John 16:33 "These things I have spoken to you, that in Me you may have peace. In the world you have tribulation, but take courage; I have overcome the world."

2 Cor 10:3 For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war according to the flesh, 4 for the weapons of our warfare are not of the flesh, but divinely powerful for the destruction of fortresses. 5 We are destroying speculations and every lofty thing raised up against the knowledge of God, and we are taking every thought captive to the obedience of Christ,

The disciples stood in great amazement at the rebellion of the angels.

Then said Jesus: 'Verily I say unto you, that he who maketh not prayer is more wicked than Satan, and shall suffer greater torments. Because Satan had, before his fall, no example of fearing, nor did God so much as send him any prophet to invite him to repentance: but man-now that all the prophets are come except the messenger of God who shall come after me, because so God willeth, and that I may prepare his way-and man, I say, albeit he have infinite examples of the justice of God, liveth carelessly without any fear, as though there were no God. Even as of such

spake the prophet David: "The fool hath said in his heart, there is no God. Therefore are they corrupt and become abominable, without one of them doing good."

'Make prayer unceasingly, O my disciples, in order that ye may receive. For he who seeketh findeth, and he who knocketh to him it is opened, and he who asketh receiveth. And in your prayer do not look to much speaking, for God looketh on the heart;

as he said through Solomon: "O my servant, give me thine heart. '

Verily I say unto you, as God liveth, the hypocrites make much prayer in every part of the city in order to be seen and held for saints by the multitude: but their heart is full of wickedness, and therefore they do not mean that which they ask. It is needful that thou mean thy prayer if thou wilt that God receive it.


'Verily I say unto you,

that very few make true prayer,
and therefore Satan hath power over them,

because God willeth not those who honour him with their lips:

who in the temple ask [with] their lips for mercy, and their heart crieth out for justice.

Even as he saith to Isaiah the prophet, saying: "Take away this people that is irksome to me, because with their lips they honour me, but their heart is far from me." Verily I say unto you, that he that goeth to make prayer without consideration mocketh God.

'Now who would go to speak to Herod with his back towards him, and before him speak well of Pilate the governor, whom he hateth to the death? Assuredly none. Yet no less doth the man who goeth to make prayer and prepareth not himself. He turneth his back to God and his face to Satan, and speaketh well of him. For in his heart is the love of iniquity, whereof he huetpeiath not repented.

If God is playing poker for human souls with Satan, then clearly Satan won the game at the time of the great flood when God surrended the bulk of the chips to Satan and requested a 'new deal'.

What are they doing now?

Playing best-out-of-three?

Even the crucifixion didn't seem to work since the game appears to still be well underway.

Was that a second loss for God?

If they are playing best-out-of-three it sure looks like Satan is leading the game.

Maybe God folded and resigned.

That makes sense.

Fear not - Mediterranean folklore is just a fantasy.

Just look at it closely and you'll see. It's almost a re-run of Greek Mythology with some other Mediterranean myths tossed in.

Relax.

God isn't gambling with your soul.

Have a little faith.

The Goddess of the universe is far nicer than you can even begin to imagine. She has everything under control.

Relax. Smell the roses.

She created them just for you, and me, and well, everyone.

Death in Scripture never means ceasing to exist, but only indicates the absence of some kind of PhysicalL life.

Physical death is the absence of physical life.

Spiritual death is the absence of spiritual life.
And the second death is the absence of the blessings of eternal life.


Because of His love for mankind, Jesus warns us to avoid the fires of hell. People who deny the existence of eternal punishment are simply rejecting the word of God. They do not believe the clear statements of Jesus and His apostles.

In the Gospels Jesus repeatedly warns about the coming punishment of fire.

Not only murderers are in danger of judgment, "But whoever says, 'You fool!' shall be in danger of hell fire" (Matthew 5:21,22).

Using the most extreme language possible, He warns us to avoid hell at any cost!

I truly do understand where you are coming from. Truly I do.

You believe that the Bible is the infalibale word of God.

If I believed that I'd have to agree with you on the specific things that you've quoted above.

However, its come to my attention that historians have very good reason to believe that the gospels that have been attributed to Jesus are filled with demagoguery.

You say, "Jesus said".

But Jesus never wrote down a single solatary word. You have no clue what any man named Jesus might have actually said.

The earliest Christians had a completely different picture of Jesus.

The Gospels that you were given today weren't written down for at least several decades after the rumors of Jesus began.

Moroever there are strong reasons to believe that those gospels, (the ones you are referring to), only became popular because they were forced onto people by the sword.

Anyone who dared to speak out against that version of the rumors of Jesus would be excuted. Any papers or writings that spoke out against that version would be burned and banished.

The earliest Christians were truly in a war with each other on precisely which rumors were true and which were not.

You ended up with the version of the authoritarian who won that battle.

I personally don't believe that those gospels are the words of any God. I don't believe that Jesus was God. At least no more than you and I are.

You seem to be sold on the Bible.

More power to you.

But there's a lot more to history than that simplistic story.

Just look at the Bible from a bird's eye view.

Jesus didn't even agree with the Old Testament! He changed the major concepts.

The scriptual cannon was never intended to be a continuous story.

Hey, being a good person is great.

Let's hope that you do it because you are a good person at heart. And not merely because you fear the fires of hell.

Following the moral values that have been attributed to the teachings of Jesus is good.

Or you can follow the moral values of Buddha. They're the same values.

There's nothing wrong with idolizing Jesus and even worshiping him (loving him).

But going off the deep end of fear and panic doesn't serve anyone.

Who do you hope to convert?

Good people will be good no matter what they blieve.

Bad people don't give a damn.

Unless of course, your a bad person and just scared sh'tless!

If that's the case Owl send you a bible myself.

But really, just be good. That's all you need to do. No need to panic.

No decent God is going to be sending good people to hell just because they didn't believe in Santa Claus (or Jesus Christ for that matter).

Good people, are good people.

Jesus said to the thief on the cross who repented "Today (Present tense) you will be with me in paradise" (Luke 23:43). This thief was neither baptized nor partook of the Lords supper he believed and was promised to be with Jesus.

He did no works but only believed and had faith. This is hard to accept for those who add requirements to be saved or busy themselves to earn their way to heavens abode. Only Christ - GOD man knew what his history and his heart, but he had the authority to pardon justly by his father and our creator in heaven - GOD.


Pt.3:19: "Being put to death in the flesh but made alive by the Spirit.

By whom also he went and preached (proclaimed) to the spirits in prison,

who formerly were disobedient,

when once the divine long suffering waited in the days of Noah..."

Even in the prison of HADES, the soul is given a chance to repent, THANK GOD.

People could copy and paste excerpts from stories about the Greek Gods too.

That doesn't make them true.

If you're paranoid about a need to believe in Jesus Christ, then by all means believe in him.

Clogging up the forums with copy and pasted excerpts from the bible is actually quite rude.

Not to mention against forum rules.

You don't ask questions.

You preach.

You're just using these forums as a free podium to preach the Biblical version of God.

Try reading the forum rules.



Every thread you've started since you came started posting in the religious section should be deleted by the rules.

Clearly you're just preaching and abusing the discussion boards with posts that clearly are designated for response exclusively from one
religion or belief system, or which may cause that type of polarization

Do you have any respect for rules?

I tell people the same thing about prison. You don't want to go there.

That holds true to the military. War is Hell. Avoid it at all costs if you can.

JB

IF PEOPLE HAD SUCH COMMON SENSE OF HOW TO LIVE LIFE AND PRACTICED IT EVERYDAY THIS WORLD WOULD BE BETTER OFF BEING WE WOULD ALL BE OF LIKE MINDS I GUESS LOL.

The mind set "IF YOU ARE NOT WITH ME, THEN YOU ARE AGAINST ME"
Is NOT common sense.

It paints everything black or white and there are no shades of gray, no neutral corner for the peaceful.

It points to war.

War is not common sense in my opinion.

The true battle is in the wars we wage within our selves.

This abject fear of being wrong is the actual "Satan" that persistently plagues us all.

We build up such tremendous walls of belief to try to suppress our doubts in our selves that we loose sight of who we are at our cores...

Innocent

and perfect...

Yes, Indeed!

If people would stop feeling guilty for a 'sin' they did not commit this world would be a lot better off for sure...

If we were all of like mind there would no longer be a garden. Just a boring flower bed.

Ya'll keep having diferent thoughts... It brings knowledge to us all. Knowledge which we payed for by pissing off the walking god in favor of that which is the great I am.

double post... My bad... Mustv'e thought it to be important.

I love the women in this thread
and the lovely brains within their head

It beats the oozy doodoo
that is dribbled by our DewDrew

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There's no demonic Satan
that has you by your nuts
unless you mind is mad enough
and your soul has lost its guts

The Goddess of the universe
is in the air we breathe
In Earth, and Air, and Fire, and Water
She protects us like a sheathe

The Holy Horned-God Spirit
is the Yang among the Yin
He gives you power freely
it's up to you to never sin

For as you judge you shall be judged
because it's you who makes the rites
And if you're making enemies
it's you who's starting fights

So look into the water
and see the magick of the mirror
You create the image
of the demons that you fear

This is the typical example of the fundamentalist who quotes the Bible just to show that everything is evil and we are all cursed.

FUNDAMENTALISM LEADS TO FANATISM AND FANATISM LEADS TO TERRORISMS.

scary indeed.

The lesser creator gods all want the same thing. Your soul.

News flash: Soul is free.

You don't have to chose a god to worship and serve.

considering how bad the world is today and how a lot of people are... do you really think satan needs to battle for our souls?

"You were the model of perfection, full of wisdom and perfect in beauty (see What Does Satan Look Like?). You were in Eden, the garden of God; every precious stone adorned you: ruby, topaz and emerald, chrysolite, onyx and jasper, sapphire, turquoise and beryl. Your settings and mountings were made of gold; on the day you were created they were prepared. You were anointed as a guardian cherub, for so I ordained you. You were on the Holy Mount of God; you walked among the firey stones. You were blameless in your ways from the day you were created till wickedness was found in you." (Ezekiel 28:12-15)

Snake The horrendously wicked spirit-being that we now know as Satan has not always existed. He was created by God, not as the evil loser (see The Lame Duck) that he is now, but as the above Scripture describes, created perfect in wisdom and beauty. Satan was, at a time long ago, perfectly righteous and obedient before God.

Satan really hates god, so he is expecting a GREAT VICTORY in this END TIME, but CHRIST HAS DEFEATED DEATH to hell for all people; AND GODS GRACE AND GIFT OF SALVATION IS YOURS, BY YOUR FREE WILL TO ACCEPT IT.

To me, "Satan" is the reptilian consciousness and represents the cold blooded Draconian technological society that dominates this galaxy. They are aliens ruled by a draconian queen. They lack spiritual experience and wisdom, they lack compassion and love and emotions.

Lucifer represents this draconian society who was cast down from heaven into third density existence and they were cut off from the higher density spiritual realms. They lack energy and they have to steal it from humans who are still connected to the higher states of consciousness and who have a wider range of emotions, love and compassion.

Yes this draconian society has to battle to hang onto the souls of humans just as a vampire would not want his source of food to disappear. They feed on our energy, they are trying to steal our experience, memories, emotions etc as they desire to reach the higher density worlds.

The only way to reach the higher density worlds is to change your incarnation path to a higher path that incarnates at an accelerated rate simultaneously throughout time, hence the spiritual evolution is on the fast track.

The galaxy aliens do not want to do this because they fear having to incarnate and forfeit the memory of who they are and the memories of their past lives as humans must do, so they are attempting to cheat by stealing experience and memories from humans. They will fail.

Humans will ascend to the higher densities leaving them behind to fend for themselves.

JB