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Well, I have to be honest, I'm glad to see that there are exceptions to the traditional "rules". I would think that most of us all consider ourselves "ordinary people" so then why aren't we looking for "ordinary people" and not beauty queens and buff hunks in each other? " They " aren't looking for ordinary people, because there are so many things telling them that " ordinary " is what we see in the movies and in the media. Lemme ask you this. You want to write and direct in Hollywood, correct??? What do you think the chances are of you being able to get financing for a movie full of " ordinary " looking people??? Kevin Smith really opened the door for the "ordinary" people with the Clerks Script, it is a movie based completly off the ordinary day to day interactions that a clerk comes across. He spent less than 50,000 on the production and made multi-million dollars off of the underground viewing audience that watched the movie. Yes he did. BUT....who does he have in his movies now?? Ben Affleck, Matt Damon etc. Even Clerks2 wound up being guilty of it. And I don't deny that, but you need money to cast stars such as that. He had the money because he went slim on production, he was given a budget of 27,000$ on the film. He maxed out 8 or so credit cards, sold his comic book collection and grossed over 3 million off the movie. He did what any ordinary person can do, take their own occupation and create a movie out of it using less than 50 grand. Correct. But what I am saying is that even though he " opened " that particular door, he didn't exactly walk through it and stay there. I take nothing away from him. The man is brilliant for the most part. 
And I'm not trying to downplay you, but Kevin Smith has successfully kept almost every screenplay of his under 50 grand and grossed well over 1 million dollars. Filming something like Dogma cost less than 50 grand?? He couldn't get Ben Affleck to break a sweat for less than a million. Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back cost well over 1 million to produce. The 50 grand may have held true for movies like Clerks and Chasing Amy....but that's simply not the case anymore. That is production cost (set, script, and cameramen) the cost of the cast itself I do not know honestly. |
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The screenplay itself?? Set production, cameras..all that stuff is still well over a million.
Like I said, it may have been the case with his early movies like Clerks and Chasing Amy, probably Mall Rats too, but nothing he has done recently has come even close to being under 50 grand for production costs. |
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It's totally messed up. But the media and marketing companies absolutely thrive on leading the " sheeple " where they tell them to go. Well I think it's high time a lot of people break out of being sheep then, huh? And again, I know that everyone can't be like that...I mean here we are posting on this forum over and over and we're practically agreeing that we aren't like that. I'm just hoping to find one of those "non traditional" people who can think for themselves instead of letting the TV box or the magazine do it for him. |
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It's chicken-or-egg; the media show us fantasy because we pay to see it. If we stop paying, and use our only REAL vote (the dollar) we can change what Hollywood does. But we don't. Why?
Because reality is scary. It's painful. People are lonely, and they find it easier to escape to fantasy worlds where women have big breasts and men ride shiny white horses. It takes courage to be vulnerable, to open up and share our lives; it is much easier to use any and every excuse to avoid true intimacy. We use physical appearance as an excuse to avoid becoming vulnerable. |
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It's totally messed up. But the media and marketing companies absolutely thrive on leading the " sheeple " where they tell them to go. Well I think it's high time a lot of people break out of being sheep then, huh? And again, I know that everyone can't be like that...I mean here we are posting on this forum over and over and we're practically agreeing that we aren't like that. I'm just hoping to find one of those "non traditional" people who can think for themselves instead of letting the TV box or the magazine do it for him. But that person also has to be " attractive " to you. No matter what, it always boils down to that simple fact. It's not necessarily right or wrong. It just is. |
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It's chicken-or-egg; the media show us fantasy because we pay to see it. If we stop paying, and use our only REAL vote (the dollar) we can change what Hollywood does. But we don't. Why? Because reality is scary. It's painful. People are lonely, and they find it easier to escape to fantasy worlds where women have big breasts and men ride shiny white horses. It takes courage to be vulnerable, to open up and share our lives; it is much easier to use any and every excuse to avoid true intimacy. We use physical appearance as an excuse to avoid becoming vulnerable. Damn. Well said. Welcome to the site. 
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It's totally messed up. But the media and marketing companies absolutely thrive on leading the " sheeple " where they tell them to go. Well I think it's high time a lot of people break out of being sheep then, huh? And again, I know that everyone can't be like that...I mean here we are posting on this forum over and over and we're practically agreeing that we aren't like that. I'm just hoping to find one of those "non traditional" people who can think for themselves instead of letting the TV box or the magazine do it for him. I believe Michael Moore is married already. heh heh heh |
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And I admire your bravery for asking questions like this, directandwrite. Just remember, if people are too shallow or lazy or scared to really take the time to get to know you, then they are not worth it, and it is their loss. YOu seem intelligent , honest, and thoughtful, and I have no doubt that you will find someone likewise.
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Thanx for the welcoming
I like yer screen name. |
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The screenplay itself?? Set production, cameras..all that stuff is still well over a million. Like I said, it may have been the case with his early movies like Clerks and Chasing Amy, probably Mall Rats too, but nothing he has done recently has come even close to being under 50 grand for production costs. http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0003620/ Scroll down to Director if you have too, most if not all films are shot in one place (decreasing production cost, as well as the script being written by Kevin Smith also decreasing production) as well as Kevin Smith is his own editor as far as most of the films go, again decreasing production cost. Again, I do not know exact figures on casting so I cannot speak for that but I do know most of his films production wise have cost less than 50 grand. |
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i like deep complex thoughts.
shallowness bores me |
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And I admire your bravery for asking questions like this, directandwrite. Just remember, if people are too shallow or lazy or scared to really take the time to get to know you, then they are not worth it, and it is their loss. YOu seem intelligent , honest, and thoughtful, and I have no doubt that you will find someone likewise. Thank you Burningmonk...I appreciate that! And you are right, if they don't want to take the time for that, then it's their loss! Agreed--*whispers to all the other minglers* Hey guys, can we keep him? 
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If he's housebroken and behaves himself.
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aww shucks folks
Just don't feed me, cuz then I'll never leave |
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All the beauty is skin deep thinking only holds water if the people who claim they are single because they just aren't physically perfect enough really are desireable people otherwise.
What I have seen is there are a lot of so called ordinary people getting married all the time. I think it is probably for what ever reason they figure out that it is better to get past their fear and their list of must haves and try to compromise. There are no soul mates, no perfect spouse, no marriage that isn't pulling teeth sometimes but having your back against someone who is as scared shiftless as you are sometimes is easier than plowing through the road by yourself. Yea sometimes the ticket gets punched you don't get any free popcorn with the movie or the reel breaks and you have to see some other ending than you expect but I am not sure it is not that I am no longer a beauty queen is why I am alone. More often than not I think it is because people don't want to really get up to bat unless they think they are going to hit a homerun. They don't want to invest in the process. I am probably as guilty as the next. I know as much as I would like a relationship there are a lot of people I pass on as just too much effort. I am not so much looking for perfection as trying to avoid the glareing Red Flags. |
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Why are people so freakin' shallow these days? Is there anyone out there who actually looks at anything beyond the surface level when trying to choose a future spouse or lover? Personally I have lost friends over my preferences. But mind has never been of my free judgement. As my head was f**ked up as a youth. And to me, THATS shallow thinking to.
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i think its the ultimate in depth of thinking when you hold out for someone who not only has a great personality, but who is drop dead gorgeous as well. Why do i have to settle for just one?? its not impossible
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I agree. When you let someone else tell you what will make you happy you usually end up miserable.
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i think some people are getting "shallow"and "preference" mixed up.after all it is my life ...right?
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It's not always shallowness. Attraction has to play a role if there's going to be a sexual future... otherwise it's not dating, that's just friends. I love making friends as much as anything! I suppose there's some guys out there who just want to F#$%... in that case they aren't interested in a friend regardless. 
Attraction, yes...what about beauty within? I mean haven't you ever met someone really beautiful but who basically was a b*tch? Didn't that make her uglier? Same with someone not so beautiful on the outside...wouldn't their awesome personality be something that shined all the way though? Absolutely - in fact I can be so negative sometimes as to assume that most "really beautiful" ladies are annoyingly high maintenance types... that's more of a turn-off than their beauty is a turn-on, if it's true. The total balance is what's important, the whole package... I'd never, ever date a girl based solely on her looks - but her looks might grab my attention and make me curious to find out more. It's how nature works - the very answer to the question "what do you find attractive?" you are naturally tuned into recognizing it. To be fair with this question, let's say there were two girls who were equally interesting, intelligent, nice, and fun - and I was more attracted to one than the other - I don't think that is shallow. What I'm attracted to is personal to me, and no reason NOT to want that. The implication that it is wrong is where I think these threads derail from reality... attraction is natural, regardless of whether you are open-minded or not.
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