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If that is even a choice for you, then you have no honor. (to not work and filch off of society) I have choices, but none that are honorable but the ones I am making now. _______________________ Personally I am done with this topic, the only topic I have brought up is health care and you have made no points at all about that. Honor doesn't pay the rent, put food in the cabinets, or pay the medical bills either. Stealing from/punishing those who strive and achieve success to subsidize those who do not isn't fair/honorable either but that's reality. When/if Obama's new socialist tax/healthcare, potential reparation plans are enacted, I will the cognitive CHOICE of the path of least resistance. I'll be one less teate non-producers can extort and suckle off of. If anyone wants a job or anything else... I'll say "go talk to Obama". " I have choices, but none that are honorable but the ones I am making now". As of this time, to that I say- "bull snot". I have seen your posts in other threads (namely the Science & Philosophy)and know from your posts there that you are FAR smarter than that to claim your honorable choices are limited. That line may work on a Hallmark greeting card but that's about it. I don't know what points I can/could make about healthcare. I pay for and believe I deserve the best healthcare (or any other product/service)that I can afford? I may get sick and will die? I possess the education and knowledge for providing medical treatment on myself? Life is unfair? I get by the best way I can just like everyone else (but don't want, expect, or desire a handout)? |
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The issue with your analogy is that it presupposes that the situation that the person who needs help is in was created by there lack of effort. My mother worked for 40 years and has put money into this government and SS, and she is dying, she has no insurance and for me to cover her at this time would cost crazy money that I even working 50 hrs a week at a good paying job cannot afford to give her. She worked her ass off and is probably going to die before SS even kicks in . . . . yea life is not fair, that is for sure. Its too bad we are not Canadian citizens. Life is worth it. I will gladly pay for someone to live to see there grand children. If Obama cannot get this system in place in time to save my mother, maybe someone else's mother will get to see there grand children. This doesn't even address the valid argument that a healthy society will actually be more productive. I'm so sorry about your mom.  
What is preventing you from taking your mother in, taking care of her, helping her?
Oh lets see, I am paying her rent, I pay for my retarded brother's issue with the law, which are really just the law taking advantage of a mentally handicapped kid, and this is half my paycheck. Then I either commute 150 miles a day to go to work or I live close to work and pay two sets of rent . . . . I pay taxes as a single man . . . but pay for other people, but becuase we are not in the same house,a nd dont have the same residence . . . Have you seen the cost of insuring a not so healthy 63 year old woman who smokes and cant quit? Have you been to a hospital lately? Have you seen the cost? This doesn't even come close to answering your question. I owe the hospitals thousands of dollars from an accident I got into in February, guess what the other drivers insurance company is doing everything they can to limit, and draw out the length of time for a settlement, the collection agencies don't care . . . . I don't think you have a clue what some people go through in life and how hard it is to pay the taxes and see nothing for it. (short of roads to drive to work) You know 10 years ago before life happened!! I had the same outlook as you do . . . I have been a strong conservative, who spouted the same trash. I even voted for good ole bush twice! Family should help, sure lol, my dad has money, he sold our house sent my mom to live in a trailer that is falling apart and wouldn't spend a dime the government doesn't make him to help. Its completely pie in the sky the comments you have made when placed against some people situations lol. Before you start offering me advice trust me when I say that I have not told you half of the issues that effect my life and the choices I make. Sure you can say well why is any of this YOUR problem, why should the government help. Guess what strong people that CAN get through this kind of situation with a little help ARE the backbone of this country! Without a little help sometimes those people dont make it. 10 years from now without a little help maybe someone like me but without a good paying job would be dead or sleeping in the streets (without me my brother and mom would be dead or sleeping in the streets that is FACT). Maybe with a little help they may have raised the next generation of strong willed people to actually make up the difference. Its the same idea as a loan, you don't give people money, you loan to them, expect medical care is not money, it life. The person who gets to keep life can pay it back by working hard and paying taxes for years to come where as dead people don't pay taxes. Already my mom has spent YEARS without medical aid, and could have been productive if she was insured. You get sick lose your job loose your benefits and with no one there to help you never get better to get back out there to contribute. Seems to make plenty of good sense to me, but I guess it takes a little perspective. AND this was the only issue that mattered enough to me to get my vote for Barrack Obama. I have been impressed by your intellect on here. Now I am even more amazed that you are so responsible, have a good head on your shoulders and are caring on top of that. And you're still in your 20's! I'm sorry that you are having to do all of that at your age. |
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Winx
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If that is even a choice for you, then you have no honor. (to not work and filch off of society) I have choices, but none that are honorable but the ones I am making now. _______________________ Personally I am done with this topic, the only topic I have brought up is health care and you have made no points at all about that. Honor doesn't pay the rent, put food in the cabinets, or pay the medical bills either. Stealing from/punishing those who strive and achieve success to subsidize those who do not isn't fair/honorable either but that's reality. When/if Obama's new socialist tax/healthcare, potential reparation plans are enacted, I will the cognitive CHOICE of the path of least resistance. I'll be one less teate non-producers can extort and suckle off of. If anyone wants a job or anything else... I'll say "go talk to Obama". " I have choices, but none that are honorable but the ones I am making now". As of this time, to that I say- "bull snot". I have seen your posts in other threads (namely the Science & Philosophy)and know from your posts there that you are FAR smarter than that to claim your honorable choices are limited. That line may work on a Hallmark greeting card but that's about it. I don't know what points I can/could make about healthcare. I pay for and believe I deserve the best healthcare (or any other product/service)that I can afford? I may get sick and will die? I possess the education and knowledge for providing medical treatment on myself? Life is unfair? I get by the best way I can just like everyone else (but don't want, expect, or desire a handout)? Are you aware that we pay taxes and they are then distributed? People don't get hand-outs, btw. They get temporary help. That's what makes us caring humans. What you said to him is uncalled for. He is 29 years old and going beyond the call of duty to help his family. That says a lot to me. |
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The below comment appeared in a local newspaper comments section in regards to an editor's "Our View" opinion piece ("Our View: George W. Bush's legacy, for better and (mostly) worse") earlier today. http://www.pjstar.com/opinions/x1881638821/Our-View-George-W-Bushs-legacy-for-better-and-mostly-worse - the article itself. I don't know if the poster/commentor was the original creator of this letter or not; However, aside from reflecting many of my own personal views... this really put things into perspective. "Sorry but I just couldn't resist, But I am gamed if you guys are??? Dear American liberals, leftists, social progressives, socialists, Marxists, Obama supporters, et al: We have stuck together since the late 1950's, but the whole of this latest election process has made me realize that I want a divorce. I know we tolerated each other for many years for the sake of future generations, but sadly, this relationship has run its course. Our two ideological sides of America cannot and will not ever agree on what is right, so let's just end it on friendly terms. We can smile, slate it up to irreconcilable differences, and go our own ways. Here is a model dissolution agreement: Our two groups can equitably divide up the country by landmass each taking a portion. That will be the difficult part, but I am sure our two sides can come to a friendly agreement. After that it should be relatively easy! Our respective representatives can effortlessly divide other assets since both sides have such distinct and disparate tastes. To wit: We don't like redistributive taxes so you can keep them. You are also welcome to the liberal judges and the ACLU. Since you hate guns and war, we'll take our firearms, the cops, the NRA, and the military. You can keep Oprah, Michael Moore, Rosie O'Donnell and The View (you are however, responsible for finding a bio-diesel vehicle big enough to move them). We'll keep the capitalism, greedy corporations, pharmaceutical companies, Wal-Mart, and Wall Street. You can have your beloved homeless, homeboys, hippies, and illegal aliens. We'll keep the hot Alaskan Hockey Moms, greedy CEO's, and Rednecks. We'll keep the Bibles and give you NBC and Hollywood . You can make nice with Iran, Palestine, and France, and we'll retain the right to invade and hammer places that threaten us. You can have the peaceniks and war protestors. When our allies or way of life are under assault, we'll provide them job security. We'll keep our Judeo-Christian Values. You are welcome to Islam, Scientology, Humanism, and Shirley McClain. You can have the U.N. But we will no longer be paying the bill. We'll keep the SUV's, pickup trucks, and oversized luxury cars. You can take every Subaru Station Wagon you can find. You can give everyone healthcare, if you can find any practicing Doctors (that is... practicing, Howard Dean) who will follow to your turf . We'll continue to believe healthcare is a privilege and not a right. We'll keep 'The Battle Hymn of the Republic' and 'The National Anthem.' I'm sure you'll be happy to substitute 'Imagine', 'I'd Like to Teach The World To Sing', 'Kum Ba Ya', or 'We Are the World.' We'll practice trickle down economics, and you can give trickle up poverty its best shot. Since it often so offends you we'll keep our History, our Name, and our Flag. Would you agree to this? We think it is certainly fair and equitable. In the spirit of friendly parting, I'll bet you all of ANWR on 'Who will need whose help in 15 years'. Sincerely, P.S. Please take Barbra Streisand, too."  Whoever wrote this must hate the United States.
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You're so bad, Mirror.
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Are you aware that we pay taxes and they are then distributed? People don't get hand-outs, btw. They get temporary help. That's what makes us caring humans. What you said to him is uncalled for. He is 29 years old and going beyond the call of duty to help his family. That says a lot to me. I'm all too painfully aware that I pay taxes, up to 48% of what I earn overall. I'm also aware that some have to work 5 months just to pay them. If I make less, I would have to pay less... another valid reason to not work hard and try to achieve to be the best I can be. Unfortunately your belief of it not being a handout and "temporary help" is woefully naive. You can spare LBJ's "Great Society" cliff notes. Multi-generations receiving some form of welfare living under one roof is not what I would consider "temporary" (not to imply and already knowing this is not Bushidobillyclub's situation). You can also stop making excuses for him. I already know he's smart, rational, and articulate enough to speak for himself. Personally,I never thought, believed, or operated under the paradigm that there was a limit one could or should help their family; Hence, one never could go beyond the "call of duty". So where is the cut-off line in your opinion? So I'll know for future reference (when one of my family members calls for help). What does him being 29 have to do with anything? He's a man with reponsibilities, not a child. I'm not going to compliment him for trying to do what I believe is the traditionally right thing to do to begin with. Should I compliment/congratulate every teenage girl for who doesn't have a child out of wedlock while in high school as well? Thank a fast food cashier for getting my order right and giving me back the correct change? I don't think so. How about a little light reading about your "precious poor" receiving "temporary help"? http://www.ncpa.org/studies/s187/s187b.html "The total cost of means-tested federal and state welfare programs equaled $305 billion in fiscal year 1992 (the latest year for which complete statistics are available), or about 5.2 percent of GDP". "53 percent of poor households have air conditioning; 91 percent own a color TV and 29 percent own two or more color TVs; 64 percent own a car and 14 percent own two or more cars; 56 percent own a microwave oven; and 40 percent own their home, with 71,000 owning homes worth more than $300,000." All I can say... "Ouch (Winx), this post is gonna leave a mark . I feel your pain sound familiar?
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Honor doesn't pay the rent, put food in the cabinets, or pay the medical bills either. Stealing from/punishing those who strive and achieve success to subsidize those who do not isn't fair/honorable either but that's reality. When/if Obama's new socialist tax/healthcare, potential reparation plans are enacted, I will the cognitive CHOICE of the path of least resistance. I'll be one less teate non-producers can extort and suckle off of. If anyone wants a job or anything else... I'll say "go talk to Obama". " I have choices, but none that are honorable but the ones I am making now". As of this time, to that I say- "bull snot". I have seen your posts in other threads (namely the Science & Philosophy)and know from your posts there that you are FAR smarter than that to claim your honorable choices are limited. That line may work on a Hallmark greeting card but that's about it. I don't know what points I can/could make about healthcare. I pay for and believe I deserve the best healthcare (or any other product/service)that I can afford? I may get sick and will die? I possess the education and knowledge for providing medical treatment on myself? Life is unfair? I get by the best way I can just like everyone else (but don't want, expect, or desire a handout)? We could be friends. I couldn't have said it better. |
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Edited by
Winx
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Beorganic,
I feel no pain about what you wrote. I actually feel sorry for you. This statement is false: "Multi-generations receiving some form of welfare living under one roof is not what I would consider "temporary"." That cycle has been broken for quite a few years now. There is a time limit on that help. I think it's 5 years in my state. They need to be working and/or going to school now. Do you have anything more current then 1992. Sheesh. The poverty level is so low now compared to then. |
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"53 percent of poor households have air conditioning; 91 percent own a color TV and 29 percent own two or more color TVs; 64 percent own a car and 14 percent own two or more cars; 56 percent own a microwave oven; and 40 percent own their home, with 71,000 owning homes worth more than $300,000." All I can say... "Ouch (Winx), this post is gonna leave a mark . I feel your pain sound familiar?
I can attest personally knowing that these "poor" families, have no desire to learn, work or achieve. Having tried to help them personally, on several occasions, I have experienced lack of desire to improve one's circumstance. This SHOCKED me. I was actually willing to do more to help them, for free, then they themselves were willing to do to help themselves. I have felt many times, that I am looked at as "annoying busy SOB", constantly making them move around. Sure the wanted the result. But did they want to do it? Get dirty with me under their car? Sit whole night through with me while I work on their computer? Do their home repair right, and not be satistfied with "who gives a ****" quality? No. They only wanted the result. God be my witness. |
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Beorganic, I feel no pain about what you wrote. I actually feel sorry for you. This statement is false: "Multi-generations receiving some form of welfare living under one roof is not what I would consider "temporary"." That cycle has been broken for quite a few years now. There is a time limit on that help. I think it's 5 years in my state. They need to be working and/or going to school now. Do you have anything more current then 1992. Sheesh. The poverty level is so low now compared to then. Heavy on the opinion/emotion, light on the "facts" (as expected). Old statistics speak louder than none at all. A purely hypothetical situation (knowing that your "precious poor" ALWAYS want to do the right thing, they just need a little help). I'm a single unwed female with a child and already on welfare, my 5 year time limit is almost at an end. OOOOOPS, I become pregnant (by accident, again). You're going to try to tell me ALL benefits cease the moment that 5 years is up? There are NO "safety nets" in place, no exceptions what-so-ever? The government will not look out for/protect that child? I stand corrected... calling you naive is an understatement. "The poverty level is so low now compared to then." I'm having a difficult time following what you are trying to say here. The poverty level is so low, as in there aren't that many people in poverty as there was then? So low that these people are poorer than before? If so, in what way? Feel free provide a recent link informing me of how many have air conditioning, color tv sets, number of cars, ect. they have. nogames- I share your experiences and know exactly what you are talking about. A few years ago I was the coordinator of the Master Gardener program for the local cooperative extension service. The largest city near me has several housing projects for the "needy". Located next to these projects were large plots of vacant land. It was my proposal to the city to use these pieces of land for vegetable gardens for said clients. The city signed off on the project. The Master Gardening program would educate these individuals with a series of hands on workshops and litature these "needy" individuals. Provide equipment, and help them through the entire process (including volunteers to help harvest and preserve crops... with donated supplies). We sent out over 400 fliers. Only 6 people showed up. The very first question asked after my hour long presentation was "If I do this, will this affect my (welfare) link card or my benefits"? I'm eagery anticipating hearing what Winx's excuses/justifications/rationalizations will be in regards to the above mentioned testimonials. |
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If that is even a choice for you, then you have no honor. (to not work and filch off of society) I have choices, but none that are honorable but the ones I am making now. _______________________ Personally I am done with this topic, the only topic I have brought up is health care and you have made no points at all about that. Honor doesn't pay the rent, put food in the cabinets, or pay the medical bills either. Stealing from/punishing those who strive and achieve success to subsidize those who do not isn't fair/honorable either but that's reality. When/if Obama's new socialist tax/healthcare, potential reparation plans are enacted, I will the cognitive CHOICE of the path of least resistance. I'll be one less teate non-producers can extort and suckle off of. If anyone wants a job or anything else... I'll say "go talk to Obama". " I have choices, but none that are honorable but the ones I am making now". As of this time, to that I say- "bull snot". I have seen your posts in other threads (namely the Science & Philosophy)and know from your posts there that you are FAR smarter than that to claim your honorable choices are limited. That line may work on a Hallmark greeting card but that's about it. I don't know what points I can/could make about healthcare. I pay for and believe I deserve the best healthcare (or any other product/service)that I can afford? I may get sick and will die? I possess the education and knowledge for providing medical treatment on myself? Life is unfair? I get by the best way I can just like everyone else (but don't want, expect, or desire a handout)? Are you aware that we pay taxes and they are then distributed? People don't get hand-outs, btw. They get temporary help. That's what makes us caring humans. What you said to him is uncalled for. He is 29 years old and going beyond the call of duty to help his family. That says a lot to me. |
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Im glad I live in The Republic of Texas and not Michelle Obamas country. BTW LynnAnn loosen that corset girl its cuttin' off the blood flow to your brain. Goodnight from the Conservative underground.
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Healthcare is not a constitutional Right. Period.
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Whoever wrote this must hate the United States.
No they just hate the majority of people that live in the united states.. 
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Goodnight from the Conservative underground. Ya like you guys were ever unground.. LOL |
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Healthcare is not a constitutional Right. Period. You might be wishing it was when you have a family disaster and have no where to turn. I have seen it happen with people that so hate the idea then find themselves in the same boat with everyone else. |
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Whoever wrote this must hate the United States.
No they just hate the majority of people that live in the united states..
Unfortunately, that just might be the majority by now. Divorce is very much needed, just like the time when Americans needed the divorce from the Queen. |
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Unfortunately, that just might be the majority by now. Divorce is very much needed, just like the time when Americans needed the divorce from the Queen. I never saw the marriage in the first place. We are as divided as ever. It's just more known about now with the communications we have now. |
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