Yeah, what she said....

I have always been a person that enjoys being outside.

In the nearly fifty years I have been knocking around outdoors I have noticed significant changes with birds. Species out of place and hanging around at odd times.

One that's hard to not notice are the buzzards. When I was a girl their northern range was approximately the southern Michigan border. You rarely saw them in the state and when you did their presence was notable.

For the last ten years or so large numbers of them are among the spring arrivals.

Because they are a large carrion bird they are easy to spot along roadways. They are easily noticed. There is little doubt that their northern ranges have increased.

I know there could be many reasons for this but they are not alone and that is something that provokes some questions. I've noticed many more birds not seen so far north here as well along with a decrease in song birds that has been steady over the years.

Again, there could be multiple factors at play but...

Well said!
Look our best science point more and more toward a problem, think of it this way, regardless of data we have one planet.

If we are wrong about global warming and we waste money trying to stop it, the worse thing that has happened is some wasted resources.

If we are right and do nothing, then we have doomed all life on this planet . . . .

You tell me what is the prudent choice?

Everywhere in Europe we are feeling the changes, we have no 4 seasons anymore. It's more like 2, and the differences between them are not that great either.
The winters we used to have in Germany with lots of snow during December and January are long gone. Here in Ireland I haven't seen snow for years, and they used to have snow in winters too.
And you are telling me there is no Global Warming, no changes in climate?

You better wake up fast.

It's interesting that the media usually shows industrial districts and auto tailpipes when they talk about pollution but some of the most damaging pollutants come from the meat industry.
(From the Food and Agriculture Organization of the UN:)
http://www.fao.org/newsroom/en/news/2006/1000448/index.html

"When emissions from land use and land use change are included, the livestock sector accounts for 9 percent of CO2 deriving from human-related activities, but produces a much larger share of even more harmful greenhouse gases. It generates 65 percent of human-related nitrous oxide, which has 296 times the Global Warming Potential (GWP) of CO2. Most of this comes from manure.

And it accounts for respectively 37 percent of all human-induced methane (23 times as warming as CO2), which is largely produced by the digestive system of ruminants, and 64 percent of ammonia, which contributes significantly to acid rain." (Part of a much larger article circa 2006, they're still urging "Conservation Agriculture" in 2008. I checked.)

From the National Resources Defense Counsel
http://www.nrdc.org/water/pollution/ffarms.asp
A list of pollution effects (nitrates causing spontaneous abortions and blue babies, etc.).

There's even a petition for Al Gore to become vegetarian. Y'know, because he really cares about the environment and stuff.
http://getactive.peta.org/campaign/algore_global_warming

I don't think vegetarians have it right for a number of reasons.

I think it's pretty funny to see these peta people go on about no leather and fur while they wear clothing made from petrochemicals that degrade at an incredibly slow rate. Their faux furs and leathers will be around for longer than the real thing.

How about using less for a start?

Uh, those are the vegans. Vegetarians are mostly about diet.

That's why I keep to natural fibers collected and manufactured by third world orphans, none of that industrial mess.

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Sir, do you know what a vegan is? Do you know what we are talking about at all? Its all about diet for vegans. They are even more restrictive than vegetarians as far as nutrition.

I am a vegetarian, I don't eat meat, don't like eggs and don't drink milk because I grew up on a farm (with a deadly milk allergy).

On top of that, Vegans wouldn't wear leather boots or belts or anything that had to do with the death of any animal. Sometimes to the point of avoiding canned food because certain manufacturers use(d) lard for carbon.

Yes I do know the difference between a vegetarian and a vegan. I am sorry I should have been more specific

Hunters, most of whom consumer the meat the harvest by the way are some of the largest monetary supporters of wetlands and other natural areas.

It's my bet the average hunter contributes more financially than the average vegetarian to land and wildlife preservation.

If anyone necessitates the actual calculation of 1 lb of beef per drain on human resources and planetary necessity, let me know.

Lets just say the vegans and vegetarians are much more cost efficient overall.

Agreed, if it's a real (bow, black powder, pedestrian) natural selection hunt in a predator scarce environment.

The overall problem isn't with the animal eaten, it's how it's produced. We're seeing fewer farmer/rancher open-range, environmentally responsible cattle, in favor of an investor-driven agrobiz barn that resembles a prison with bad waste management.

And, like you said, "How about using less for a start?" Moderation is key.

Lets see it then. I would like a cost effectiveness table produced. If you raise cattle explain how to cut cost. I raise alpaca for fleece and I am making a profit.

How did this go from global warming to vegenism?

Because producing the number of livestock that humans currently produce on planet earth is no joke in terms of the waste generated.

We raised chickens, sheep and boarded horses in SC and FL, but it was Okemah, OK, where I learned about the cattle. They were our neighbor's cattle, so I don't have numbers for you. Basically, they had forgone the barn maintenance and growth hormones for (one example) 75 acres and regular checks. Put the words "free range" on them and they're gold.

Honestly, I wouldn't have the first idea how to apply that to alpacas.

Nitrates, cloudy. Pollution cause to effect.

I'm going to bed, awake since 1AM and my little brain hurts. Ciao.

So its a basic argument of cow farts? O_O

I dunno tho, that jumbo cheese burger looks REALLY good

Alright since you have no clue, let me fill you in:

The cost to raise beef is SUBSTANTIAL. I wont copy and paste a bunch of figures for you but you understand. Thank you.