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Topic: Video shows evidence of phosphorus bombs in Gaza
Drivinmenutz's photo
Sun 01/18/09 08:56 AM
Edited by Drivinmenutz on Sun 01/18/09 08:58 AM

Warning: contains graphic footage of war injuries Link to this video Video showing injuries consistent with the use of white phosphorus shells has been filmed inside hospitals treating Palestinian wounded in Gaza City.

Contact with the shell remnants causes severe burns, sometimes burning the skin to the bone, consistent with descriptions by Ahmed Almi, an Egyptian doctor at the al-Nasser hospital in Khan Younis.

Almi said the entire body of one victim was burned within an hour. It was the first time he had seen the effects of what he called a "chemical weapon".

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jan/16/phosphorus-bombs-video-israel-gaza


Would not surprise me one bit as it's pretty common in the middle east. What does it mean if there was white phosphorus bombs though? Guess i'm not quite sure of what you are getting at... I know it's pretty nasty stuff. Met a few soldiers who got burned from some...

Fanta46's photo
Sun 01/18/09 09:02 AM
Unknown Soldiers are we, without uniform
And around us fear and the shadow of death
We have all been drafted for life.
Only death will discharge us from [our] ranks,


On red days of riots and blood
In the dark nights of despair
In towns and villages shall we raise our banner
On which are inscribed defence and conquest


We were not drafted by the whip, like a mob of slaves
To shed our blood in foreign lands
Our will is to be forever free
Our dream - to die for our country


From all directions, tens of thousands of obstacles
Cruel fate has placed on our path
But enemies, spies and prison houses
Will never be able to stop us


And if we fall in the streets and homes
We will be buried silently in the night
Thousands of others will fill our places
To protect and defend forever


With the tears of bereaved mothers
And the blood of pure babies
Like mortar shall we put together the cadaver building blocks
The edifice of the homeland shall we raise



madisonman's photo
Sun 01/18/09 09:03 AM


Warning: contains graphic footage of war injuries Link to this video Video showing injuries consistent with the use of shells has been filmed inside hospitals treating Palestinian wounded in Gaza City.

Contact with the shell remnants causes severe burns, sometimes burning the skin to the bone, consistent with descriptions by Ahmed Almi, an Egyptian doctor at the al-Nasser hospital in Khan Younis.

Almi said the entire body of one victim was burned within an hour. It was the first time he had seen the effects of what he called a "chemical weapon".

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jan/16/phosphorus-bombs-video-israel-gaza


Would not surprise me one bit as it's pretty common in the middle east. What does it mean if there was white phosphorus bombs though? Guess i'm not quite sure of what you are getting at... I know it's pretty nasty stuff. Met a few soldiers who got burned from some...
The use of white phosphorus "violates the Geneva Protocol for the Prohibition of the Use in War of Asphyxiating, Poisonous or Other Gases, and of Bacteriological Methods of Warfare. Incendiary agents such as napalm and phosphorus are not considered to be CW agents since they achieve their effect mainly through thermal energy. [Ref. http://www.reachingcriticalwill.org/legal/cw/cwindex.html ]


Fanta46's photo
Sun 01/18/09 09:05 AM


Warning: contains graphic footage of war injuries Link to this video Video showing injuries consistent with the use of white phosphorus shells has been filmed inside hospitals treating Palestinian wounded in Gaza City.

Contact with the shell remnants causes severe burns, sometimes burning the skin to the bone, consistent with descriptions by Ahmed Almi, an Egyptian doctor at the al-Nasser hospital in Khan Younis.

Almi said the entire body of one victim was burned within an hour. It was the first time he had seen the effects of what he called a "chemical weapon".

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jan/16/phosphorus-bombs-video-israel-gaza


Would not surprise me one bit as it's pretty common in the middle east. What does it mean if there was white phosphorus bombs though? Guess i'm not quite sure of what you are getting at... I know it's pretty nasty stuff. Met a few soldiers who got burned from some...


They are firing them, aerial bursts, above civilian Gazan neighborhoods.

no photo
Sun 01/18/09 09:06 AM



Warning: contains graphic footage of war injuries Link to this video Video showing injuries consistent with the use of white phosphorus shells has been filmed inside hospitals treating Palestinian wounded in Gaza City.

Contact with the shell remnants causes severe burns, sometimes burning the skin to the bone, consistent with descriptions by Ahmed Almi, an Egyptian doctor at the al-Nasser hospital in Khan Younis.

Almi said the entire body of one victim was burned within an hour. It was the first time he had seen the effects of what he called a "chemical weapon".

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jan/16/phosphorus-bombs-video-israel-gaza


Would not surprise me one bit as it's pretty common in the middle east. What does it mean if there was white phosphorus bombs though? Guess i'm not quite sure of what you are getting at... I know it's pretty nasty stuff. Met a few soldiers who got burned from some...


They are firing them, aerial bursts, above civilian Gazan neighborhoods.


Your nose is growing

Fanta46's photo
Sun 01/18/09 09:08 AM

Unknown Soldiers are we, without uniform
And around us fear and the shadow of death
We have all been drafted for life.
Only death will discharge us from [our] ranks,


On red days of riots and blood
In the dark nights of despair
In towns and villages shall we raise our banner
On which are inscribed defence and conquest


We were not drafted by the whip, like a mob of slaves
To shed our blood in foreign lands
Our will is to be forever free
Our dream - to die for our country


From all directions, tens of thousands of obstacles
Cruel fate has placed on our path
But enemies, spies and prison houses
Will never be able to stop us


And if we fall in the streets and homes
We will be buried silently in the night
Thousands of others will fill our places
To protect and defend forever


With the tears of bereaved mothers
And the blood of pure babies
Like mortar shall we put together the cadaver building blocks
The edifice of the homeland shall we raise




s1owhand's photo
Sun 01/18/09 09:25 AM
The immediate conflict is over today if Hamas
stops firing rockets and is disarmed.

Fanta46's photo
Sun 01/18/09 09:28 AM


Unknown Soldiers are we, without uniform
And around us fear and the shadow of death
We have all been drafted for life.
Only death will discharge us from [our] ranks,


On red days of riots and blood
In the dark nights of despair
In towns and villages shall we raise our banner
On which are inscribed defence and conquest


We were not drafted by the whip, like a mob of slaves
To shed our blood in foreign lands
Our will is to be forever free
Our dream - to die for our country


From all directions, tens of thousands of obstacles
Cruel fate has placed on our path
But enemies, spies and prison houses
Will never be able to stop us


And if we fall in the streets and homes
We will be buried silently in the night
Thousands of others will fill our places
To protect and defend forever


With the tears of bereaved mothers
And the blood of pure babies
Like mortar shall we put together the cadaver building blocks
The edifice of the homeland shall we raise





Drivinmenutz's photo
Sun 01/18/09 10:55 AM



Warning: contains graphic footage of war injuries Link to this video Video showing injuries consistent with the use of shells has been filmed inside hospitals treating Palestinian wounded in Gaza City.

Contact with the shell remnants causes severe burns, sometimes burning the skin to the bone, consistent with descriptions by Ahmed Almi, an Egyptian doctor at the al-Nasser hospital in Khan Younis.

Almi said the entire body of one victim was burned within an hour. It was the first time he had seen the effects of what he called a "chemical weapon".

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jan/16/phosphorus-bombs-video-israel-gaza


Would not surprise me one bit as it's pretty common in the middle east. What does it mean if there was white phosphorus bombs though? Guess i'm not quite sure of what you are getting at... I know it's pretty nasty stuff. Met a few soldiers who got burned from some...
The use of white phosphorus "violates the Geneva Protocol for the Prohibition of the Use in War of Asphyxiating, Poisonous or Other Gases, and of Bacteriological Methods of Warfare. Incendiary agents such as napalm and phosphorus are not considered to be CW agents since they achieve their effect mainly through thermal energy. [Ref. http://www.reachingcriticalwill.org/legal/cw/cwindex.html ]




So white phosphorus is not considered a chemical agent... It can definitely cause some SERIOUS injuries, that's for sure. Are you saying the U.S. should intervene with the Israel/Palastine conflict?

In my personal opinion we need to mind our own business for once. That would include NOT giving money, weapons, etc. to either side. If that's what you are getting at, i back you 100 percent.

karmafury's photo
Sun 01/18/09 10:11 PM



Warning: contains graphic footage of war injuries Link to this video Video showing injuries consistent with the use of shells has been filmed inside hospitals treating Palestinian wounded in Gaza City.

Contact with the shell remnants causes severe burns, sometimes burning the skin to the bone, consistent with descriptions by Ahmed Almi, an Egyptian doctor at the al-Nasser hospital in Khan Younis.

Almi said the entire body of one victim was burned within an hour. It was the first time he had seen the effects of what he called a "chemical weapon".

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jan/16/phosphorus-bombs-video-israel-gaza

"The use of white phosphorus or fuel air explosives are not prohibited or restricted by Protocol II of the Certain Conventional Weapons Convention (CCWC), the Convention on Prohibitions or Restrictions on the Use of Certain Conventional Weapons which may be Deemed to be Excessively Injurious or to have Indiscriminate Effects. "

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/munitions/wp.htm



It is not even part of that Protocol
Would not surprise me one bit as it's pretty common in the middle east. What does it mean if there was white phosphorus bombs though? Guess i'm not quite sure of what you are getting at... I know it's pretty nasty stuff. Met a few soldiers who got burned from some...
The use of white phosphorus "violates the Geneva Protocol for the Prohibition of the Use in War of Asphyxiating, Poisonous or Other Gases, and of Bacteriological Methods of Warfare. Incendiary agents such as napalm and phosphorus are not considered to be CW agents since they achieve their effect mainly through thermal energy. [Ref. http://www.reachingcriticalwill.org/legal/cw/cwindex.html ]




"The use of white phosphorus or fuel air explosives are not prohibited or restricted by Protocol II of the Certain Conventional Weapons Convention (CCWC), the Convention on Prohibitions or Restrictions on the Use of Certain Conventional Weapons which may be Deemed to be Excessively Injurious or to have Indiscriminate Effects. "

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/munitions/wp.htm



It is not even classed as part of the "Protocol for the Prohibition of the Use in War of Asphyxiating, Poisonous or Other Gases, and of Bacteriological Methods of Warfare" It is however specified and classed in Protocol II of the Certain Conventional Weapons Convention (CCWC), the Convention on Prohibitions or Restrictions on the Use of Certain Conventional Weapons.

It's use is not illegal.

madisonman's photo
Sun 01/18/09 10:21 PM




Warning: contains graphic footage of war injuries Link to this video Video showing injuries consistent with the use of shells has been filmed inside hospitals treating Palestinian wounded in Gaza City.

Contact with the shell remnants causes severe burns, sometimes burning the skin to the bone, consistent with descriptions by Ahmed Almi, an Egyptian doctor at the al-Nasser hospital in Khan Younis.

Almi said the entire body of one victim was burned within an hour. It was the first time he had seen the effects of what he called a "chemical weapon".

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jan/16/phosphorus-bombs-video-israel-gaza

"The use of white phosphorus or fuel air explosives are not prohibited or restricted by Protocol II of the Certain Conventional Weapons Convention (CCWC), the Convention on Prohibitions or Restrictions on the Use of Certain Conventional Weapons which may be Deemed to be Excessively Injurious or to have Indiscriminate Effects. "

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/munitions/wp.htm



It is not even part of that Protocol
Would not surprise me one bit as it's pretty common in the middle east. What does it mean if there was white phosphorus bombs though? Guess i'm not quite sure of what you are getting at... I know it's pretty nasty stuff. Met a few soldiers who got burned from some...
The use of white phosphorus "violates the Geneva Protocol for the Prohibition of the Use in War of Asphyxiating, Poisonous or Other Gases, and of Bacteriological Methods of Warfare. Incendiary agents such as napalm and phosphorus are not considered to be CW agents since they achieve their effect mainly through thermal energy. [Ref. http://www.reachingcriticalwill.org/legal/cw/cwindex.html ]




"The use of white phosphorus or fuel air explosives are not prohibited or restricted by Protocol II of the Certain Conventional Weapons Convention (CCWC), the Convention on Prohibitions or Restrictions on the Use of Certain Conventional Weapons which may be Deemed to be Excessively Injurious or to have Indiscriminate Effects. "

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/munitions/wp.htm



It is not even classed as part of the "Protocol for the Prohibition of the Use in War of Asphyxiating, Poisonous or Other Gases, and of Bacteriological Methods of Warfare" It is however specified and classed in Protocol II of the Certain Conventional Weapons Convention (CCWC), the Convention on Prohibitions or Restrictions on the Use of Certain Conventional Weapons.

It's use is not illegal.
Its use is illlegal on civilian populations

karmafury's photo
Sun 01/18/09 10:32 PM





Warning: contains graphic footage of war injuries Link to this video Video showing injuries consistent with the use of shells has been filmed inside hospitals treating Palestinian wounded in Gaza City.

Contact with the shell remnants causes severe burns, sometimes burning the skin to the bone, consistent with descriptions by Ahmed Almi, an Egyptian doctor at the al-Nasser hospital in Khan Younis.

Almi said the entire body of one victim was burned within an hour. It was the first time he had seen the effects of what he called a "chemical weapon".

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jan/16/phosphorus-bombs-video-israel-gaza

"The use of white phosphorus or fuel air explosives are not prohibited or restricted by Protocol II of the Certain Conventional Weapons Convention (CCWC), the Convention on Prohibitions or Restrictions on the Use of Certain Conventional Weapons which may be Deemed to be Excessively Injurious or to have Indiscriminate Effects. "

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/munitions/wp.htm



It is not even part of that Protocol
Would not surprise me one bit as it's pretty common in the middle east. What does it mean if there was white phosphorus bombs though? Guess i'm not quite sure of what you are getting at... I know it's pretty nasty stuff. Met a few soldiers who got burned from some...
The use of white phosphorus "violates the Geneva Protocol for the Prohibition of the Use in War of Asphyxiating, Poisonous or Other Gases, and of Bacteriological Methods of Warfare. Incendiary agents such as napalm and phosphorus are not considered to be CW agents since they achieve their effect mainly through thermal energy. [Ref. http://www.reachingcriticalwill.org/legal/cw/cwindex.html ]




"The use of white phosphorus or fuel air explosives are not prohibited or restricted by Protocol II of the Certain Conventional Weapons Convention (CCWC), the Convention on Prohibitions or Restrictions on the Use of Certain Conventional Weapons which may be Deemed to be Excessively Injurious or to have Indiscriminate Effects. "

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/munitions/wp.htm



It is not even classed as part of the "Protocol for the Prohibition of the Use in War of Asphyxiating, Poisonous or Other Gases, and of Bacteriological Methods of Warfare" It is however specified and classed in Protocol II of the Certain Conventional Weapons Convention (CCWC), the Convention on Prohibitions or Restrictions on the Use of Certain Conventional Weapons.

It's use is not illegal.
Its use is illlegal on civilian populations


Yes it is. If used intentionally to cause injuries to civilians or destroy civilian property. It has already been stated by several outside monitor agencies that they will look into it's use.

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