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Topic: Science as a religion
hansomguy Joined Sat 11/22/08 Posts: 9	Tue 01/06/09 04:50 AM
Science and religion both opperate on the same principal, that is faith. The religious person has faith that their god will bring the sun up in the morning, the scientist has faith that with the physical laws applied the sun will come up in the morning. The religious person prays, the scientist measures both are ritualistic, both are looking for answers. The religious person has faith the prayer will be answered, the scientist has faith the instrument is working correctly.

Strange Joined Mon 12/08/08 Posts: 153	Tue 01/06/09 06:24 AM
Science and religion both opperate on the same principal, that is faith. The religious person has faith that their god will bring the sun up in the morning, the scientist has faith that with the physical laws applied the sun will come up in the morning. The religious person prays, the scientist measures both are ritualistic, both are looking for answers. The religious person has faith the prayer will be answered, the scientist has faith the instrument is working correctly.

Strange Joined Mon 12/08/08 Posts: 153	Tue 01/06/09 06:24 AM
Science and religion both opperate on the same principal, that is faith. The religious person has faith that their god will bring the sun up in the morning, the scientist has faith that with the physical laws applied the sun will come up in the morning. The religious person prays, the scientist measures both are ritualistic, both are looking for answers. The religious person has faith the prayer will be answered, the scientist has faith the instrument is working correctly. OH Come on, change your display name.

hansomguy Joined Sat 11/22/08 Posts: 9	Tue 01/06/09 03:17 PM
change it to what?

Bushidobillyclub Joined Fri 05/11/07 Posts: 5689	Tue 01/06/09 04:51 PM
Science and religion both opperate on the same principal, that is faith. The religious person has faith that their god will bring the sun up in the morning, the scientist has faith that with the physical laws applied the sun will come up in the morning. The religious person prays, the scientist measures both are ritualistic, both are looking for answers. The religious person has faith the prayer will be answered, the scientist has faith the instrument is working correctly. The difference is the scientist can explain rationally why he accepts these things as true . . . That is a very large distinction. In fact it has been used as the basis for sanity . . .

hansomguy Joined Sat 11/22/08 Posts: 9	Tue 01/06/09 05:54 PM
Science and religion both opperate on the same principal, that is faith. The religious person has faith that their god will bring the sun up in the morning, the scientist has faith that with the physical laws applied the sun will come up in the morning. The religious person prays, the scientist measures both are ritualistic, both are looking for answers. The religious person has faith the prayer will be answered, the scientist has faith the instrument is working correctly. The difference is the scientist can explain rationally why he accepts these things as true . . . That is a very large distinction. In fact it has been used as the basis for sanity . . . All I'm saying is the scientific and religious way of thinking is outdated and flawed, for example the pre Copernicus scientists could explain rationally why everything in the universe revolved around the earth and were regarded by their peers as sane. There are things in this universe that neither science or religion can account for. Yet we struggle to accept these things because it doesn't fit into our way of thinking, and if you speak of them you're regarded as a crackpot.

Bushidobillyclub Joined Fri 05/11/07 Posts: 5689	Wed 01/07/09 04:13 PM
Science and religion both opperate on the same principal, that is faith. The religious person has faith that their god will bring the sun up in the morning, the scientist has faith that with the physical laws applied the sun will come up in the morning. The religious person prays, the scientist measures both are ritualistic, both are looking for answers. The religious person has faith the prayer will be answered, the scientist has faith the instrument is working correctly. The difference is the scientist can explain rationally why he accepts these things as true . . . That is a very large distinction. In fact it has been used as the basis for sanity . . . All I'm saying is the scientific and religious way of thinking is outdated and flawed, for example the pre Copernicus scientists could explain rationally why everything in the universe revolved around the earth and were regarded by their peers as sane. There are things in this universe that neither science or religion can account for. Yet we struggle to accept these things because it doesn't fit into our way of thinking, and if you speak of them you're regarded as a crackpot. We may not be able to explain everything currently, or maybe at all . . . but we may just one day, but not if we give up, and the only method that has yielded results is science.

Dragoness Joined Wed 10/17/07 Posts: 23320	Wed 01/07/09 04:18 PM
Is science a religion for some people? What does that even mean? Because most religions have a sense of "magic" to them and science deals in provable facts, as far as I can see, there is no way to cross the line on this one.

electrickgreen Joined Wed 01/07/09 Posts: 23	Wed 01/07/09 08:32 PM
science, like math, leads to concrete answers. proven facts that require little faith. religion requires faith and does not always lead us down a clear path. is having a baby just biology?? O not really. Math and Science are separate. Nothing in Science is ever "proven" a "best explanation" or "theory" doesn't necessitate reality or attempt to make a claim about it in the positive sense, science is just as much also about being falsifiable. If you cannot plausibly falsify it, its not science. Math on the other hand is more so absolute in trying to find an answer through basic rules rather than experiment and predictions. Its the difference between top down causality as bottom up.

electrickgreen Joined Wed 01/07/09 Posts: 23	Wed 01/07/09 08:41 PM
Science and religion both opperate on the same principal, that is faith. The religious person has faith that their god will bring the sun up in the morning, the scientist has faith that with the physical laws applied the sun will come up in the morning. The religious person prays, the scientist measures both are ritualistic, both are looking for answers. The religious person has faith the prayer will be answered, the scientist has faith the instrument is working correctly. The difference is the scientist can explain rationally why he accepts these things as true . . . That is a very large distinction. In fact it has been used as the basis for sanity . . . All I'm saying is the scientific and religious way of thinking is outdated and flawed, for example the pre Copernicus scientists could explain rationally why everything in the universe revolved around the earth and were regarded by their peers as sane. There are things in this universe that neither science or religion can account for. Yet we struggle to accept these things because it doesn't fit into our way of thinking, and if you speak of them you're regarded as a crackpot. You regard the idea of being 'seen as sane' as if it has some stake on the nature of what reality is. But unfortunately for that argument while that view was still "sane" all the same as it is viewed "insane" in todays world the reality of the sun and the earths relationship has never flipped flopped or changed on the account of anyones beliefs (both sides would agree here). And if you don't understand the difference in attaining this answer from the Bible/religion vs attaining it from science then you really dont know what your talking about anyway.

Strange Joined Mon 12/08/08 Posts: 153	Thu 01/08/09 04:32 AM
science, like math, leads to concrete answers. proven facts that require little faith. religion requires faith and does not always lead us down a clear path. is having a baby just biology?? O not really. Math and Science are separate. Nothing in Science is ever "proven" a "best explanation" or "theory" doesn't necessitate reality or attempt to make a claim about it in the positive sense, science is just as much also about being falsifiable. If you cannot plausibly falsify it, its not science. Math on the other hand is more so absolute in trying to find an answer through basic rules rather than experiment and predictions. Its the difference between top down causality as bottom up. Math is more absolute? how so? See Godels therom. Math isnt about experiment, check out string therory, those big particle accelerators they use, nah no math the no therorys. Math is an intimate part of science as well as abundant with theroy.

Krimsa Joined Fri 04/25/08 Posts: 9960	Thu 01/08/09 05:55 AM
Pretty much only religious fanatics say that science is a religion for other people. Took the words right out of my mouth.

Giocamo Joined Tue 08/19/08 Posts: 3297	Thu 01/08/09 06:52 AM
Pretty much only religious fanatics say that science is a religion for other people. Took the words right out of my mouth.

Krimsa Joined Fri 04/25/08 Posts: 9960	Thu 01/08/09 06:54 AM
Well speak up Mr. Grummbly face.

Ruth34611 Joined Sat 08/02/08 Posts: 32402	Thu 01/08/09 07:00 AM
Wow, when I started this topic I didn't think it would last 15 minutes. Guess I should pay better attention to my threads.

Bushidobillyclub Joined Fri 05/11/07 Posts: 5689	Thu 01/08/09 07:04 AM Edited by Bushidobillyclub on Thu 01/08/09 07:27 AM
Well if we are going to do the absurd and compare religion and science I can make at least one observation. I have never seen anyone blow someone else up because others didn't believing in their theories. If its happened I haven't heard of it, but only flip open your news paper to get a daily dose of religion provoking this response.

Krimsa Joined Fri 04/25/08 Posts: 9960	Thu 01/08/09 07:13 AM
Thats true. Generally scientists will not condemn you to hell for rejecting their theories.