Topic: RNC Spends $150,000 on Palin's...
AdventureBegins's photo
Sat 10/25/08 10:38 AM

still it goes

the liberals constantly demonize her and the conservatives adulate over her

she is just a person neither demon nor saint who may or may not do a good job

aye you have a point.

I believe that based on the job performance in the past (comparing Obama's work,McCains work in their political careers and her performance) that Gov Palin has SHOWN more of the work ethic I want to see in government than Obama...

this is how I would evaluate if I was hiring them for a job.

Is not what they are applying for a JOB?

Don't they work for us... Carefull who you hire ya'll

adj4u's photo
Sat 10/25/08 10:42 AM
if you want the same output

elect the washington insiders

if you want new out put

you need new input

and palin is the best possibility for new input


Giocamo's photo
Sat 10/25/08 10:43 AM


still it goes

the liberals constantly demonize her and the conservatives adulate over her

she is just a person neither demon nor saint who may or may not do a good job

aye you have a point.

I believe that based on the job performance in the past (comparing Obama's work,McCains work in their political careers and her performance) that Gov Palin has SHOWN more of the work ethic I want to see in government than Obama...

this is how I would evaluate if I was hiring them for a job.

Is not what they are applying for a JOB?

Don't they work for us... Carefull who you hire ya'll



you are so right !!!

Redshirt's photo
Sun 10/26/08 06:15 PM
Heard a quote from her today where she addressed of her clothes. Said, "They belong to the RNC, just like the lighting and staging does."

Duh, They rent those? Don't think her clothes were rented.

Winx's photo
Sun 10/26/08 10:41 PM

Heard a quote from her today where she addressed of her clothes. Said, "They belong to the RNC, just like the lighting and staging does."

Duh, They rent those? Don't think her clothes were rented.



slaphead

Dragoness's photo
Sun 10/26/08 11:30 PM
Edited by Dragoness on Sun 10/26/08 11:31 PM
McCain would have done better had he not got a running mate that was so "basey". She is too right. If he wanted the independents and middle of the road folks he would have done better with a bit more moderate possibly less white running mate. It would have boosted his appeal with the moderates and possibly some of the conservative liberals.

She is a big pain in the ass for everyone.

I don't like her because she is one of "those" women. All women know about "those" women unless they are one of "those" women and then they won't know what I am talking about. She is so competitive that she is unable to be a true friend to anyone. You know what I am talking about ladies.:wink:

adj4u's photo
Mon 10/27/08 06:30 AM

Heard a quote from her today where she addressed of her clothes. Said, "They belong to the RNC, just like the lighting and staging does."

Duh, They rent those? Don't think her clothes were rented.


point is PALIN DID NOT BUY THEM

get off this all ready

wonder how much obama biden and mccain spends on wardrobe

sshhhhhhhhhhheeeeeezzzzzzzzzzz

and he and michelle spent their money on them

if they spend big bucks of their own

they will not have a problem spending bigger bucks of YOUR money

tax and spend

businesses do not pay taxes

they add them to the price of their product or service

thus creating a double tax on the people

(if the people do this with the govt they call it double dipping why is it ok for them but not for the people)


franshade's photo
Mon 10/27/08 07:28 AM
Never understood why people assume business do not pay taxes.


Mrtap's photo
Mon 10/27/08 07:32 AM
I am mud wrestling her Sat. :banana: :banana:

adj4u's photo
Mon 10/27/08 07:44 AM

Never understood why people assume business do not pay taxes.





if you own a business

you have to make a profit or you go out of business

that is a givin

ok if you are operating on a budget

and your budget for taxes is say 10,000 dollars
your taxes go up to 15,000 dollars what do you do to pay these taxes

raise the price is the obvious answer

so you raise the price of what your business supplies to pay for said taxes

now if i go to said business and but their product or service

then i am paying for the taxes of said business

so not only am i paying the tax on the business i am paying for the product with money i have paid tax on and more than likely using a vehicle i paid tax on that is running on gas i paid tax on and more than likely am wearing clothes that i paid tax on

not to mention the fact that i am paying the tax for each company that i purchased each of the before mentioned products from and the company that made the products


a business must increase their price to cover their taxes

or they will be out of business

this creates a govt double dipping issue (which they do not allow if you qualify for more than one retirement from the govt)

that is why businesses do not pay taxes they pass them on to their customer


franshade's photo
Mon 10/27/08 08:09 AM


Never understood why people assume business do not pay taxes.






if you own a business

you have to make a profit or you go out of business

that is a givin

ok if you are operating on a budget

and your budget for taxes is say 10,000 dollars
your taxes go up to 15,000 dollars what do you do to pay these taxes

raise the price is the obvious answer

so you raise the price of what your business supplies to pay for said taxes

now if i go to said business and but their product or service

then i am paying for the taxes of said business

so not only am i paying the tax on the business i am paying for the product with money i have paid tax on and more than likely using a vehicle i paid tax on that is running on gas i paid tax on and more than likely am wearing clothes that i paid tax on

not to mention the fact that i am paying the tax for each company that i purchased each of the before mentioned products from and the company that made the products


a business must increase their price to cover their taxes

or they will be out of business

this creates a govt double dipping issue (which they do not allow if you qualify for more than one retirement from the govt)

that is why businesses do not pay taxes they pass them on to their customer




funny I have been in the same line of business over 30 yrs have heard so many variations of your explanation that all I do is hmmmmmmm laugh

have worked and have heard the pros and cons of:
the self employed individuals
the unemployed
the small businesses
the large businesses
Corporate America

etc



adj4u's photo
Mon 10/27/08 08:18 PM


funny I have been in the same line of business over 30 yrs have heard so many variations of your explanation that all I do is hmmmmmmm laugh

have worked and have heard the pros and cons of:
the self employed individuals
the unemployed
the small businesses
the large businesses
Corporate America

etc



and do you charge enough to cover your taxes

and if you had no tax to pay would you lower your price

mnhiker's photo
Mon 10/27/08 10:26 PM

Clothes & make up. For her and HER family...

Oct. 22) - The Republican National Committee has spent more than $150,000 to clothe and accessorize vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin and her family since her surprise pick by John McCain in late August.
According to financial disclosure records, the accessorizing began in early September and included bills from Saks Fifth Avenue in St. Louis and New York for a combined $49,425.74.
The records also document a couple of big-time shopping trips to Neiman Marcus in Minneapolis, including one $75,062.63 spree in early September.
The RNC also spent $4,716.49 on hair and makeup through September after reporting no such costs in August.
The cash expenditures immediately raised questions among campaign finance experts about their legality under the Federal Election Commission's long-standing advisory opinions on using campaign cash to purchase items for personal use.
Politico asked the McCain campaign for comment, explicitly noting the $150,000 in expenses for department store shopping and makeup consultation that were incurred immediately after Palin’s announcement. Pre-September reports do not include similar costs.
Spokeswoman Maria Comella declined to answer specific questions about the expenditures, including whether it was necessary to spend that much and whether it amounted to one early investment in Palin or if shopping for the vice presidential nominee was ongoing.
The campaign does not comment on strategic decisions regarding how financial resources available to the campaign are spent," she said.
But hours after the story was posted on Politico's website and legal issues were raised, the campaign issued a new statement.
"With all of the important issues facing the country right now, it’s remarkable that we’re spending time talking about pantsuits and blouses," said spokeswoman Tracey Schmitt. "It was always the intent that the clothing go to a charitable purpose after the campaign."
The business of primping and dressing on the campaign trail has become fraught with political risk in recent years as voters increasingly see an elite Washington out of touch with their values and lifestyles.
In 2000, Democrat Al Gore took heat for changing his clothing hues. And in 2006, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.) was ribbed for two hair styling sessions that cost about $3,000.
Then, there was Democrat John Edwards’ $400 hair cuts in 2007 and Republican McCain’s $520 black leather Ferragamo shoes this year.
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More StoriesA review of similar records for the campaign of Democrat Barack Obama and the Democratic National Committee turned up no similar spending.
But all the spending by other candidates pales in comparison to the GOP outlay for the Alaska governor whose expensive, designer outfits have been the topic of fashion pages and magazines.
What hasn’t been apparent is where the clothes came from – her closet back in Wasilla or from the campaign coffers in Washington.
The answer can be found inside the RNC’s September monthly financial disclosure report under “itemized coordinated expenditures.”
It’s a report that typically records expenses for direct mail, telephone calls and advertising. Those expenses do show up, but the report also has a new category of spending: “campaign accessories.”
September payments were also made to Barney’s New York ($789.72) and Bloomingdale’s New York ($5,102.71).
Macy’s in Minneapolis, another store fortunate enough to be situated in the Twin Cities that hosted last summer’s Republican National Convention, received three separate payments totaling $9,447.71.
The entries also show a few purchases at Pacifier, a top notch baby store, and Steiniauf & Stroller Inc., suggesting $295 was spent to accommodate the littlest Palin to join the campaign trail.
An additional $4,902.45 was spent in early September at Atelier, a high-class shopping destination for men.



Just a drop in the bucket compared to the wholesale fleecing the Bush Administration has been doing for the past 8 years.

explode explode

franshade's photo
Tue 10/28/08 05:52 AM



funny I have been in the same line of business over 30 yrs have heard so many variations of your explanation that all I do is hmmmmmmm laugh

have worked and have heard the pros and cons of:
the self employed individuals
the unemployed
the small businesses
the large businesses
Corporate America

etc



and do you charge enough to cover your taxes

and if you had no tax to pay would you lower your price


Have to differentiate the product costs, service costs, labor costs from overheads and so on - not just talk about taxes, there are a lot of other expenses, etc that are incorporated into the pricing of services and products that are paid by businesses.

Would I lower prices, not sure maybe, if I do would not be substantially as if only taxes are removed I am certain another of my expenses would rise, be it insurance for example. (self emp/small biz)

Maybe I'd lower prices a little more if I were a big corp?




adj4u's photo
Tue 10/28/08 06:26 AM
Edited by adj4u on Tue 10/28/08 06:28 AM


funny I have been in the same line of business over 30 yrs have heard so many variations of your explanation that all I do is hmmmmmmm laugh

have worked and have heard the pros and cons of:
the self employed individuals
the unemployed
the small businesses
the large businesses
Corporate America

etc



and do you charge enough to cover your taxes

and if you had no tax to pay would you lower your price


Have to differentiate the product costs, service costs, labor costs from overheads and so on - not just talk about taxes, there are a lot of other expenses, etc that are incorporated into the pricing of services and products that are paid by businesses.

Would I lower prices, not sure maybe, if I do would not be substantially as if only taxes are removed I am certain another of my expenses would rise, be it insurance for example. (self emp/small biz)

Maybe I'd lower prices a little more if I were a big corp?






so you do incorporate the cost of your taxes into the price of your product or services then (along with utilities,building costs, shipping, labor, vehicles and other costs of doing business)

thus you pass the cost of those taxes on to your customers

thus business is not paying the tax the customer is in the cost of doing business mark up

obviously if your tax goes up 15% your prices will eventually go up as the cost of doing business will go up as well

franshade's photo
Tue 10/28/08 06:33 AM



funny I have been in the same line of business over 30 yrs have heard so many variations of your explanation that all I do is hmmmmmmm laugh

have worked and have heard the pros and cons of:
the self employed individuals
the unemployed
the small businesses
the large businesses
Corporate America

etc



and do you charge enough to cover your taxes

and if you had no tax to pay would you lower your price


Have to differentiate the product costs, service costs, labor costs from overheads and so on - not just talk about taxes, there are a lot of other expenses, etc that are incorporated into the pricing of services and products that are paid by businesses.

Would I lower prices, not sure maybe, if I do would not be substantially as if only taxes are removed I am certain another of my expenses would rise, be it insurance for example. (self emp/small biz)

Maybe I'd lower prices a little more if I were a big corp?






so you do incorporate the cost of your taxes into the price of your product or services then (along with utilities,building costs, shipping, labor, vehicles and other costs of doing business)

thus you pass the cost of those taxes on to your customers

thus business is not paying the tax the customer is in the cost of doing business mark up

obviously if your tax goes up 15% your prices will eventually go up as the cost of doing business will go up as well


so who wins - only the government (not the biz/not the consumer)

ya know I respect you but dont agree with how you want to portray this - but still smitten

it's like song that never ends just goes round and round and round.

we have been supplied insufficient facts to make any logical and supportive decision - jmo

adj4u's photo
Tue 10/28/08 06:41 AM


so who wins - only the government (not the biz/not the consumer)

ya know I respect you but dont agree with how you want to portray this - but still smitten

it's like song that never ends just goes round and round and round.

we have been supplied insufficient facts to make any logical and supportive decision - jmo




thank ya ma'am

i do not like the way i portray it neither

but that is the way it is

------------





Title: Taxman lyrics

Artist: The Beatles Lyrics



One, two, three, four...
Hrmm!
One, two, (one, two, three, four!)

Let me tell you how it will be;
There's one for you, nineteen for me.
'Cause I’m the taxman,
Yeah, I’m the taxman.

Should five per cent appear too small,
Be thankful I don't take it all.
'Cause I’m the taxman,
Yeah, I’m the taxman.

(if you drive a car, car;) - I’ll tax the street;
(if you try to sit, sit;) - I’ll tax your seat;
(if you get too cold, cold;) - I’ll tax the heat;
(if you take a walk, walk;) - I'll tax your feet.

Taxman!

'Cause I’m the taxman,
Yeah, I’m the taxman.

Don't ask me what I want it for, (ah-ah, mister Wilson)
If you don't want to pay some more. (ah-ah, mister heath)
'Cause I’m the taxman,
Yeah, I’m the taxman.

Now my advice for those who die, (taxman)
Declare the pennies on your eyes. (taxman)
'Cause I’m the taxman,
Yeah, I’m the taxman.

And you're working for no one but me.

Taxman!
--------------------------

the govt ram it up the peoples ihfdhbg


adj4u's photo
Tue 10/28/08 06:44 AM


Clothes & make up. For her and HER family...

Oct. 22) - The Republican National Committee has spent more than $150,000 to clothe and accessorize vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin and her family since her surprise pick by John McCain in late August.
According to financial disclosure records, the accessorizing began in early September and included bills from Saks Fifth Avenue in St. Louis and New York for a combined $49,425.74.
The records also document a couple of big-time shopping trips to Neiman Marcus in Minneapolis, including one $75,062.63 spree in early September.
The RNC also spent $4,716.49 on hair and makeup through September after reporting no such costs in August.
The cash expenditures immediately raised questions among campaign finance experts about their legality under the Federal Election Commission's long-standing advisory opinions on using campaign cash to purchase items for personal use.
Politico asked the McCain campaign for comment, explicitly noting the $150,000 in expenses for department store shopping and makeup consultation that were incurred immediately after Palin’s announcement. Pre-September reports do not include similar costs.
Spokeswoman Maria Comella declined to answer specific questions about the expenditures, including whether it was necessary to spend that much and whether it amounted to one early investment in Palin or if shopping for the vice presidential nominee was ongoing.
The campaign does not comment on strategic decisions regarding how financial resources available to the campaign are spent," she said.
But hours after the story was posted on Politico's website and legal issues were raised, the campaign issued a new statement.
"With all of the important issues facing the country right now, it’s remarkable that we’re spending time talking about pantsuits and blouses," said spokeswoman Tracey Schmitt. "It was always the intent that the clothing go to a charitable purpose after the campaign."
The business of primping and dressing on the campaign trail has become fraught with political risk in recent years as voters increasingly see an elite Washington out of touch with their values and lifestyles.
In 2000, Democrat Al Gore took heat for changing his clothing hues. And in 2006, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.) was ribbed for two hair styling sessions that cost about $3,000.
Then, there was Democrat John Edwards’ $400 hair cuts in 2007 and Republican McCain’s $520 black leather Ferragamo shoes this year.
FEED
More from PoliticoMcCain ‘amazed’ by Palin treatment
RNC shells out $150K for Palin fashion
The generated international crisis?
No cavalry coming for McCain
McCain down in Va., up in Fla.
More StoriesA review of similar records for the campaign of Democrat Barack Obama and the Democratic National Committee turned up no similar spending.
But all the spending by other candidates pales in comparison to the GOP outlay for the Alaska governor whose expensive, designer outfits have been the topic of fashion pages and magazines.
What hasn’t been apparent is where the clothes came from – her closet back in Wasilla or from the campaign coffers in Washington.
The answer can be found inside the RNC’s September monthly financial disclosure report under “itemized coordinated expenditures.”
It’s a report that typically records expenses for direct mail, telephone calls and advertising. Those expenses do show up, but the report also has a new category of spending: “campaign accessories.”
September payments were also made to Barney’s New York ($789.72) and Bloomingdale’s New York ($5,102.71).
Macy’s in Minneapolis, another store fortunate enough to be situated in the Twin Cities that hosted last summer’s Republican National Convention, received three separate payments totaling $9,447.71.
The entries also show a few purchases at Pacifier, a top notch baby store, and Steiniauf & Stroller Inc., suggesting $295 was spent to accommodate the littlest Palin to join the campaign trail.
An additional $4,902.45 was spent in early September at Atelier, a high-class shopping destination for men.



Just a drop in the bucket compared to the wholesale fleecing the Bush Administration has been doing for the past 8 years.

explode explode




just a 1/2 drop in the bucket compared to what the obama campain is spending on negative ads

and what about the lie obama made when he said he would stick to federal spending levels

or is that ok

because he is obama

a liar

if a mans word is no good then the man is not to be trusted

Winx's photo
Tue 10/28/08 07:17 AM



Clothes & make up. For her and HER family...

Oct. 22) - The Republican National Committee has spent more than $150,000 to clothe and accessorize vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin and her family since her surprise pick by John McCain in late August.
According to financial disclosure records, the accessorizing began in early September and included bills from Saks Fifth Avenue in St. Louis and New York for a combined $49,425.74.
The records also document a couple of big-time shopping trips to Neiman Marcus in Minneapolis, including one $75,062.63 spree in early September.
The RNC also spent $4,716.49 on hair and makeup through September after reporting no such costs in August.
The cash expenditures immediately raised questions among campaign finance experts about their legality under the Federal Election Commission's long-standing advisory opinions on using campaign cash to purchase items for personal use.
Politico asked the McCain campaign for comment, explicitly noting the $150,000 in expenses for department store shopping and makeup consultation that were incurred immediately after Palin’s announcement. Pre-September reports do not include similar costs.
Spokeswoman Maria Comella declined to answer specific questions about the expenditures, including whether it was necessary to spend that much and whether it amounted to one early investment in Palin or if shopping for the vice presidential nominee was ongoing.
The campaign does not comment on strategic decisions regarding how financial resources available to the campaign are spent," she said.
But hours after the story was posted on Politico's website and legal issues were raised, the campaign issued a new statement.
"With all of the important issues facing the country right now, it’s remarkable that we’re spending time talking about pantsuits and blouses," said spokeswoman Tracey Schmitt. "It was always the intent that the clothing go to a charitable purpose after the campaign."
The business of primping and dressing on the campaign trail has become fraught with political risk in recent years as voters increasingly see an elite Washington out of touch with their values and lifestyles.
In 2000, Democrat Al Gore took heat for changing his clothing hues. And in 2006, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.) was ribbed for two hair styling sessions that cost about $3,000.
Then, there was Democrat John Edwards’ $400 hair cuts in 2007 and Republican McCain’s $520 black leather Ferragamo shoes this year.
FEED
More from PoliticoMcCain ‘amazed’ by Palin treatment
RNC shells out $150K for Palin fashion
The generated international crisis?
No cavalry coming for McCain
McCain down in Va., up in Fla.
More StoriesA review of similar records for the campaign of Democrat Barack Obama and the Democratic National Committee turned up no similar spending.
But all the spending by other candidates pales in comparison to the GOP outlay for the Alaska governor whose expensive, designer outfits have been the topic of fashion pages and magazines.
What hasn’t been apparent is where the clothes came from – her closet back in Wasilla or from the campaign coffers in Washington.
The answer can be found inside the RNC’s September monthly financial disclosure report under “itemized coordinated expenditures.”
It’s a report that typically records expenses for direct mail, telephone calls and advertising. Those expenses do show up, but the report also has a new category of spending: “campaign accessories.”
September payments were also made to Barney’s New York ($789.72) and Bloomingdale’s New York ($5,102.71).
Macy’s in Minneapolis, another store fortunate enough to be situated in the Twin Cities that hosted last summer’s Republican National Convention, received three separate payments totaling $9,447.71.
The entries also show a few purchases at Pacifier, a top notch baby store, and Steiniauf & Stroller Inc., suggesting $295 was spent to accommodate the littlest Palin to join the campaign trail.
An additional $4,902.45 was spent in early September at Atelier, a high-class shopping destination for men.



Just a drop in the bucket compared to the wholesale fleecing the Bush Administration has been doing for the past 8 years.

explode explode




just a 1/2 drop in the bucket compared to what the obama campain is spending on negative ads

and what about the lie obama made when he said he would stick to federal spending levels

or is that ok

because he is obama

a liar

if a mans word is no good then the man is not to be trusted


1) McCain has more negative ads than Obama.

2) McCain had a choice on which way to do the spending.

franshade's photo
Tue 10/28/08 07:18 AM
Obama's camp raised more money and therefore has more capital to spend, not Obama's fault now is it :laughing: