Oh no a agnostic man doesn't live a life believing there is no god. He lives a life unsure, yet under your idealogy or belief system the agnostic man still gets punished as severly as a atheist.

I don't believe God gets pissed off with anyone. He loves everyone for he created everyone. That is if he exists!

If he doesn't exist then it doesn't matter right, but if he exists then I think he has enough compassion to give you a second chance in life.

if not then I would say that there are humans who are much more forgiving on this planet then the god you worship!

yet as I always say if this idealogy that you believe in works best for you then I say go for it!

you just hang with whoever you please. it's your choice

and you can sneer at whomever you want and they mostly won't care

I know I don't

This unfortunately is why many christians choose to believe, because they are afraid if they don't, they will go to hell.

Let's face it there is no pleasing the god of the bible unless you are willing to give up the very brain you were supposedly given by him/her.

Let's see I will give them a brain, then defy them to use it. I will give them free will but will not allow them to excercise it with out extreme punishment.. and on and on and on...

Oh ya, that's one logical, compassionate God. Let them fear me! Fear has certainly worked on the majority.

I think man may say that, but God does not.
I believe everyone will have an equal opportunity to understand. How that will happen, I cannot tell you but I believe it to be true.

Why I think that it has to be possible is because it clearly says God knows the heart.

For myself personally, nothing man-made can compare to God's mercy.

I do not expect you to believe that if you are not ready to do so, but I do trust that you will be given that opportunity at some point in time.

Sneering? Nah, just amazement is all. It's already been established that you don't care right from your first post. And that is what is so amazing to me, and it's pretty easy to see that many many christians that believe as you do really don't care what happens to anyone outside the christian circle. It does amaze me but doesn't suprise me.

You say that God knows the heart. If this is true then he will know I have the biggest heart a human can ever have and will allow me to feel good in my life and after I pass away even if I don't follow a certain religious system.

love ya britty, hang in there baby, it ain't over till it's over! time, I mean, not creation!

But....our forefathers are humans. God is not.

I, too, believe the verse that Quiet quoted.

Thats a nice thought Britty, and I mean that and I might even accept that if I didn't wonder what the heck God is waiting for to help me and others understand.

Its a comforting thought that you see Gods mercy in that way, but it's kinda sad that so many people don't see the mercy that ordinary humans show to eachother every day in this world. What's more distressing for me is that the God of the bible didn't show half of the mercy that some humans have shown for mankind over the years.

yes so you are saying that our forefathers who are human are more passionate and understanding then God who will only give you one chance?

If so then I can only say whatever fits your fancy!

This is what I believe:

"For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son. And whosoever believeth in him shall have everlasting life"

That fits my fancy.

boo, God is always trying to help all of us, me, you, and everyone else. All we have to do is let him, but we can not make anyone else let him, only ourselves! Don't know if that helps or not! but I say it with all sincerety!

then make sure to say goodbye to your father as he won't make it there. He is agnostic afterall.

That one chance and that is it you know.

Enjoy your fancy

That's why I've thought about it so much. But..it's his choice.

I've found that I don't enjoy your religious threads, btw.

Edit: Thank you for what you said about my father. That was nice.

so smiless, are you judge his father, that must mean that you reall do believe that there is a god that is all powerfull and that you are it? no? I'm confused here, but thats Ok. it ain't the first time and it wont be the last.

I don't judge anyone, but the God that Christians worship believe if one doesn't believe in Christ Savior then one is not permitted to heaven.

She indicated if you scroll up that she often wonders (pertaining to my question I ask) what will happen to a agnostic person in which she indicates that her father is one.

Now if she believes in the Bible then she should know that her father (agnostic) will not make it.

I have such a hard time with that statement. God would give his loving son over to such a horrid death to save us?

If I tried to use that as an excuse to save another's soul I would be put in chains. But of course the god of the bible can afford to be cruel, after all he's the boss..

Marty if one thing I know for sure, it's that you are a sincere guy, I have no doubt about it and you have given me no reason to suspect otherwise.

And you can be sure of one thing, I spent years trying to let 'him', but he must be very very busy, cuz he never called back and he never showed up.. And I am tired of waiting while I am called heathen, queer, unmoral etc etc etc by his followers. One can only take so many years of that. And at 58, I don't have much more time to wait for a god that should be at least more decent than his followers.

For some of you who are not confused, are not gay, are not atheist are not whatever and fit so well into main stream thinking, I wager it's much easier to be so convinced that god is helping, after all what do you have to suffer other than what we all do in this life. You don't have the extra baggage to contend with. But for those of us that do not fit the Christian ideal, it's not so easy to be sure of anything, and especially when those very Christians say they just plain don't care. You either believe or you suffer the consequences of not believing.

I don't want to dislike Christians, and I bend over back wards to be accommodating in most cases, but there are times when I wish i never heard of religion and Christians, now add Muslims and how many of them think of anyone that isn't Muslim, and it's enough to make you nuts.

smiless wrote:I don't judge anyone, but the God that Christians worship believe if one doesn't believe in Christ Savior then one is not permitted to heaven.

She indicated if you scroll up that she often wonders (pertaining to my question I ask) what will happen to a agnostic person in which she indicates that her father is one.

Now if she believes in the Bible then she should know that her father (agnostic) will not make it.
Edited by smiless on Fri 12/05/08 10:53 AM
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Smiless, maybe this could help> christians are just people like anyone else, not all who profess christ are of that undersatnding of the bible. its a very involved issue, not to be taken lightly. I will leave you with this, Christ probably was speaking about his teaching's, not just his blood!

Smiless,

Why were you rude to me about my father?

How am I rude? I am stating the facts of what Christians belief concerning the Bible they study.

If a Christian says that one has to believe in Christ savior to make it to heaven then a agnostic person who is unsure will not make it.
That is not being rude. You can believe in anything you want! If you wake up in the morning happy and remain a happy person throughout the day then that is all that counts.

I wish you and your father only the best and never think less of anyone on this site.

I just think that you have to understand that what you believe is something your father doesn't believe in. Now if he changes his mind later on that is yet to remain.

I hope either way whatever seems to be true Christian or not that everyone on this planet finds a happy ending. This is what I believe.

I believe in second chances also