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judgement is continual and neverending
this is the nature of sin and laws there is no in between confessional only how we live our lives there is no one religion above the others that would make no universal sense this is the word and intent of god 
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Ha Ha
 I will trust you. I know and when i came across it the referencese said Miller something. But he was like any other false Prophet around 700 people sold all they had and went out on a hill for this Rapture when it did not come what happened? Oh he found he made a miscalculation and he was a year off I believe. They had a huge conference out east discussing this doctrine and he convinced them over the keeping of the 7th day sabbath which was on the agenda that he would still spread this doctrine of the Rapture. Well it did not happen the 2nd time and i do not know that he claimed a 3rd time or not but amazing as it may seem most of his congregation did not leave. I guess since you through out the OT as old laws false prophets are ok. Look how many preach the Rapture still today.. Blessings My Friennd...Miles
Oh I do see we agree on no Temple being built.. Its a Miracle 
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tribo
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Ha Ha I will trust you. I know and when i came across it the referencese said Miller something. But he was like any other false Prophet around 700 people sold all they had and went out on a hill for this Rapture when it did not come what happened? Oh he found he made a miscalculation and he was a year off I believe. They had a huge conference out east discussing this doctrine and he convinced them over the keeping of the 7th day sabbath which was on the agenda that he would still spread this doctrine of the Rapture. Well it did not happen the 2nd time and i do not know that he claimed a 3rd time or not but amazing as it may seem most of his congregation did not leave. I guess since you through out the OT as old laws false prophets are ok. Look how many preach the Rapture still today.. Blessings My Friennd...Miles
Oh I do see we agree on no Temple being built.. Its a Miracle
you got the millerites nailed to a a tee no doubts - it just wouldn't make sense to me that god woud go through all the trouble of ending the sacrificial system and start it up again for any reason - to me it's just common sense if jesus was the ultimate sacrifice, when he was dieing he said it was finished and the temple curtain was torn asunder in 2 - an end of sacrifices for all time. the "miracle is i can have friends by technology that i otherwise would never have known!! 
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Yea Tribo it is the Jews really who believe all this stuff about the Temple having to be in place for the Messiah to come the 1st time. So it really has nothing to do with us. The if you look at the fight that has gone one forever it is over who is the 1st born of Abraham.
Well Ishmael is the 1st born but not of his wife of his youth. That was Isaac. Then you have Esau being cut off for Jacob and he goes and joins forces with Ishmael. And the conflict over the city of peace goes on. Then if you look at the 10 tribes/nations of Ps 83 they are all arab nations who surround Israel who want Israel gone. They want thier birthright city and Israel thrown away like they feel they have been. Everyone says that these ten nations are in Europe but you have to make this scripture somehow fit with that one when Ps 83 says exactly what the nations surrounding Israel want.. Them annaliated. So in perspective with the Dome on The Rock being where the 2nd Temple sat to me it only makes sence this man of Sin stands up in the Dome on the Rock Declaring himself Elohim with all his armies of Ishmael right thier for when Yahshua comes back.. Shalom..Miles |
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Yea Tribo it is the Jews really who believe all this stuff about the Temple having to be in place for the Messiah to come the 1st time. So it really has nothing to do with us. The if you look at the fight that has gone one forever it is over who is the 1st born of Abraham. Well Ishmael is the 1st born but not of his wife of his youth. That was Isaac. Then you have Esau being cut off for Jacob and he goes and joins forces with Ishmael. And the conflict over the city of peace goes on. Then if you look at the 10 tribes/nations of Ps 83 they are all arab nations who surround Israel who want Israel gone. They want thier birthright city and Israel thrown away like they feel they have been. Everyone says that these ten nations are in Europe but you have to make this scripture somehow fit with that one when Ps 83 says exactly what the nations surrounding Israel want.. Them annaliated. So in perspective with the Dome on The Rock being where the 2nd Temple sat to me it only makes sence this man of Sin stands up in the Dome on the Rock Declaring himself Elohim with all his armies of Ishmael right thier for when Yahshua comes back.. Shalom..Miles your the only person on here it's fun to disagree with miles - but i respect your views no matter how wrong they are - and i will defend your right to be wrong with my last breath. 
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Why Thank you Tribits I mean Tribo.. Are you one of those tribits that made it to earth from the Enterprise? I hope not the way you multiply.Blessings..Miles
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Why Thank you Tribits I mean Tribo.. Are you one of those tribits that made it to earth from the Enterprise? I hope not the way you multiply.Blessings..Miles
Those were "tribbles" little fuzzy creatures like Krimsa - 
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yea thats it Tribbles yea thats it. John Levits. One my favorite comedians.. Shalom..Miles
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The FIG TREE" is also the symbolism for "Fleshy" Israel, just as the olive tree is the symbol for "spiritual" israel. Israel's continual disobedience. The prophet Jeremiah refers to Israel as a choice vine planted by God[14] which has turned against her creator to become a 'corrupt wild vine'. Jeremiah also describes a vision of good and bad figs representing people of Judah conquered by Babylon, those good eventually returning to Jerusalem, those bad being exiled and punished in nations of the earth.[15] The significance of not bearing spiritual fruit means a branch or plant is spiritually dead and must be cut off.[ This may be considered in a context of the Biblical definition of spiritual fruit as love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control.[17] As understood here, to have such fruit we must be grafted onto Christ, the true vine.[18] |
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tribo
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Fri 10/10/08 06:22 PM
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The FIG TREE" is also the symbolism for "Fleshy" Israel, just as the olive tree is the symbol for "spiritual" israel. Israel's continual disobedience. The prophet Jeremiah refers to Israel as a choice vine planted by God[14] which has turned against her creator to become a 'corrupt wild vine'. Jeremiah also describes a vision of good and bad figs representing people of Judah conquered by Babylon, those good eventually returning to Jerusalem, those bad being exiled and punished in nations of the earth.[15] The significance of not bearing spiritual fruit means a branch or plant is spiritually dead and must be cut off.[ This may be considered in a context of the Biblical definition of spiritual fruit as love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control.[17] As understood here, to have such fruit we must be grafted onto Christ, the true vine.[18] yes but when talking about spiritual Israel he always symbolizes it with the olive tree, not the fig tree, as to Jeremiah in that instance was for that particular situation - in the long run god knew even those that re entered jerusalem would become fleshy figs just as jesus calls them . |
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The FIG TREE" is also the symbolism for "Fleshy" Israel, just as the olive tree is the symbol for "spiritual" israel. Israel's continual disobedience. The prophet Jeremiah refers to Israel as a choice vine planted by God[14] which has turned against her creator to become a 'corrupt wild vine'. Jeremiah also describes a vision of good and bad figs representing people of Judah conquered by Babylon, those good eventually returning to Jerusalem, those bad being exiled and punished in nations of the earth.[15] The significance of not bearing spiritual fruit means a branch or plant is spiritually dead and must be cut off.[ This may be considered in a context of the Biblical definition of spiritual fruit as love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control.[17] As understood here, to have such fruit we must be grafted onto Christ, the true vine.[18] except that it is highly prejudiced to consider other religions to be somehow "spiritually dead" and somehow invalidated. this is an argument of spiritual superiority which is repellant to all truly virtuous people. it is most especially inappropriate for christians to apply this line of thought generally towards judaism or islam whose true adherents share all the same basic ethical tenets as christians. it doesn't matter what religion you follow or even if you follow none at all. what matters is if you are "just" and "kind". this is the intention of god. look in your heart and know that god would never punish those who are just and kind regardless of their religious affiliation. |
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The FIG TREE" is also the symbolism for "Fleshy" Israel, just as the olive tree is the symbol for "spiritual" israel. Israel's continual disobedience. The prophet Jeremiah refers to Israel as a choice vine planted by God[14] which has turned against her creator to become a 'corrupt wild vine'. Jeremiah also describes a vision of good and bad figs representing people of Judah conquered by Babylon, those good eventually returning to Jerusalem, those bad being exiled and punished in nations of the earth.[15] The significance of not bearing spiritual fruit means a branch or plant is spiritually dead and must be cut off.[ This may be considered in a context of the Biblical definition of spiritual fruit as love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control.[17] As understood here, to have such fruit we must be grafted onto Christ, the true vine.[18] except that it is highly prejudiced to consider other religions to be somehow "spiritually dead" and somehow invalidated. this is an argument of spiritual superiority which is repellant to all truly virtuous people. it is most especially inappropriate for christians to apply this line of thought generally towards judaism or islam whose true adherents share all the same basic ethical tenets as christians. it doesn't matter what religion you follow or even if you follow none at all. what matters is if you are "just" and "kind". this is the intention of god. look in your heart and know that god would never punish those who are just and kind regardless of their religious affiliation. SAME TENANTS? christians and muslims? jews and muslims? wellas for christians and muslims Islam does not beleive or accept jesus as the son of god or god incarnate [as neither do the jews] it's not a superior view just a different view from the others. you either believe as deb and MS, or you dont like me. Slowhand: what matters is if you are "just" and "kind". this is the intention of god. look in your heart and know that god would never punish those who are just and kind regardless of their religious affiliation. tribo: are you talking of the biblical god? he punished moses, david, and many others that at one point he called people after his own heart such as david. even solomon, maybe you have a different definition than i see for "punishment" if so please explain. Thee god of the bible is not one to be fooled with, he will punish who and when he see's fit - even those who he calls beloved. |
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In our head.. Explain to me Zech 14:9-14 and that being in our heads. Eljay.. the second group of people are the Epriam prophecy we see in Rev 7:11. The great croud who gives thier lives while the beast hunts them as we see in Rev 12:17 they are called the Remenat. So the people all believe it is the second group probally believes when the 2 witnesses come alive. Then they know. They have been on the fence you might say not sure what is real. But then they have such faith they are willing to give thier lives for Messiah.That is all I was really saying. thanks for the words of wisdom though as I see a Faith in you that does not wander. Shalom my Friend...Miles Miles, My main point to Tribo was about determining who and what the "church" is that he was referencing. I didn't really want to get into pre and post-Rapture and Tribulation discussion, as I know his feelings on Preterist theories. I just mentioned the witness' and the rebuilding of the Temple as potential things to watch for - as we both know, as soon as they start rebuilding the Temple - it's off I go to Canada to start building my log cabin, and stockpiling weapons. 
I'll bet you a quadrillion bucks[which i can never pay]there is no temple built - EVER I didn't say that it was something that WOULD happen - I said what I'd do if it DOES happen! There are already excavation being done to determine exactly where the Temple would be located, and research being done on how to build it. For some people anyway, it's hoped to be a reality. do you treally think the musims will allow there shrine to be torn down so they can build it? I don't think that is how it will play out. Chances are - the Dome of the Rock will be brought down, I see that playing out long before an agreement to take it down. No one ever thought the Titanic would sink - or the World Trade Centers could come down, so.... Like anything else - it's all conjecture, but I have no doubt that the Dome of the Rock could be leveled by even a small group of radicals. Then it would need a personality like the Antichrist to get the Temple rebuilt, and it would involve some major political coups. """""MAJOR""""" being the active word here for sure. i agree it would be possable but not likely and if it did come about i see it as mans doing [politically] not gods, what purpose would god have in re-intituting the sacrifices - none - if were to believe what christ was about - thats why futurist views are wrong in my opinion. But all of this will be man's doing. The bible merely reports the prophecy. At this point in time, what is put into motion to bring about Armageddon is due to the acts of man, is it not? For the choices for these things rest with man. Revelation simply reports it as "happened", as it is through the testamony of Jesus to John that these things will happen. |
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In our head.. Explain to me Zech 14:9-14 and that being in our heads. Eljay.. the second group of people are the Epriam prophecy we see in Rev 7:11. The great croud who gives thier lives while the beast hunts them as we see in Rev 12:17 they are called the Remenat. So the people all believe it is the second group probally believes when the 2 witnesses come alive. Then they know. They have been on the fence you might say not sure what is real. But then they have such faith they are willing to give thier lives for Messiah.That is all I was really saying. thanks for the words of wisdom though as I see a Faith in you that does not wander. Shalom my Friend...Miles Miles, My main point to Tribo was about determining who and what the "church" is that he was referencing. I didn't really want to get into pre and post-Rapture and Tribulation discussion, as I know his feelings on Preterist theories. I just mentioned the witness' and the rebuilding of the Temple as potential things to watch for - as we both know, as soon as they start rebuilding the Temple - it's off I go to Canada to start building my log cabin, and stockpiling weapons.
I'll bet you a quadrillion bucks[which i can never pay]there is no temple built - EVER I didn't say that it was something that WOULD happen - I said what I'd do if it DOES happen! There are already excavation being done to determine exactly where the Temple would be located, and research being done on how to build it. For some people anyway, it's hoped to be a reality. do you treally think the musims will allow there shrine to be torn down so they can build it? I don't think that is how it will play out. Chances are - the Dome of the Rock will be brought down, I see that playing out long before an agreement to take it down. No one ever thought the Titanic would sink - or the World Trade Centers could come down, so.... Like anything else - it's all conjecture, but I have no doubt that the Dome of the Rock could be leveled by even a small group of radicals. Then it would need a personality like the Antichrist to get the Temple rebuilt, and it would involve some major political coups. """""MAJOR""""" being the active word here for sure. i agree it would be possable but not likely and if it did come about i see it as mans doing [politically] not gods, what purpose would god have in re-intituting the sacrifices - none - if were to believe what christ was about - thats why futurist views are wrong in my opinion. But all of this will be man's doing. The bible merely reports the prophecy. At this point in time, what is put into motion to bring about Armageddon is due to the acts of man, is it not? For the choices for these things rest with man. Revelation simply reports it as "happened", as it is through the testamony of Jesus to John that these things will happen. [/quoti guess the diff in our thinking eljay is that i see it as already accomplished and you nad others dont so it is hard to agree with you sorry, but if i take a futurist position then yes it could be right , but i cant - hahaha |
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The final Judgement is a 1000 years after armegedon shalom..Miles
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The final Judgement is a 1000 years after armegedon shalom..Miles well then it's over a thousand years to late -
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i do not believe we have seen a 1000 years of peace on earth yet.. Blessings..Miles
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i do not believe we have seen a 1000 years of peace on earth yet.. Blessings..Miles |
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 We are all gonna be judged which of us would make the best chow when the Draco mothership lands in 2012
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literal..
Isa 11:6-9 6 "The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, The leopard shall lie down with the young goat, The calf and the young lion and the fatling together; And a little child shall lead them. 7 The cow and the bear shall graze; Their young ones shall lie down together; And the lion shall eat straw like the ox. 8 The nursing child shall play by the cobra's hole, And the weaned child shall put his hand in the viper's den. 9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all My holy mountain, For the earth shall be full of the knowledge of Yahweh As the waters cover the sea. NKJV Shalom |
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