Brandon, that's just it: "When the 'patient' learns it'. Then they're accountable. That's when cognitive behavior comes to the front. At that point, I believe them accountable.

However, you speak only English and have this problem, and I advise you in French: what's your excuse for not following my professional advice? We tend to think sufferers of this problem have ONLY this limitation because it is at the forefront.

Sorry, but sometimes I get spatial.

Then I wouldn't deal with it. If they aren't dealing, I'm certainly not going to take it on. It's their responsibility not mine.

I'd love them from a distance, and say goodbye.

No woories, I do 2. I think it truly goes back to the idea of self. This world has gotten so far away from natures laws, that the idea of cause and effect are so foreign. Your own cognitive abilities are the bearer of who you are. It is the driving force of self, and when you get away from that, thats when you see problems like these

hello an update on this person of this subject, this woman has decided to call me 20 plus times(within 15hrs) and left nasty and sad and contradictory statements, what has me troubled is the person can not finish a statement and well not sit still, and is extermly paranoid and is like in a trace during any and all discussions,packing her belongings with no thought as to where she will go etc, and her son,has removed things from the house, i would gather to prevent anything further from happening due to canadain laws ,without an incident or statment of danger or indangerment to herself or others, prevents the authurities from steping in. can anyone relate and over any suggestions ,,i am very concerned,thanks

I don't really know. I wish I did. I know if it was a family member of mine, I'd do anything and everything I could to get them committed to get help, even if against their will...........but that is me.

There is no absolute cure, I have lived with a bipolar woman for the past 9 years. They have to see that there is a problem and want to seek help. Meds are not always the answer and they are not a cure,they only help cope. There are all kinds of support groups out there if you can find one and both attend a meeting it may help you both find a way to deal with it. Don't take everything as an attack on you they can not help there mood swings-try to be understanding-walk on eggshells.no pun intended. Read self help books they can't hurt.

A family member, guardian, etc. with legal control needs to get them committed ASAP.

i was advised that if forced or didanything they did not cooperate with i would be arrested,seems kinda stupid to me when i see the situation as more than a simple concern

Can you reach a doctor of theirs?

no , she does not have a regular doc

Family?

yes but sadly on east coast , she is on the west coast

They can still call the authorities, don't you think?

i was told there has to be an eye witnes to any acts or incedents, this has been a very frustrating day with government agentacies

Can you play them the messages that she left you?

well i shall try that , i never thought about it, while i was on the phone with the agentcys

Best of luck to you.

thanks

I doubt anyone forced you to leave, to understand someting is to view without judgement, secondly there is no correct way to deal with any human being, but if you are caring youll seek to uinderstand and choose to help when someone is afflicted with some disorder. Advice, dont expect anything, from anyone this will only lead to fustration and unconcious manipultion on your part because you feel your expectations and planning and thought you put into them are more valid than someone elses subjective experience which is poorly understood. Start by reading, be critical and dont reduce someone to labels and symtoms. I would be more concerned about your behavior and needing to understand why you left. I dont have enough tpo go on, obviousl;y you havent htought this out. SO feel free and ill do my best to help.

Well said.