Different group same thing. Israel has control!!




Israel/Gaza: Israeli Blockade Unlawful Despite Gaza Border Breach
Indiscriminate Palestinian Rocket Attacks Violate International Law
January 25, 2008

Israel’s rightful self-defense against unlawful rocket attacks does not justify a blockade that denies civilians the food, fuel and medicine needed to survive, a policy amounting to collective punishment.
Joe Stork, acting director of Human Rights Watch’s Middle East division
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This week’s Gaza-Egypt border breach temporarily eased the humanitarian impact of Israel’s blockade, but Israel as the occupying power remains responsible for the well-being of Gaza’s 1.4 million residents, Human Rights Watch said today. Gazans remain almost completely dependent on Israel for fuel, electricity, medicine, food, and other essential commodities.

Human Rights Watch also called upon Palestinian armed groups in Gaza to stop their indiscriminate rocket attacks into populated areas in Israel in violation of international humanitarian law. The attacks have wounded 82 Israeli civilians in the past six months.

“Israel’s rightful self-defense against unlawful rocket attacks does not justify a blockade that denies civilians the food, fuel and medicine needed to survive, a policy amounting to collective punishment,” said Joe Stork, acting director of Human Rights Watch’s Middle East division. “Gazans can’t turn on the lights, get tap water, buy enough food, or earn a living without Israel’s consent.”

Some Israeli officials have suggested that the temporary breach in the Egypt-Gaza border means that Israel has relinquished all responsibility for Gaza. “We need to understand that when Gaza is open to the other side, we lose responsibility for it,” said Israeli Deputy Defense Minister Matan Vilnai on January 24, 2008. “So we want to disconnect from it.”

Israel withdrew its military forces and settlers from the Gaza Strip in 2005, but it still controls Gaza’s airspace, territorial waters, and land borders – with the exception this week of the Rafah border area with Egypt. Israel is Gaza’s primary supplier of electricity, which is essential for water availability and sewage treatment. In addition, Israel controls Gaza’s telecommunications network, its population registry, and its customs and tax revenues. Israeli security forces have frequently re-entered Gaza at will.



http://www.hrw.org/en/news/2008/01/25/israelgaza-israeli-blockade-unlawful-despite-gaza-border-breach

israel has not used utlities as weapons. they fight against heavily armed military adversaries who are using the population as human shields.

They still control all aspects of life. This is occupation. The Palestinians are controlled by the Israelis. You need need feet on ground just control of the area. Israel definitely had that. Gaza was occupied territory.

never for all aspects of daily life. there has in recent
history always been large arab controlled areas in the
Gaza strip including the UNRWA camps.

in some limited areas where there were jewish settlements,
a long time ago perhaps. most certainly NOT since 2005.

there is no occupation in Gaza except for Hamas who
took control through violence and intimidation.

In 1967 Israel captured the Gaza Strip during the Six Day War.

Why did they do that?

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/67_War.html

"Most of the attacks involved Palestinian guerillas infiltrating Israel from Jordan, the Gaza Strip, and Lebanon."


http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/myths/mf6.html

MYTH

"Israel viewed the territories it captured as conquered lands that were now part of Israel and had no intention of negotiating over their return."

FACT

By the end of the war, Israel had captured enough territory to more than triple the size of the area it controlled, from 8,000 to 26,000 square miles. The victory enabled Israel to unify Jerusalem. Israeli forces had also captured the Sinai, the Golan Heights, the Gaza Strip and the West Bank.

Israel's leaders fully expected to negotiate a peace agreement with their neighbors that would involve some territorial compromise. Almost immediately after the war, Israel's leaders expressed their willingness to negotiate a return of at least some of the territories. Israel subsequently returned all of the Sinai to Egypt, territory claimed by Jordan was returned to the Hashemite Kingdom, and nearly all of the Gaza Strip and more than 40 percent of the West Bank was given to the Palestinians to establish the Palestinian Authority.

To date, approximately 93 percent of the territories won in the defensive war have been given by Israel to its Arab neighbors as a result of negotiations. This demonstrates Israel's willingness to trade land for peace."

Why do they want the Gaza Strip? It is heavily populated.
Where would those people go?

It is was used to run over and kill the poor crippled mans entire family and thats why he is continually defacing it

So, then we all concur that the argument: "A weak side should be allowed to shoot rockets at the strong side without punishment" is a fallacy.

If you support the cause of Palestinians, and using this argument in support of your point, the people supporting Israel think of their BMW, so to speak.

A worthy cause deserves worthy arguments.

I offer this one instead:

To a supporter of Israel: Are you ready to leave your house and your land, IF United Nations decide to give it to relocate the state of Israel there?

If yes, you are worthy to talk further to. If not, then you don't want to walk in Palestinian shoes.

This may-be a bad argument as well, in this case, show me how it is wrong.

Perfect analogy!!!