ah well...no matter how it comes out the republicans can claim they were right.

They can obstruct, fly fear factor politics and point fingers while ignoring facts.

Pay no attention to the fact they are fighting amongst themselves (have we heard that about the Democrats) and that the republican party is trying to redefine it's identity.

The Republicans, in an effort to play the us against them politics of fear made immigration an issue and then quietly put the breaks on when they realized the might need the Hispanic vote. (Can you say hypocrite?) Now they are fighting about it.

/sits back and grabs the popcorn

Deportation efforts defended
Chertoff's letter to Perry reveals a clash of the titans
By JAMES PINKERTON Copyright 2008 Houston Chronicle
Nov. 21, 2008, 11:24PM


U.S. Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff fired back Friday at Gov. Rick Perry's sharp criticism of federal efforts to deport illegal immigrants booked into Texas jails.

Chertoff sent Perry a four-page letter defending what he termed as aggressive and expanded efforts by the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) to remove illegal immigrants, while complaining of a lack of cooperation from local law enforcement who jailed them for criminal offenses.

"ICE, however, cannot remove and deport criminal aliens in State or local jails that it does not know about,' " Chertoff wrote. "State and local officials have to be willing to share that information in a timely fashion in order for such removal to take place."

Perry blasted DHS after a three-part Houston Chronicle series published last week indicated only one of four illegal immigrants booked into the Harris County Jail were processed by ICE for removal, allowing a number of immigrants to be released who later committed serious crimes.

The governor characterized the ICE removal operation as a "de facto catch and release program," and asked that ICE provide all Texas law enforcement agencies with access to an immigration database that contains fingerprints of immigrants with criminal records.

"I am outraged to learn that thousands of criminal aliens in our Texas jails who should have been detained, removed and deported ... were instead released back onto our streets after they completed their jail sentence," Perry wrote in a Nov. 18 letter to Chertoff.

Friday's letter from Chertoff was a continuation of a clash between the two officials, and followed Perry's ire on Thursday when DHS officials confirmed Texas would get a lower level of reimbursement for debris removal than Louisiana received after Hurricane Katrina.

In his letter, Chertoff said newspaper reports "fail to state that Harris County did not share with ICE existing lists it maintains of detainees who reported they were foreign born." Chertoff said the agency only received the list from Harris County on Nov. 18, and is vetting the database to determine the immigration status of each detainee.

Spurred by officer's death
Harris County Sheriff's Office Capt. John Martin said the department first began asking non-citizens booked into the jail about their legal presence on Sept. 29, 2006. The new policy was implemented after the murder of Houston police officer Rodney Johnson earlier that month by an illegal immigrant who was previously convicted of a crime, was deported, and returned to Houston.

Martin confirmed ICE was not given a list of all those who had acknowledged they were here illegally, but added that ICE agents stationed in the jail were notified immediately of the inmate's immigration status as the jailers learned of it.

"That information was provided to ICE as we obtained it, but we had not provided all of that information in one continuous list," Martin said. "The information that is in the list that Secretary Chertoff was referring to was provided on a daily basis, as it was obtained."

Perry spokeswoman Katherine Cesinger said Perry took issue with sections of Chertoff's letter, including his claim some Texas law officials, whom he did not identify, are not receptive to installing links to ICE fingerprint database in other Texas counties.

"As you know, such cooperation has not always been forthcoming in some parts of Texas," Chertoff wrote.

In October, Harris County was the first jail to partner with ICE in its Secure Communities Program, a nationwide system that allows local officials access to FBI and ICE fingerprint and biometric criminal databases.

"Honestly, we don't know, or are aware of, any law enforcement entity in Texas that would not want to have more information at their fingertips to protect their community," Cesinger said.

And, Perry has long pressed DHS for that type of access to criminal databases so officers can "connect the dots," she said.

"The governor has been pushing for this information-sharing from DHS for over two years now," Cesinger said.

"If someone is brought into a jail, and that law enforcement entity has access to the federal database with information whether that person is a criminal alien, then the referral to the appropriate federal authority can happen immediately. Without that information, law enforcement doesn't have the tools they need, and should have, to protect their communities."

Immigration detainers
Chertoff noted that Congress provided $200 million this year for the fingerprint database sharing program, and supplied an additional $150 million in the next two federal fiscal years.

"ICE's multi-layered approach to the criminal alien problem is already producing results both in Texas and nationwide," Chertoff told Perry.

In Houston, ICE detention and removal agents filed more than 7,206 immigration detainers against illegal immigrants booked into the Harris County jail from Dec. 29, 2007 to Nov. 10, Chertoff wrote. ICE officials file immigration detainers to hold jailed immigrants so they can be deported or prosecuted on immigration charges after local charges are resolved.

Chertoff's letter also outlined recent steps ICE and Harris County have taken to remove illegal immigrants with criminal records, including the deployment of 10 ICE agents to the jail and the training of county jailers to process ICE removal paperwork.

"To correct the problem at its source, Harris County and the City of Houston have recently agreed to work with ICE on a series of actions that were not fully acknowledged in the press reports," Chertoff wrote.

Martin said the sheriff's office and ICE not only have "a long history of working very well together" but have improved methods to screen illegal immigrants booked into jail.

"Collectively, we have gotten much better in recent years in identifying illegal aliens being booked into the Harris County Jail, as evidenced by the significant increase in the number of detainers (immigration) being placed on inmates," Martin said. "We have every reason to expect that good working relationship will continue for the foreseeable future."

james.pinkerton@chron.com

"The Republicans, in an effort to play the us against them politics of fear made immigration an issue and then quietly put the breaks on when they realized the might need the Hispanic vote. (Can you say hypocrite?) Now they are fighting about it."



I noticed that too.

I for one am glad that the illegal immigration problems were brought up. It is in fact a problem that the majority of democrats ignore. But i fully stand behind the fact that there is a lot of overlap between democrats and republicans nowadays. If you want to find the good you have to reach beyond the party lines.

It is widely known that both Obama's and McCain's campaigns tried to legalize illegals to vote. They were both after all they votes they could get, starting false political desputes on get people to think they have different stances.

CFR owns the mass media. They picked Obama as the next president months, if not years ago.


I think it's funny that the same people that "complain" have made no effort to actually do anything about it. I also think it's funny, and sad how the majority of democrats and republicans completely ignore our problems. I say we call them all out on their psuedo-party affiliation...

tip toeing through the thread with you

(in terrible tiny tim voice)

i could smoke a pound of pot and not get that high

that's the problem. they've turned it into a partisan us against them issue

and meanwhile Texas is inundated with millons of people who aren't here legally and flooding the schools and hospitals and social services and sucking up millions of tax dollars

the Federales are escorting drug shipments into the United States and attacking the Border Patrol with military weapons and tactics

kidnapping was a big business in Mexico and now they are crossing the border to kidnap Americans

and the politicians try to play it off as a liberal/conservative issue

<--------Says nothing, and keeps saying it

can i say nothing with you

Of course you can, it's a free Country, isn't it?
And you of all are most welcome to keep me company in saying nothing.

cool

this subject is not so erie

but the results could be scary

Haven't we seen it all in earlier times?

I'll just sit back and watch

yes i think so

me too

This thread has been done a kazillion times and has banned more people from mingle than ever.

I vote for world peace without borders!!!

and Id like to teach the world to sing

in perfect harmonyyyyyyyyyyyy

Id like to buy the world a coke!!!

I forget the rest!!!

We can't even have an online social site without tribalism & territories, let alone a whole planet.

How right you are littlered!

I think everyone in this country is too some degree a illegal alien. Except for the Native Americans.

how do you know there was no one here before them ??????????