Cite your source.

Bushi, are you saying that if no one agrees with him it isn't real?!?!?!

Just playin'

TRIBO said:

you want to escape what your expieriencing and call it a dream or hologram, but this is real, it's neither a dream or a hologram, i dont feel pain in dreams i fell pain in life. i can fall from a tall building and land on my feet unharmed i cannot do that in reality. and neither can you or anyone else."let go luke - and use the force!!"



Jeanniebean - [or one of her other selves]- wrote or said or replied this:





What make you assume that I want to escape what I am experiencing?


tribo: cause i like to assume - phttttt!!



What makes a dream a dream?


BEING in a condition of REM sleep!

1.) It ends when you wake up. (Duration)

NOT - necessarily.


2.) It is not as real as this reality. (Enhance the senses)



IT's not real at all!!



3.) It fades away and keeps changing. It is not stable. (So stabilize the dream environment)

Let me know when you or anyone can do this. sounds like fun.





Presto! Reality as we know it.


PRESTO!!!! DREAMS as we know them!!



If your senses are enhanced and the duration of the dream environment is lengthened and the integrity of the environment is a stable you could be completely convinced that you your are experiencing your true reality.

MAYBE - you could be convinced, i would still know it's a dream.





Vivid dreams have space and time and objects and landscapes. Sometimes you can feel pain in dreams.

Yep, and when you wake you find sometimes its the way your sleeping etc, all expalinable.




I once tasted chocolate in a dream.

probably had al little piece between your teeth, brush your teeth before sleeping.



I once fell off a cliff in a dream and hit the bottom. It woke me up with a start and I felt as if someone had hit me in the chest.


AGAIN it was the way your body was postioned happens to me quite often.




So row row row your boat gently down the stream.....
Merrily Merrily Merrily Merrily, life is but a dream....


dreams, dreams, dreams are dreams, that is all they are,

whether you are making love or get hit by a car.









Jeanniebean[or one of her other selves] wrote or said or replied this:

Tribo said:



Tribo, you think you know when you are dreaming.

BUT if you go to sleep tonight and have a dream you will not know that you are dreaming until after your wake up.... Unless you are having what is called a LUCID dream.

A lucid dream is when you realize you are having a dream while you are having it. This is when you can use your mind to somewhat control the dream scape or you can use this knowledge to manipulate the dream or to wake up from the dream.

This reality it a dream Tribo. You don't realize it.

I suggested that all one has to do is to stabilize the dream scape, increase its duration and increase the power of the senses and you can create a convincing reality.

Tribo said: "Let me know when you or anyone can do this. sounds like fun."

Okay. I'm letting you know.

They have done it!

This is it.

Pretty convincing huh?

Okay its time to wake up now.

JB

Mirrorpedia

To answer this question you must define the observer.

There is no answer to the question.Theres a sizable cash reward offered for anyone that can answer the question.The question may or may not have originated with Einstein,no one knows exactly where it came from, but Einstein and all of the other great minds of the 20th century have contemplated it.

i know baby, i have lucid dreams and i actually control them quite a bit, especially when its things i don't like - i have even woke up and was not happy about things and went back and changed them to my liking and then went on to other dreams. but it was still just a dream - no more no less. pains and taste as i said are from things happening in your body that get thrown into the dreams for whatever reason.

but to think you can stabilize this and for some reason think that it's reality - nope - no matter what i know its a dream or at least since grown i may have had nightmares or something when younger that seemed very real - but even then once awake - that was gone. out side of drugs or hypnotism or something of that nature or some traumatic exp. i can not see living a long term dream and being convinced it was reality. only that it was a longer dream than usual if it stayed on topic.

There has been no adequate answer found for the question.

well then tel me wherei can collect the prize please?

define adequate ?

Not me, I dont have that kinda cash Some scientific institution I suppose.

All the answers that have been offered so far have flaws in the logic (that others have pointed out).I assume an adequate answer would be something logical that no one can find flaws in(especially physicists).

No just curious would like a source.

Google it dudeI got my info from the Mirrorpedia. Perhaps Wikipedia would be a good place to start(although you cant use Wikipedia for college source citation,its still a useful place to start).

If MirrorMirror asks a question,and doesn't cite a source,is that question real?

is there any money if i answer -

Silly I am not saying that I (or we) can stabilize our personal dreams and create a substantial reality. I am comparing our dreams to this that we call reality.

So you understand then, how lucid dreams work. Your personal dreams are created by your personal mind.

I suggest that this reality is a dream-like structure and is projected by the collective Universal Mind.

Duration and spacetime within your own personal dreams are not sufficient to maintain a substantial reality. After all, you are just one individual. So you call them "dreams."

But nobody really understands dreams or quite how they are manifested by the mind. You manifest space and time and landscapes and people and many other things in your personal dream scape.

Imagine a collective universal mind having a dream. That dream would have more duration and stability and could manifest a sufficient reality for forms and for the incubation of intelligent conscious life.

I'm not saying this is how it is, but I am betting I am on the right track. Dreams allow for conscious experience, and experience itself is reality.

I just wanted to comment on the tree and sound thing.

This is kind if a silly questions that pure philosophers come up with.

If a tree falls in a woods and there's no one there to hear it, does it make a sound?

First off, the question assumes that the tree and the forest exist. And because of this it also implies that there is air in the forest.

So now we come down to the real question.

What does a philosopher mean by the words sound.

Science defines sound as vibrations in air at particular frequencies.

Philosopher's think of sound as that which they experience when their ear drums are rattled.

So based on these totally different perspectives. The scientific answer to the question is , yes, the air is probably vibrating when the tree falls. Just because there are no detectors around is no reason for the air not to vibrate when the tree false.

However, from the philosopher's point of view the answer is no. If there is no one around to get their ear drums rattled, then no one experiences the vibrations, and therefore there was no sound.

It's just two entirely different ways of thinking. Science defines sound as vibrations in air at particular frequencies, and philosophers think of sound as that sensation you experience when you're ear drums are rattled.

Two entirely different views, two entirely different answers.

A more meaningful question for a philosopher to ask is whether the forest exists at all when there is no one around to perceiver it. If the forest isn't even there when there is no one to perceive it then there isn't even any air to vibrate, or tree too fall, or anything.

There are many books written on this topic of whether or not anything exists when it is not being perceived. One of them is called, "Einstein's Moon". Is there moon actually there when no one is looking at it?

In other words, is reality observer-created or does it actually have a tangible existence.

Is the world truly our there?

Or is life just a dream?

Row row row your boat.

Is there anything to physical reality. I personally believe there is. I believe that the physical world is a manifestation of the spirit (or energy, or whatever you want to call it). In other words, the moon is ultimately made of energy (spirit). As is everything else.

So in that sense I don't believe in an observer-created reality.

However, I do believe in mind-over-matter. I do believe that the psyche can manipulate energy.

The only question is, how is that accomplished?

Religious people believe that they must pray to an external God and ask him to use his mind to manipulate the physical world because they can't do it. Although Jesus told people that they are also gods, and if they had the faith of a mustard seed they could move a mountain. But he also spoke in terms of asking a 'heavenly' (or spiritual) deity if they couldn't do it on their own.

Another school of thought is referred at "The Law of Attraction". People who give seminars on this topic tend to imply that mental visualize, along with emotional energy can attract the physical manifestation of things to occur. They also speak in terms of emotional feelings being important, along with feelings of gratitude, and an appeal to a higher power. They to believe in asking 'gods' help, but they are more liberal in how they think of 'god'.

Witchcraft is much like philosophy of "The Law of Attraction". It too sees value in emotional energy, and appealing to the gods via ancient parables that relate the God and Goddess to the cycles of heavenly bodies, as well as to the cycles of life, birth, activity, and death which continues through reincarnation to rebirth, activity, death, rebirth, activity, death, and so on. Witchcraft also tends to place a little more emphasis on the vibrational (or spiritual) energy within physical manifestations. It embraces the use of physical objects to store, amplify, transform, and direct spiritual energy. Of course, it clearly states that the tools are not what is doing the magick, they are merely tools that help to facilitate the transformation of energies. And they also see value in feelings of gratitude and pure emotion.

In fact, I think most religions hold these basic concepts. Voodoo is clearly a believe in the transference of energies, and most people would claim that it's just another culture's name for witchcraft. Even the Eastern mystics talk in terms of 'Flowing with the Tao" or "Being in Harmony with Nature". The very term 'harmony' suggest emotional vibrations.

All religions are pointing to the very same thing; the idea that emotional energy is important. How we feel will contribute positively or negativity to how things are manifest in our lives. And we have a choice in the matter. We can choose to feel good. Having feelings of gratitude automatically lead to good feelings. It's hard to feel good if you are feeling ungrateful. Learning to become attuned to the vibrations around you is paramount if you are to live in harmony with your surroundings. Precisely how you view the spiritual forces that produced this world doesn't appear to be all that important. All that appears to be important is that you're grateful for the experience, and that you learn to live in harmony with your surroundings. And you can do that if you are at odds with the people who are around you. So it's an automatic consequence that you harm none if you are to live in peace. Harming those around you, is bound to rock your world in ways that isn't good, because those are the vibes that you're creating.

This message has been brought to you by the spirit of the silent falling tree.

have you ever created a dream? i have Have you ever had a dream one night and continued it the next? i have. though i understand what your trying to expalin i don't think your correct, so i'm glad you used terms assume and betting etc., they need to be kept there.