apostles, Paul, John the Baptist - all are fictional characters. |
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But it was still the word of god correct? What difference would it make what title you give them? Anyway, that’s a ridiculous argument. I used the NT twice now to cite examples. Because the Old Testament is the Law for Jews. Still is. It prophesises Christainty. Christianity does not come along until the Book of Acts in the New Testament. Then who was Yahweh exactly? |
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Hitler was a Catholic. To me, and I suspect many people, that would make him a Christian. That is a problem, because it demonstrates that you are unclear on the concept of what a christain is. Why is that? How can you at least not know how one becomes a christain? I'm not saying you have to become one yourself - but if you are going to argue these points with those who know EXACTLY what is necessary to become a christain, you should at least be as knowledgeable about the topic as those who you claim to know at least as much as they do. I think your personal understanding of what is necessary to become a Christian is not the same as the general and accepted one in society. If you claim to be one, if you believe in the Jesus story, if you go to a Christian Church, you are considered a Christian. They don't have to carry I.D. cards or wear arm bands. They don't have to show their official Christian membership card signed by Jesus. Your particular belief is of what a Christian is, happens to be part of your particular belief. It has nothing to do with societies view of christainity, and everything to do with what the bible says. Where does society get it's idea of christianity if not from the bible? You don't have to be a "card carrying member" - but you can be sure, that if you order the extermination of over 6 million Jews, you aren't a card carrying member. That's just plain OBVIOUS! Your actions and words demonstrate whether you're a card carrying member or not. Then I have an idea. Anyone who is not a real Christian, and anyone who does not love thy neighbor and practice what Jesus taught, should be kicked out of the Religion and not allowed to tell people they are Christians. That includes the Bush family and Obama and anyone else. That includes anyone who puts on a uniform and invades another country and anyone who pays taxes to support that effort. But then, who would enforce this rule? Certainly not true Christians.
Answer this all you "Born again" Christians and 'other'Christians,: Do you pay taxes? Do you support this illegal war? If you do, then you are not true Christians, you are just pretending to be. But those are not criteria either. And nowhere does it say a christain won't sin - but it does say that if a christain claims to be in the light and does not walk in the light, they decieve themselves. We are to "render unto Caesar - that which is Caesar's". So we pay taxes. It isn't our responsibility that those taxes are used to support those things to which we don't agree - like a War, the ACLU, Abortion, secular schools, the matting habits of the east overshoe slug... the list goes on. What makes a war "illegal"? When you quote Jesus about paying taxes you quote a fictional character made up by the Roman elite who worked under government. Of course they would want him to say that. They wanted their taxes. On the slim chance that a man really did say that who was later cast as "Jesus" he was saying it to appease the powers that be so they might not run him through with a sword or try him for treason, (according to the Urantia book.) The war in Iraq is technically illegal because Bush did not have the proper authority or reason to go there. He did it illegally. He invaded a third world country and bombed hospitals and homes and cities. That is not a legal war. If you pay taxes to support this government and this war effort and George Bush is ever convicted of war crimes or illegal activities or terrorism, you are as guilty as him. If the CIA is conducting black operations and terrorists activity using our tax dollars then you are as guilty as them. If you support Israel's bombing and invasion of Gaza and their terrorist agency then you are just as guilty as they are. (Evangelic Christians support Israel.) Why anyone would support Israel is beyond me, especially Christians. They (Israelis) are either anti-Christian or anti-God. They have no right to be there. God did not promise that land to them. Who the crap do they think they are? 
I hate to upset your revisionist History - but the war in Iraq occured because it was sanctioned by Congress. No president can send the country off to war without passing it through Congress. Now - what is illegal about War? Not only do I support Isreal - I don't support their retreat. After 8 straight years of Hamas' terrorist acts - I think they should just set a date to turn the Gaza strip into a crator - and then do it. Whoever remains in the Gaza strip deserves whatever they'll get. Good thing I'm not the president of Isreal, eH? |
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Krimsa
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Thu 01/29/09 02:32 PM
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Eljay said: So Nero didn't exist? I think there is an extremely large Historical society who would disagree with you.
I don’t understand the historical correlation you are attempting to make between Nero, who was a well documented Roman Emperor and Moses who was some guy who supposedly freed the Hebrew slaves from Egypt yet there is absolutely nothing in the hieroglyphic record that even makes mention of his existence outside of the bible. I’m finding it difficult to believe that the Egyptians would have just glossed over that if it had actually occurred. I'd like to see you prove to me that Moses is not well documented. There has been more written about Moses than all of the emporers of rome combined! Documentation by the Egyptians? The bible doesn’t count, Eljay. Okay - explain why anything documented by the Egyptians is viable and the Bible is not? Because it seems only logical and reasonable that the Egyptians would have documented the existence of Moses doesn’t it? He should be validated in both civilizations. |
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Eljay said: God is also Just.
Okay lets take a look at some of that biblical "justice" shall we? 2 Corinthians 6 6:14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? 6:17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you. "Be ye separate." Keep away from unbelievers. Neither marry nor be friends with them. You should not even be speaking with us Eljay. Your god commands you to not even look at us. Of course this is the NT where it went from "kill all of the heathens" to just turn your back on them because they are "unclean." Thank goodness for small favors. What has this got to do with "Justice"? Because it is an unjust sentiment to have for your fellow human beings. I can always cite another example if you like? I was being kind on that one. But that is just a subjective observation. It has nothing to do with justice. |
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5 Pages about atheism, 25 on Hitler.
Isn't that how it always works though? Eventually someone runs out of enough "proof" for their side, and they bring up Hitler, then it just takes off from there. .
Though I don't agree with Krimsa's accessment of Hitler, I defend her right to bring it up on every thread she post in. |
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Eljay said: God is also Just.
Okay lets take a look at some of that biblical "justice" shall we? 2 Corinthians 6 6:14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? 6:17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you. "Be ye separate." Keep away from unbelievers. Neither marry nor be friends with them. You should not even be speaking with us Eljay. Your god commands you to not even look at us. Of course this is the NT where it went from "kill all of the heathens" to just turn your back on them because they are "unclean." Thank goodness for small favors. What has this got to do with "Justice"? Because it is an unjust sentiment to have for your fellow human beings. I can always cite another example if you like? I was being kind on that one. But that is just a subjective observation. It has nothing to do with justice. So in other words you feel that god was correct in that ultimatum? Turn your back on the non-believers? Why don’t you do it then? |
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5 Pages about atheism, 25 on Hitler.
Isn't that how it always works though? Eventually someone runs out of enough "proof" for their side, and they bring up Hitler, then it just takes off from there. .
Though I don't agree with Krimsa's accessment of Hitler, I defend her right to bring it up on every thread she post in. I only argue against the believers who insist that he was not a Catholic. Why shouldn’t I? Its misinformation. |
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Eljay said: So Nero didn't exist? I think there is an extremely large Historical society who would disagree with you.
I don’t understand the historical correlation you are attempting to make between Nero, who was a well documented Roman Emperor and Moses who was some guy who supposedly freed the Hebrew slaves from Egypt yet there is absolutely nothing in the hieroglyphic record that even makes mention of his existence outside of the bible. I’m finding it difficult to believe that the Egyptians would have just glossed over that if it had actually occurred. I'd like to see you prove to me that Moses is not well documented. There has been more written about Moses than all of the emporers of rome combined! Documentation by the Egyptians? The bible doesn’t count, Eljay. Okay - explain why anything documented by the Egyptians is viable and the Bible is not? Because it seems only logical and reasonable that the Egyptians would have documented the existence of Moses doesn’t it? He should be validated in both civilizations. That isn't proof af anything. The interpretation's of Heiroglifics are subjective at best. (Or however that word is spelled) Also - what evidence is there that what was found in the Heiro's weren't themselves fiction - in which case there would be no mention of anyone real. There's no basis for the claim the the bible is fiction - as there's no way to verify the claim. |
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Eljay said: God is also Just.
Okay lets take a look at some of that biblical "justice" shall we? 2 Corinthians 6 6:14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? 6:17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you. "Be ye separate." Keep away from unbelievers. Neither marry nor be friends with them. You should not even be speaking with us Eljay. Your god commands you to not even look at us. Of course this is the NT where it went from "kill all of the heathens" to just turn your back on them because they are "unclean." Thank goodness for small favors. What has this got to do with "Justice"? Because it is an unjust sentiment to have for your fellow human beings. I can always cite another example if you like? I was being kind on that one. But that is just a subjective observation. It has nothing to do with justice. So in other words you feel that god was correct in that ultimatum? Turn your back on the non-believers? Why don’t you do it then? Because that it not what the context of scripture dictates. |
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