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I know somebody that did damage when using and operating heavy equipment. My ex's brother was killed from a drunk driver. I am sensitive about this issue. and you have that right i am sorry for your loss 
free speech gives you the right to say what you want but the law is in place and it still happens and anyone under the influence should get a manditory double time sentence Thank you, Adj4u. 
I hope I was clear in what I said in that the two incidents that I know of are separate incidents. |
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someone sent me this...not a bad idea...if I do say so myself... Like a lot of folks in this state, I have a job. I work, they pay me. I pay my taxes and the government distributes my taxes as it sees fit. In order to get that paycheck, I am required to pass a random urine test with which I have no problem. What I do have a problem with is the distribution of my taxes to people who don't have to pass a urine test. Shouldn't one have to pass a urine test to get a welfare check because I have to pass one to earn it for them? Please understand, I have no problem with helping people get back on their feet. I do, on the other hand, ! have a problem with helping someone sitting on their ass, doing drugs, while I work. . .Can you imagine how much money the state would save if people had to pass a urine test to get a public assistance check? what ever happened to the 5th ammendment anyway violation to drug test before a incident and afterwards as well ------------------------------------------- Amendment 5 - Trial and Punishment, Compensation for Takings. Ratified 12/15/1791. No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation ------------------------------------- nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation ---- yer being forced to be a witness against your self and they confiscate proberty with out compensation as well free country my azz nice color dont ya think  The constitution is a joke anyways.It has about as much value as toilet paper.Any lawyer can tell you that.The government and the police and judges don't go by it.You dont really have any rights.We just think we do.
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Funny, funny, funny, guys! Urine tests are use to determine that the person who is being paid to do the job is "capable" of doing the job. It's useless in determining need for assistance...free will and all! Plus, I thought the Conservative view was against regulation? Is regulation ok for the poor, but not ok for the wealthy? For the record, I don't believe anyone should be drug tested. The only thing it does is absolve those is charge of the responsibility of identifying problems while they are happening.
I thought the Conservative view was against regulation?...in this case...it's regulation for the non-producers... lots of those non producers are single moms or people too sick to work.When you cut off benefits you screw kids or the elderly.lots of people losing jobs will not seek help because of the unfair stigma put on getting help.shameful. |
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someone sent me this...not a bad idea...if I do say so myself... Like a lot of folks in this state, I have a job. I work, they pay me. I pay my taxes and the government distributes my taxes as it sees fit. In order to get that paycheck, I am required to pass a random urine test with which I have no problem. What I do have a problem with is the distribution of my taxes to people who don't have to pass a urine test. Shouldn't one have to pass a urine test to get a welfare check because I have to pass one to earn it for them? Please understand, I have no problem with helping people get back on their feet. I do, on the other hand, ! have a problem with helping someone sitting on their ass, doing drugs, while I work. . .Can you imagine how much money the state would save if people had to pass a urine test to get a public assistance check? what ever happened to the 5th ammendment anyway violation to drug test before a incident and afterwards as well ------------------------------------------- Amendment 5 - Trial and Punishment, Compensation for Takings. Ratified 12/15/1791. No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation ------------------------------------- nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation ---- yer being forced to be a witness against your self and they confiscate proberty with out compensation as well free country my azz nice color dont ya think The constitution is a joke anyways.It has about as much value as toilet paper.Any lawyer can tell you that.The government and the police and judges don't go by it.You dont really have any rights.We just think we do.
The Constitution has a lot of value but we the people need to take back our government.It offends me to hear a great document compared to toilet paper. As for drug testing,the people in my building are responsible for the care and safety of the residents.If you are high you aren't prepared for an emergency or to steady a shaky oldster.I have no problem with it. |
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As for drug testing,the people in my building are responsible for the care and safety of the residents.If you are high you aren't prepared for an emergency or to steady a shaky oldster.I have no problem with it. Yeah if you are high you probably arent capable, but if you smoked a doobie the previous night are you gonna be high? |
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Funny, funny, funny, guys! Urine tests are use to determine that the person who is being paid to do the job is "capable" of doing the job. It's useless in determining need for assistance...free will and all! Plus, I thought the Conservative view was against regulation? Is regulation ok for the poor, but not ok for the wealthy? For the record, I don't believe anyone should be drug tested. The only thing it does is absolve those is charge of the responsibility of identifying problems while they are happening.
I thought the Conservative view was against regulation?...in this case...it's regulation for the non-producers... lots of those non producers are single moms or people too sick to work.When you cut off benefits you screw kids or the elderly.lots of people losing jobs will not seek help because of the unfair stigma put on getting help.shameful. people too sick to work is whole nother ballgame..my bro gets disability...as for single mothers...the original post is about staying clean and getting benefits...really no that hard to do...especially if your childs life lies in the balance... |
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Edited by
cutelildevilsmom
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As for drug testing,the people in my building are responsible for the care and safety of the residents.If you are high you aren't prepared for an emergency or to steady a shaky oldster.I have no problem with it. Yeah if you are high you probably arent capable, but if you smoked a doobie the previous night are you gonna be high? They don't do random testing but if you smoked the night before,don't get in an accident because before you fill out an incident report you are tested.If positive,goodbye.In NH you don't need a reason to quit and they don't need one to fire. It's called work at will. |
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As for drug testing,the people in my building are responsible for the care and safety of the residents.If you are high you aren't prepared for an emergency or to steady a shaky oldster.I have no problem with it. Yeah if you are high you probably arent capable, but if you smoked a doobie the previous night are you gonna be high? They don't do random testing but if you smoked the night before,don't get in an accident because before you fill out an incident report you are tested.If positive,goodbye.In NH you don't need a reason to quit and they don't need one to fire. It's called work at will. You have a good head on your shoulders!
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someone sent me this...not a bad idea...if I do say so myself... Like a lot of folks in this state, I have a job. I work, they pay me. I pay my taxes and the government distributes my taxes as it sees fit. In order to get that paycheck, I am required to pass a random urine test with which I have no problem. What I do have a problem with is the distribution of my taxes to people who don't have to pass a urine test. Shouldn't one have to pass a urine test to get a welfare check because I have to pass one to earn it for them? Please understand, I have no problem with helping people get back on their feet. I do, on the other hand, ! have a problem with helping someone sitting on their ass, doing drugs, while I work. . .Can you imagine how much money the state would save if people had to pass a urine test to get a public assistance check? Sounds kinda like accusing the poor of a crime. And even if the parents do drugs, the kids will still need to get food from somewhere. And does this mean the rich can do drugs?
I can't see the crime angle in this..I think if you had to stay clean to get your money...that's actually a good thing...at what point are parents held accountable for their actions ?...at what point is the call for responsibility required ? Ignorant statement at best. 
You really have NO idea how the system works. You see, let me enlighten you just a bit. I am a former welfare recipiant. I got 190 bucks a month, that was for me and my son. That is what a family of two recieves in the state of Alabama. In turn for getting the money I had to go to school full time or work full time. I started school, but realized that I still didn't have enough money for my son, so I got a full time job. I was cut off after six months and now my sons father is paying every red cent the state paid me back to the state. So I never took from taxpayers, considering I worked and paid taxes as well, and it's getting paid back. Why should I have to take a urine test to get a little help to get on my feet? You really need to know what the hell your talking about before you start complaining of people getting welfare. 190 bucks a month isn't living a lavish lifestyle. |
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someone sent me this...not a bad idea...if I do say so myself... Like a lot of folks in this state, I have a job. I work, they pay me. I pay my taxes and the government distributes my taxes as it sees fit. In order to get that paycheck, I am required to pass a random urine test with which I have no problem. What I do have a problem with is the distribution of my taxes to people who don't have to pass a urine test. Shouldn't one have to pass a urine test to get a welfare check because I have to pass one to earn it for them? Please understand, I have no problem with helping people get back on their feet. I do, on the other hand, ! have a problem with helping someone sitting on their ass, doing drugs, while I work. . .Can you imagine how much money the state would save if people had to pass a urine test to get a public assistance check? Sounds kinda like accusing the poor of a crime. And even if the parents do drugs, the kids will still need to get food from somewhere. And does this mean the rich can do drugs?
I can't see the crime angle in this..I think if you had to stay clean to get your money...that's actually a good thing...at what point are parents held accountable for their actions ?...at what point is the call for responsibility required ? Ignorant statement at best.
You really have NO idea how the system works. You see, let me enlighten you just a bit. I am a former welfare recipiant. I got 190 bucks a month, that was for me and my son. That is what a family of two recieves in the state of Alabama. In turn for getting the money I had to go to school full time or work full time. I started school, but realized that I still didn't have enough money for my son, so I got a full time job. I was cut off after six months and now my sons father is paying every red cent the state paid me back to the state. So I never took from taxpayers, considering I worked and paid taxes as well, and it's getting paid back. Why should I have to take a urine test to get a little help to get on my feet? You really need to know what the hell your talking about before you start complaining of people getting welfare. 190 bucks a month isn't living a lavish lifestyle. your's is one case...shall we go over the other 40 million or so...take the test...get your money...how hard is that... |
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someone sent me this...not a bad idea...if I do say so myself... Like a lot of folks in this state, I have a job. I work, they pay me. I pay my taxes and the government distributes my taxes as it sees fit. In order to get that paycheck, I am required to pass a random urine test with which I have no problem. What I do have a problem with is the distribution of my taxes to people who don't have to pass a urine test. Shouldn't one have to pass a urine test to get a welfare check because I have to pass one to earn it for them? Please understand, I have no problem with helping people get back on their feet. I do, on the other hand, ! have a problem with helping someone sitting on their ass, doing drugs, while I work. . .Can you imagine how much money the state would save if people had to pass a urine test to get a public assistance check? Sounds kinda like accusing the poor of a crime. And even if the parents do drugs, the kids will still need to get food from somewhere. And does this mean the rich can do drugs?
I can't see the crime angle in this..I think if you had to stay clean to get your money...that's actually a good thing...at what point are parents held accountable for their actions ?...at what point is the call for responsibility required ? Ignorant statement at best.
You really have NO idea how the system works. You see, let me enlighten you just a bit. I am a former welfare recipiant. I got 190 bucks a month, that was for me and my son. That is what a family of two recieves in the state of Alabama. In turn for getting the money I had to go to school full time or work full time. I started school, but realized that I still didn't have enough money for my son, so I got a full time job. I was cut off after six months and now my sons father is paying every red cent the state paid me back to the state. So I never took from taxpayers, considering I worked and paid taxes as well, and it's getting paid back. Why should I have to take a urine test to get a little help to get on my feet? You really need to know what the hell your talking about before you start complaining of people getting welfare. 190 bucks a month isn't living a lavish lifestyle. $190/month!!! That's disgraceful. 
I knew that in my state they weren't getting enough to survive but it sure beats $190/month. |
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You agreed to take a job that requires a urine test. Thats YOUR problem, not mine buddy!
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someone sent me this...not a bad idea...if I do say so myself... Like a lot of folks in this state, I have a job. I work, they pay me. I pay my taxes and the government distributes my taxes as it sees fit. In order to get that paycheck, I am required to pass a random urine test with which I have no problem. What I do have a problem with is the distribution of my taxes to people who don't have to pass a urine test. Shouldn't one have to pass a urine test to get a welfare check because I have to pass one to earn it for them? Please understand, I have no problem with helping people get back on their feet. I do, on the other hand, ! have a problem with helping someone sitting on their ass, doing drugs, while I work. . .Can you imagine how much money the state would save if people had to pass a urine test to get a public assistance check? Sounds kinda like accusing the poor of a crime. And even if the parents do drugs, the kids will still need to get food from somewhere. And does this mean the rich can do drugs?
I can't see the crime angle in this..I think if you had to stay clean to get your money...that's actually a good thing...at what point are parents held accountable for their actions ?...at what point is the call for responsibility required ? Ignorant statement at best.
You really have NO idea how the system works. You see, let me enlighten you just a bit. I am a former welfare recipiant. I got 190 bucks a month, that was for me and my son. That is what a family of two recieves in the state of Alabama. In turn for getting the money I had to go to school full time or work full time. I started school, but realized that I still didn't have enough money for my son, so I got a full time job. I was cut off after six months and now my sons father is paying every red cent the state paid me back to the state. So I never took from taxpayers, considering I worked and paid taxes as well, and it's getting paid back. Why should I have to take a urine test to get a little help to get on my feet? You really need to know what the hell your talking about before you start complaining of people getting welfare. 190 bucks a month isn't living a lavish lifestyle. $190/month!!! That's disgraceful.
I knew that in my state they weren't getting enough to survive but it sure beats $190/month. Even SSI pays about $600 a month |
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As for drug testing,the people in my building are responsible for the care and safety of the residents.If you are high you aren't prepared for an emergency or to steady a shaky oldster.I have no problem with it. Yeah if you are high you probably arent capable, but if you smoked a doobie the previous night are you gonna be high? They don't do random testing but if you smoked the night before,don't get in an accident because before you fill out an incident report you are tested.If positive,goodbye.In NH you don't need a reason to quit and they don't need one to fire. It's called work at will. Yes maybe that is the way it works, but that wasnt my point. My point was that is somebody smokes a joint the previous night the next day they are completely capable of doing their job. |
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someone sent me this...not a bad idea...if I do say so myself... Like a lot of folks in this state, I have a job. I work, they pay me. I pay my taxes and the government distributes my taxes as it sees fit. In order to get that paycheck, I am required to pass a random urine test with which I have no problem. What I do have a problem with is the distribution of my taxes to people who don't have to pass a urine test. Shouldn't one have to pass a urine test to get a welfare check because I have to pass one to earn it for them? Please understand, I have no problem with helping people get back on their feet. I do, on the other hand, ! have a problem with helping someone sitting on their ass, doing drugs, while I work. . .Can you imagine how much money the state would save if people had to pass a urine test to get a public assistance check? Sounds kinda like accusing the poor of a crime. And even if the parents do drugs, the kids will still need to get food from somewhere. And does this mean the rich can do drugs?
I can't see the crime angle in this..I think if you had to stay clean to get your money...that's actually a good thing...at what point are parents held accountable for their actions ?...at what point is the call for responsibility required ? Ignorant statement at best.
You really have NO idea how the system works. You see, let me enlighten you just a bit. I am a former welfare recipiant. I got 190 bucks a month, that was for me and my son. That is what a family of two recieves in the state of Alabama. In turn for getting the money I had to go to school full time or work full time. I started school, but realized that I still didn't have enough money for my son, so I got a full time job. I was cut off after six months and now my sons father is paying every red cent the state paid me back to the state. So I never took from taxpayers, considering I worked and paid taxes as well, and it's getting paid back. Why should I have to take a urine test to get a little help to get on my feet? You really need to know what the hell your talking about before you start complaining of people getting welfare. 190 bucks a month isn't living a lavish lifestyle. $190/month!!! That's disgraceful.
I knew that in my state they weren't getting enough to survive but it sure beats $190/month. Yep, it was like a slap in the face. But it did help me get diapers and things for my son. : ) |
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You agreed to take a job that requires a urine test. Thats YOUR problem, not mine buddy! the key word is " job "...when the taxpayer is payin' your way...I think a little piss ...for a little doe is fair...don't you ? |
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someone sent me this...not a bad idea...if I do say so myself... Like a lot of folks in this state, I have a job. I work, they pay me. I pay my taxes and the government distributes my taxes as it sees fit. In order to get that paycheck, I am required to pass a random urine test with which I have no problem. What I do have a problem with is the distribution of my taxes to people who don't have to pass a urine test. Shouldn't one have to pass a urine test to get a welfare check because I have to pass one to earn it for them? Please understand, I have no problem with helping people get back on their feet. I do, on the other hand, ! have a problem with helping someone sitting on their ass, doing drugs, while I work. . .Can you imagine how much money the state would save if people had to pass a urine test to get a public assistance check? Sounds kinda like accusing the poor of a crime. And even if the parents do drugs, the kids will still need to get food from somewhere. And does this mean the rich can do drugs?
I can't see the crime angle in this..I think if you had to stay clean to get your money...that's actually a good thing...at what point are parents held accountable for their actions ?...at what point is the call for responsibility required ? Ignorant statement at best.
You really have NO idea how the system works. You see, let me enlighten you just a bit. I am a former welfare recipiant. I got 190 bucks a month, that was for me and my son. That is what a family of two recieves in the state of Alabama. In turn for getting the money I had to go to school full time or work full time. I started school, but realized that I still didn't have enough money for my son, so I got a full time job. I was cut off after six months and now my sons father is paying every red cent the state paid me back to the state. So I never took from taxpayers, considering I worked and paid taxes as well, and it's getting paid back. Why should I have to take a urine test to get a little help to get on my feet? You really need to know what the hell your talking about before you start complaining of people getting welfare. 190 bucks a month isn't living a lavish lifestyle. $190/month!!! That's disgraceful.
I knew that in my state they weren't getting enough to survive but it sure beats $190/month. Even SSI pays about $600 a month I thought it was around $500. When did it go up? |
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Edited by
Winx
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You agreed to take a job that requires a urine test. Thats YOUR problem, not mine buddy! the key word is " job "...when the taxpayer is payin' your way...I think a little piss ...for a little doe is fair...don't you ? No way. And please talk nice about it. There are people on here that have needed help before. |
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someone sent me this...not a bad idea...if I do say so myself... Like a lot of folks in this state, I have a job. I work, they pay me. I pay my taxes and the government distributes my taxes as it sees fit. In order to get that paycheck, I am required to pass a random urine test with which I have no problem. What I do have a problem with is the distribution of my taxes to people who don't have to pass a urine test. Shouldn't one have to pass a urine test to get a welfare check because I have to pass one to earn it for them? Please understand, I have no problem with helping people get back on their feet. I do, on the other hand, ! have a problem with helping someone sitting on their ass, doing drugs, while I work. . .Can you imagine how much money the state would save if people had to pass a urine test to get a public assistance check? Sounds kinda like accusing the poor of a crime. And even if the parents do drugs, the kids will still need to get food from somewhere. And does this mean the rich can do drugs?
I can't see the crime angle in this..I think if you had to stay clean to get your money...that's actually a good thing...at what point are parents held accountable for their actions ?...at what point is the call for responsibility required ? Ignorant statement at best.
You really have NO idea how the system works. You see, let me enlighten you just a bit. I am a former welfare recipiant. I got 190 bucks a month, that was for me and my son. That is what a family of two recieves in the state of Alabama. In turn for getting the money I had to go to school full time or work full time. I started school, but realized that I still didn't have enough money for my son, so I got a full time job. I was cut off after six months and now my sons father is paying every red cent the state paid me back to the state. So I never took from taxpayers, considering I worked and paid taxes as well, and it's getting paid back. Why should I have to take a urine test to get a little help to get on my feet? You really need to know what the hell your talking about before you start complaining of people getting welfare. 190 bucks a month isn't living a lavish lifestyle. $190/month!!! That's disgraceful.
I knew that in my state they weren't getting enough to survive but it sure beats $190/month. Yep, it was like a slap in the face. But it did help me get diapers and things for my son. : ) That's why it's so difficult for people to get out of that rut.
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