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Topic: Rapture Watch
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Mon 11/17/08 11:11 AM
WOW I learned something new today! There is a rapture watch?

This article was a real eye opener for me.

BELIEF WATCH
Lisa Miller
Is Obama the Antichrist?

The winning lottery number in Illinois was 666, which, as everyone knows, is the sign of the Beast.
Published Nov 15, 2008

On Nov. 5, Todd Strandberg was at his desk, fielding E-mails from around the world. As the editor and founder of RaptureReady.com, his job is to track current events and link them to biblical prophecy in hopes of maintaining his status as "the eBay of prophecy," the best source online for predictions and calculations concerning the end of the world. Already Barack Obama had drawn the attention of apocalypse watchers after an anonymous e-mail circulated among conservative Christians in October implying that he was the Antichrist. Former "Saturday Night Live" ingénue Victoria Jackson fueled the fire when, according to news reports, she wrote on her Web site that Obama "bears traits that resemble the anti-Christ." Now Strandberg was receiving up-to-the-minute news from his constituents in Illinois. One of the winning lottery numbers in the president-elect's home state was 666— which, as everyone knows, is the sign of the Beast (also known as the Antichrist). "It is very eerie, and I take it for a sign as to who he really is," wrote one of Strandberg's correspondents.

Ever since Jesus Christ was crucified and, according to the Gospels, rose again in glory, his followers have been anticipating the end of history—the time when their Lord will return to earth and reign for a thousand years. The question has always been when. Most Christians don't worry about the end too much; it's an abstract concept, a theological puzzle for late-night pondering. A few, however, have always believed that it is coming—and soon. Millennialist movements, as they're called, gain prominence especially when the world grows chaotic, during wars and at the turn of every century. According to a 2006 study by the Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life, a third of white evangelicals believe the world will end in their lifetimes. These mostly conservative Christians believe a great battle is imminent. After years of tribulation—natural disasters, other cataclysms (such as the collapse of financial markets)—God's armies will vanquish armies led by the Antichrist himself. He will be a sweet-talking world leader who gathers governments and economies under his command to further his own evil agenda. In this world view, "the spread of secular progressive ideas is a prelude to the enslavement of mankind," explains Richard Landes, former director of the Center for Millennial Studies at Boston University.

No wonder, then, that Obama triggers such fear in the hearts of America's millennialist Christians. Mat Staver, dean of Liberty University's law school, says he does not believe Obama is the Antichrist, but he can see how others might. Obama's own use of religious rhetoric belies his liberal positions on abortion and traditional marriage, Staver says, positions that "religious conservatives believe will threaten their freedom." The people who believe Obama is the Antichrist are perhaps jumping to conclusions, but they're not nuts: "They are expressing a concern and a fear that is widely shared," Staver says.

Before Christ comes again, those who are saved will ascend to heaven, according to this end-times theology, in a huge, upward whoosh called the Rapture. Strandberg is so certain that the Rapture is coming, he's bought a number of Internet addresses in addition to RaptureReady: AntiAntichrist, Tribulationus and RaptureMe. In the event that RaptureReady crashes during the apocalypse, anyone who needs an update will, with a simple Google search, be able to get one. Strandberg says Obama probably isn't the Antichrist, but he's watching the president-elect carefully. On his Web site, he has something called the Rapture Index, a calculation based on signs and prophecy of the proximity of the end. According to Strandberg, any number over 160 means "fasten your seat belts." Obama's win pushed the index to 161.

snarkytwain's photo
Mon 11/17/08 11:15 AM
Oh God...

*Sits down with popcorn to watch the ensuing... conversation... on THIS particular subject.*

MirrorMirror's photo
Mon 11/17/08 11:18 AM
laugh People that believe this stuff are morons.laugh

Lynann's photo
Mon 11/17/08 11:20 AM
Hey maybe I will put the watch on my favorites list.

If it looks like the end times are really here I am going to have to open that bottle of single malt scotch I've been saving.

MirrorMirror's photo
Mon 11/17/08 11:24 AM
happy Ive found a couple of bible code sites about the election I check out whenever I need a laugh.happy

snarkytwain's photo
Mon 11/17/08 11:25 AM
I'll put an end to this right now:

The Bible says the Antichrist will be universally loved and lauded.

Obama got 54% of the popular vote.

Only half this country likes him.

He's not the Antichrist.

MirrorMirror's photo
Mon 11/17/08 11:34 AM
Edited by MirrorMirror on Mon 11/17/08 11:35 AM

I'll put an end to this right now:

The Bible says the Antichrist will be universally loved and lauded.

Obama got 54% of the popular vote.

Only half this country likes him.

He's not the Antichrist.
:smile: How do you know antichrist is a person?:smile:Young or old, male or female?:smile:How do you know it isn't already here?:smile:How do you know when a man is a god?:smile:




flowerforyouThe One will be revealed.flowerforyou

snarkytwain's photo
Mon 11/17/08 11:41 AM
I know what I know. :wink:

MirrorMirror's photo
Mon 11/17/08 11:44 AM

I know what I know. :wink:
:smile:What do you know is what I want to know.:smile:Because I want to be in the know like you.:smile:Tell me what you know about anitchrist.:smile: Please,I need to know.:smile:


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Mon 11/17/08 11:54 AM
I know that Antichrist, if there is one, will be very difficult to track at first. I know that there won't be any obvious signs at first. I know that he (or she) will come from obscurity directly into astounding power, not only over America but over the world. I know that (S)he will be universally adored except by a small contingient of those who know him (her) for what he (she) is (the Bible says only about 10 or 20%, give or take, will actually resist her/him). I know that (s)he is supposed to come from North of the Middle East. I know that there will be many who will come and make people think they are (s)he, but that the true Antichrist will be a LOT more difficult to pinpoint until it is almost too late.

And I won't get into where the rapture falls into all this...

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Mon 11/17/08 11:58 AM
Edited by Unknow on Mon 11/17/08 11:59 AM

I know that Antichrist, if there is one, will be very difficult to track at first. I know that there won't be any obvious signs at first. I know that he (or she) will come from obscurity directly into astounding power, not only over America but over the world. I know that (S)he will be universally adored except by a small contingient of those who know him (her) for what he (she) is (the Bible says only about 10 or 20%, give or take, will actually resist her/him). I know that (s)he is supposed to come from North of the Middle East. I know that there will be many who will come and make people think they are (s)he, but that the true Antichrist will be a LOT more difficult to pinpoint until it is almost too late.

And I won't get into where the rapture falls into all this...
I need a religous break. My headhearts but will difinatly post my beliefs tommorrow..May God be with you all, who, whom or what he or she may be.flowerforyou

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Mon 11/17/08 12:09 PM
Edited by MirrorMirror on Mon 11/17/08 12:09 PM

I know that Antichrist, if there is one, will be very difficult to track at first. I know that there won't be any obvious signs at first. I know that he (or she) will come from obscurity directly into astounding power, not only over America but over the world. I know that (S)he will be universally adored except by a small contingient of those who know him (her) for what he (she) is (the Bible says only about 10 or 20%, give or take, will actually resist her/him). I know that (s)he is supposed to come from North of the Middle East. I know that there will be many who will come and make people think they are (s)he, but that the true Antichrist will be a LOT more difficult to pinpoint until it is almost too late.

And I won't get into where the rapture falls into all this...
1.Can a person do these things without being antichrist?

2.Do these things have to happen, or does mankind have a choice? Is the future what we make it?

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Mon 11/17/08 12:11 PM
1 - I believe so, yes. Like I said, there will be many who people think are Antichrist who, in fact, are not.

2 - I believe there is a choice, yes. I think it's quite plausable that Antichrist has come more than once already, but God has spared us for whatever reason. I think God (MY God anyway, the one I truly believe exists), really does love us and wants us to succeed.

MirrorMirror's photo
Mon 11/17/08 12:18 PM

1 - I believe so, yes. Like I said, there will be many who people think are Antichrist who, in fact, are not.

2 - I believe there is a choice, yes. I think it's quite plausable that Antichrist has come more than once already, but God has spared us for whatever reason. I think God (MY God anyway, the one I truly believe exists), really does love us and wants us to succeed.
:smile: Who is the god of the Earth?:smile:

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Mon 11/17/08 12:21 PM
There are many, but Satan was given this Earth until Jesus comes back, according to the Bible. Of course, the Bible also says it's OK to wipe out an entire people in God's name and that women have neither feelings nor brains so... who knows? All I really know for absolute certain is that God exists and loves us. Everything else... He'll let me know if He feels I need to.

MirrorMirror's photo
Mon 11/17/08 12:24 PM

There are many, but Satan was given this Earth until Jesus comes back, according to the Bible. Of course, the Bible also says it's OK to wipe out an entire people in God's name and that women have neither feelings nor brains so... who knows? All I really know for absolute certain is that God exists and loves us. Everything else... He'll let me know if He feels I need to.
flowerforyouGood answer.flowerforyouMost people don't get that.flowerforyouYour very clever.:thumbsup:

snarkytwain's photo
Mon 11/17/08 12:27 PM
Thank-you. I am a scholar and faith is one of my favorite subjects. Why all the questions?

MirrorMirror's photo
Mon 11/17/08 01:07 PM

Thank-you. I am a scholar and faith is one of my favorite subjects. Why all the questions?
happy Just seeing if you know about what you speak.happyMost people don't.flowerforyouCongratulations, you passed the test.:tongue:You have at least a basic understanding of biblical prophecy.flowerforyouWhich is more than most people have.flowerforyou

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Mon 11/17/08 01:18 PM
Edited by madisonman on Mon 11/17/08 01:19 PM
(I posted this allready but its worth a re post for this thread.) I hope some of you havent seen it as it is a good one..................................................... As an atheist and a skeptic, I try to limit my magical thinking to occasional moments of vanity and revenge. But lately I’ve found myself wishing that if the Rapture is on the level, it would happen soon . . . I mean real soon.

The Rapture is the name given to a future event in which Jesus descends from heaven and gathers up all Christian fundamentalists [a.k.a. Christian Right] and swooshes them up bodily to heaven, but not before they’ve jettisoned their clothes and jewelry and all forms of prostheses, including pompadour hairpieces and inflatable bouffant support bladders.


Before I get too far into this, I want it understood that I’m not wishing these folks ill. On the contrary, I’m wishing them what they’ve always wanted—an eternity of enjoying the unchallenged moral certitude they were never quite able to fully enjoy here on Earth, but which nonetheless caused the rest of us no end of misery.

The signs for finally seeing the backside of the Christian Right are encouraging. According to raptureready.com, the Rapture Index (omens portending the Rapture) stands at 163, the highest it’s been since September 11, 2001 when it peaked at its all-time high of 182. I don’t know what the numbers mean either. But I’m not making this up.

It appears Jesus is getting his transition team in place, what with the recent raptures—albeit by conventional means—of the Rev. D. James Kennedy, godfather of the American Dominionist [a.k.a. theofascist] movement and hater of our secular constitution, and the Rev. Jerry Falwell, founder of the Moral Majority and hater of all people he could think of to hate.

I do wish the Lord would get his jesters assembled and move on this. Think what the Rapture will mean to those of us left behind.

Twenty-three percent of the 208 million adults in America identify themselves as either Pentecostal or Charismatic Christians [a.k.a. Rapture-ready]. In the event of the Rapture up to 50 million workers will be leaving their jobs without clocking out. The number of positions vacated will be five times as many needed to wipe out the country’s unemployment, leaving the rest of us in a workers’ paradise. Affirmative action be damned! It’s “trickle up” economics at work here.

Not only will our career paths be enhanced, but we’ll have a chance at longer, healthier lives by taking the untold billons of dollars President Bush is currently funneling into the Christian Right’s faith-based coffers to save “Americans one soul at a time" and reallocating them to stem cell research and universal health care, which will save considerably more of an American than just his or her ethereal soul.

Along with vocational upgrades and improved health, we’ll no longer have to wonder, “is our kids learning?” High school grads having trouble gaining admission to one of our over-crowded universities will have immediate access to the vacant desks—and possibly iPods—left by the tens of thousands of Rapture-ready students attending America’s 102 “Christ-centered” colleges, which will be under new management and begging for warm bodies.

And guys, speaking of warm bodies, the universities will be flush with coeds since far fewer teenage girls will be home taking care of their babies—there were 435,000 teen mothers last year. The hundreds of millions of federal dollars spent annually on abstinence-only sex education [a.k.a. religious dogma] in our public high schools will now fund comprehensive sex education programs that promote safe and effective birth control methods. Let’s face it. It was only the Christian Right who thought hormone-pumped primates would ever stop “doing it.”

By the way, do I even need to mention that with the Rapture-ready blissfully ensconced behind the pearly gates the rest of us will be left in peace to enjoy our bedrooms and our most personal intimate relationships on our own terms?

Unarguably though, the highlight of the Rapture will be finding out which of the “born-again” politicians are left on the ground. Unless someone has been lying to the American people—perish the thought—we stand to lose 48 Senators, 186 Representatives, four Supreme Court justices, seven presidential hopefuls, and one hopeless president.

If it turns out—highly unlikely though it is— that the 2008 presidential frontrunners of both parties are missing on Rapture-plus-one, we’ll enjoy the remaining election season with candidates who’ve always been willing to talk about more substantive issues than their most recent meet and greet with the Lord. The God-talk will be in heaven where it belongs.

Consider this . . . with a smile. If the Democrats with Dennis Kucinich and Al Gore—we can talk him into it—or the Greens with Cynthia McKinney and Ralph Nader can’t defeat the unraptured and unrepentant Ron Paul and Rudy Giuliani on their own merits, we’ll now own the Supreme Court.

There is a downside. We know damn-good-and-well who’ll be sitting at his Oval Office desk with a “fooled you again” smirk on his mug on Rapture-plus-one. But keep in mind, we’ll still have Section 4 of Article II of the Constitution and we’ll have the votes and we’ll have the prison. Keep in mind also, gods mostly help those who help themselves.

Having imagined all the above, my thinking is not so magical as to believe there won’t be a few post-Rapture problems. After all, according to Revelations this will be the time of the Great Tribulation and we’ll still have Satan [a.k.a. your choice] to wrestle with. But with the Christian Right enjoying eternity . . . well . . . who cares where, we’ll have only one Devil in the ring at a time. And he’ll be the one carrying a pitchfork not a Bible.


http://www.opednews.com/articles/1/opedne_robert_w_080119_the_rapture_can_t_ha.htm
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Mon 11/17/08 01:28 PM
ha ha ha

Priceless!


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