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Topic: Before the final judgement
tribo Joined Mon 05/12/08 Posts: 5577	Fri 10/10/08 10:18 AM
Well I reckon that the end will never come then.. You get two or more in his name. You end up with two or more interpretations of his word. Peoples is such funny creatures. AGREED, we cant even interprete things written now correctly yet alone 2000 + yrs. ago.

Milesoftheusa Joined Fri 10/27/06 Posts: 5122	Fri 10/10/08 10:35 AM Edited by Milesoftheusa on Fri 10/10/08 10:37 AM
i know exactly what gen3 says. do you know who has that mark? Tell me what the dieing fig tree means. I would like to know.. Shalom..Miles / most everyone who has ever lived has had the mark of the beast at some point. no biggie. by his stripes we are healed. the parable of the fig deals with the anticipation of people getting the ripe figs from the tree as they let go of the tree naturally. this was when the figs were believed to be the best. many times people would actually fight for a place under a fig tree to try to catch the fig's as they fell. quite a comotion because of what people believed. believing in something is fine. fighting about it is not good! Well i hope i have never had the Mark of the beast as it tells us not to take it. The fig tree is a parable just as the mustard seed with faith anything can be possible. Yahshua said things that agreed with the OT in everything he did. So you must go thier to see what he was saying. Prov 27:18 18 Whoever keeps the fig tree will eat its fruit; So he who waits on his master will be honored. NKJV Song 2:13 13 The fig tree puts forth her green figs, And the vines with the tender grapes Give a good smell. Rise up, my love, my fair one, And come away! NKJV This is Speaking of Yahshua's 1st Love. Isa 34:4 All the host of heaven shall be dissolved, And the heavens shall be rolled up like a scroll; All their host shall fall down As the leaf falls from the vine, And as fruit falling from a fig tree NKJV Here we have the withered fig tree and what it means Jer 8:13 I will surely consume them," says Yahweh. "No grapes shall be on the vine, Nor figs on the fig tree , And the leaf shall fade; And the things I have given them shall pass away from them."'" NKJV The Tribulation Mic 4:4-5 4 But everyone shall sit under his vine and under his fig tree , And no one shall make them afraid; For the mouth of Yahweh of hosts has spoken. 5 For all people walk each in the name of his Elohim, But we will walk in the name of Yahweh our Elohim Forever and ever. NKJV Hab 3:17-18 hough the fig tree may not blossom, Nor fruit be on the vines; Though the labor of the olive may fail, And the fields yield no food; Though the flock may be cut off from the fold, And there be no herd in the stalls — 18 Yet I will rejoice in Yahweh, I will joy in the Elohim of my salvation. NKJV Who is this last line? Zech 3:8-10 8'Hear, O Joshua, the high priest, You and your companions who sit before you, For they are a wondrous sign; For behold, I am bringing forth My Servant the BRANCH. 9 For behold, the stone That I have laid before Joshua: Upon the stone are seven eyes. Behold, I will engrave its inscription,' Says Yahweh of hosts, 'And I will remove the iniquity of that land in one day. 10 In that day,' says Yahweh of hosts, 'Everyone will invite his neighbor Under his vine and under his fig tree .'" NKJV This is the 7 Assemblies of Revelations. You can not just say this is what it means Yahweh explains it in his word.. Shalom...Miles

tribo Joined Mon 05/12/08 Posts: 5577	Fri 10/10/08 10:38 AM
The FIG TREE" is also the symbolism for "Fleshy" Israel, just as the olive tree is the symbol for "spiritual" israel.

arkdanimal Joined Wed 08/27/08 Posts: 667	Fri 10/10/08 10:39 AM
i know exactly what gen3 says. do you know who has that mark? Tell me what the dieing fig tree means. I would like to know.. Shalom..Miles / most everyone who has ever lived has had the mark of the beast at some point. no biggie. by his stripes we are healed. the parable of the fig deals with the anticipation of people getting the ripe figs from the tree as they let go of the tree naturally. this was when the figs were believed to be the best. many times people would actually fight for a place under a fig tree to try to catch the fig's as they fell. quite a comotion because of what people believed. believing in something is fine. fighting about it is not good! Well i hope i have never had the Mark of the beast as it tells us not to take it. The fig tree is a parable just as the mustard seed with faith anything can be possible. Yahshua said things that agreed with the OT in everything he did. So you must go thier to see what he was saying. Prov 27:18 18 Whoever keeps the fig tree will eat its fruit; So he who waits on his master will be honored. NKJV Song 2:13 13 The fig tree puts forth her green figs, And the vines with the tender grapes Give a good smell. Rise up, my love, my fair one, And come away! NKJV This is Speaking of Yahshua's 1st Love. Isa 34:4 All the host of heaven shall be dissolved, And the heavens shall be rolled up like a scroll; All their host shall fall down As the leaf falls from the vine, And as fruit falling from a fig tree NKJV Here we have the withered fig tree and what it means Jer 8:13 I will surely consume them," says Yahweh. "No grapes shall be on the vine, Nor figs on the fig tree , And the leaf shall fade; And the things I have given them shall pass away from them."'" NKJV The Tribulation Mic 4:4-5 4 But everyone shall sit under his vine and under his fig tree , And no one shall make them afraid; For the mouth of Yahweh of hosts has spoken. 5 For all people walk each in the name of his god, But we will walk in the name of Yahweh our Elohim Forever and ever. NKJV Hab 3:17-18 hough the fig tree may not blossom, Nor fruit be on the vines; Though the labor of the olive may fail, And the fields yield no food; Though the flock may be cut off from the fold, And there be no herd in the stalls — 18 Yet I will rejoice in Yahweh, I will joy in the Elohim of my salvation. NKJV Who is this last line? Zech 3:8-10 8'Hear, O Joshua, the high priest, You and your companions who sit before you, For they are a wondrous sign; For behold, I am bringing forth My Servant the BRANCH. 9 For behold, the stone That I have laid before Joshua: Upon the stone are seven eyes. Behold, I will engrave its inscription,' Says Yahweh of hosts, 'And I will remove the iniquity of that land in one day. 10 In that day,' says Yahweh of hosts, 'Everyone will invite his neighbor Under his vine and under his fig tree .'" NKJV This is the 7 Assemblies of Revelations. You can not just say this is what it means Yahweh explains it in his word.. Shalom...Miles blah.blah...blah.blah...blah.blah... Oh well I tried, I guess if the horse thinks it is not thirsty long enough it will eventually die of dehydration.

Milesoftheusa Joined Fri 10/27/06 Posts: 5122	Fri 10/10/08 10:45 AM
You are just having fun seeing if you can get someone angered. Blah Blah Blah... Seems to be alot of your answered. I showed you what Yahweh's word says about the fig tree and you don't want any thing to do with it. May Yahweh Take and Harbor Those Who Would Trespass on Your Word...Miles

feralcatlady Joined Mon 10/08/07 Posts: 35491	Fri 10/10/08 10:47 AM
such confusion........ miles your a blessing.......God Bless you sweet man.... Everyone else just simply has no clue...

arkdanimal Joined Wed 08/27/08 Posts: 667	Fri 10/10/08 10:48 AM
You are just having fun seeing if you can get someone angered. Blah Blah Blah... Seems to be alot of your answered. I showed you what Yahweh's word says about the fig tree and you don't want any thing to do with it. May Yahweh Take and Harbor Those Who Would Trespass on Your Word...Miles all together now...do away with greed world wide!!!!!

tribo Joined Mon 05/12/08 Posts: 5577	Fri 10/10/08 11:46 AM
You are just having fun seeing if you can get someone angered. Blah Blah Blah... Seems to be alot of your answered. I showed you what Yahweh's word says about the fig tree and you don't want any thing to do with it. May Yahweh Take and Harbor Those Who Would Trespass on Your Word...Miles all together now...do away with greed world wide!!!!! here again you are wrong, "greed" is not the core problemArk if that's what you beleive your way off base!!

Eljay Joined Tue 05/08/07 Posts: 2426	Fri 10/10/08 01:13 PM
In our head.. Explain to me Zech 14:9-14 and that being in our heads. Eljay.. the second group of people are the Epriam prophecy we see in Rev 7:11. The great croud who gives thier lives while the beast hunts them as we see in Rev 12:17 they are called the Remenat. So the people all believe it is the second group probally believes when the 2 witnesses come alive. Then they know. They have been on the fence you might say not sure what is real. But then they have such faith they are willing to give thier lives for Messiah.That is all I was really saying. thanks for the words of wisdom though as I see a Faith in you that does not wander. Shalom my Friend...Miles Miles, My main point to Tribo was about determining who and what the "church" is that he was referencing. I didn't really want to get into pre and post-Rapture and Tribulation discussion, as I know his feelings on Preterist theories. I just mentioned the witness' and the rebuilding of the Temple as potential things to watch for - as we both know, as soon as they start rebuilding the Temple - it's off I go to Canada to start building my log cabin, and stockpiling weapons.

tribo Joined Mon 05/12/08 Posts: 5577	Fri 10/10/08 01:16 PM
In our head.. Explain to me Zech 14:9-14 and that being in our heads. Eljay.. the second group of people are the Epriam prophecy we see in Rev 7:11. The great croud who gives thier lives while the beast hunts them as we see in Rev 12:17 they are called the Remenat. So the people all believe it is the second group probally believes when the 2 witnesses come alive. Then they know. They have been on the fence you might say not sure what is real. But then they have such faith they are willing to give thier lives for Messiah.That is all I was really saying. thanks for the words of wisdom though as I see a Faith in you that does not wander. Shalom my Friend...Miles Miles, My main point to Tribo was about determining who and what the "church" is that he was referencing. I didn't really want to get into pre and post-Rapture and Tribulation discussion, as I know his feelings on Preterist theories. I just mentioned the witness' and the rebuilding of the Temple as potential things to watch for - as we both know, as soon as they start rebuilding the Temple - it's off I go to Canada to start building my log cabin, and stockpiling weapons. I'll bet you a quadrillion bucks[which i can never pay]there is no temple built - EVER

Eljay Joined Tue 05/08/07 Posts: 2426	Fri 10/10/08 01:17 PM
such confusion........ miles your a blessing.......God Bless you sweet man.... Everyone else just simply has no clue... Everyone else? Let's calm down with the generalities my dear.

Eljay Joined Tue 05/08/07 Posts: 2426	Fri 10/10/08 01:19 PM
In our head.. Explain to me Zech 14:9-14 and that being in our heads. Eljay.. the second group of people are the Epriam prophecy we see in Rev 7:11. The great croud who gives thier lives while the beast hunts them as we see in Rev 12:17 they are called the Remenat. So the people all believe it is the second group probally believes when the 2 witnesses come alive. Then they know. They have been on the fence you might say not sure what is real. But then they have such faith they are willing to give thier lives for Messiah.That is all I was really saying. thanks for the words of wisdom though as I see a Faith in you that does not wander. Shalom my Friend...Miles Miles, My main point to Tribo was about determining who and what the "church" is that he was referencing. I didn't really want to get into pre and post-Rapture and Tribulation discussion, as I know his feelings on Preterist theories. I just mentioned the witness' and the rebuilding of the Temple as potential things to watch for - as we both know, as soon as they start rebuilding the Temple - it's off I go to Canada to start building my log cabin, and stockpiling weapons. I'll bet you a quadrillion bucks[which i can never pay]there is no temple built - EVER I didn't say that it was something that WOULD happen - I said what I'd do if it DOES happen! There are already excavation being done to determine exactly where the Temple would be located, and research being done on how to build it. For some people anyway, it's hoped to be a reality.

tribo Joined Mon 05/12/08 Posts: 5577	Fri 10/10/08 01:38 PM
In our head.. Explain to me Zech 14:9-14 and that being in our heads. Eljay.. the second group of people are the Epriam prophecy we see in Rev 7:11. The great croud who gives thier lives while the beast hunts them as we see in Rev 12:17 they are called the Remenat. So the people all believe it is the second group probally believes when the 2 witnesses come alive. Then they know. They have been on the fence you might say not sure what is real. But then they have such faith they are willing to give thier lives for Messiah.That is all I was really saying. thanks for the words of wisdom though as I see a Faith in you that does not wander. Shalom my Friend...Miles Miles, My main point to Tribo was about determining who and what the "church" is that he was referencing. I didn't really want to get into pre and post-Rapture and Tribulation discussion, as I know his feelings on Preterist theories. I just mentioned the witness' and the rebuilding of the Temple as potential things to watch for - as we both know, as soon as they start rebuilding the Temple - it's off I go to Canada to start building my log cabin, and stockpiling weapons. I'll bet you a quadrillion bucks[which i can never pay]there is no temple built - EVER I didn't say that it was something that WOULD happen - I said what I'd do if it DOES happen! There are already excavation being done to determine exactly where the Temple would be located, and research being done on how to build it. For some people anyway, it's hoped to be a reality. do you treally think the musims will allow there shrine to be torn down so they can build it?

Eljay Joined Tue 05/08/07 Posts: 2426	Fri 10/10/08 01:48 PM
In our head.. Explain to me Zech 14:9-14 and that being in our heads. Eljay.. the second group of people are the Epriam prophecy we see in Rev 7:11. The great croud who gives thier lives while the beast hunts them as we see in Rev 12:17 they are called the Remenat. So the people all believe it is the second group probally believes when the 2 witnesses come alive. Then they know. They have been on the fence you might say not sure what is real. But then they have such faith they are willing to give thier lives for Messiah.That is all I was really saying. thanks for the words of wisdom though as I see a Faith in you that does not wander. Shalom my Friend...Miles Miles, My main point to Tribo was about determining who and what the "church" is that he was referencing. I didn't really want to get into pre and post-Rapture and Tribulation discussion, as I know his feelings on Preterist theories. I just mentioned the witness' and the rebuilding of the Temple as potential things to watch for - as we both know, as soon as they start rebuilding the Temple - it's off I go to Canada to start building my log cabin, and stockpiling weapons. I'll bet you a quadrillion bucks[which i can never pay]there is no temple built - EVER I didn't say that it was something that WOULD happen - I said what I'd do if it DOES happen! There are already excavation being done to determine exactly where the Temple would be located, and research being done on how to build it. For some people anyway, it's hoped to be a reality. do you treally think the musims will allow there shrine to be torn down so they can build it? I don't think that is how it will play out. Chances are - the Dome of the Rock will be brought down, I see that playing out long before an agreement to take it down. No one ever thought the Titanic would sink - or the World Trade Centers could come down, so.... Like anything else - it's all conjecture, but I have no doubt that the Dome of the Rock could be leveled by even a small group of radicals. Then it would need a personality like the Antichrist to get the Temple rebuilt, and it would involve some major political coups.

tribo Joined Mon 05/12/08 Posts: 5577	Fri 10/10/08 01:55 PM
In our head.. Explain to me Zech 14:9-14 and that being in our heads. Eljay.. the second group of people are the Epriam prophecy we see in Rev 7:11. The great croud who gives thier lives while the beast hunts them as we see in Rev 12:17 they are called the Remenat. So the people all believe it is the second group probally believes when the 2 witnesses come alive. Then they know. They have been on the fence you might say not sure what is real. But then they have such faith they are willing to give thier lives for Messiah.That is all I was really saying. thanks for the words of wisdom though as I see a Faith in you that does not wander. Shalom my Friend...Miles Miles, My main point to Tribo was about determining who and what the "church" is that he was referencing. I didn't really want to get into pre and post-Rapture and Tribulation discussion, as I know his feelings on Preterist theories. I just mentioned the witness' and the rebuilding of the Temple as potential things to watch for - as we both know, as soon as they start rebuilding the Temple - it's off I go to Canada to start building my log cabin, and stockpiling weapons. I'll bet you a quadrillion bucks[which i can never pay]there is no temple built - EVER I didn't say that it was something that WOULD happen - I said what I'd do if it DOES happen! There are already excavation being done to determine exactly where the Temple would be located, and research being done on how to build it. For some people anyway, it's hoped to be a reality. do you treally think the musims will allow there shrine to be torn down so they can build it? I don't think that is how it will play out. Chances are - the Dome of the Rock will be brought down, I see that playing out long before an agreement to take it down. No one ever thought the Titanic would sink - or the World Trade Centers could come down, so.... Like anything else - it's all conjecture, but I have no doubt that the Dome of the Rock could be leveled by even a small group of radicals. Then it would need a personality like the Antichrist to get the Temple rebuilt, and it would involve some major political coups. """""MAJOR""""" being the active word here for sure. i agree it would be possable but not likely and if it did come about i see it as mans doing [politically] not gods, what purpose would god have in re-intituting the sacrifices - none - if were to believe what christ was about - thats why futurist views are wrong in my opinion.

Milesoftheusa Joined Fri 10/27/06 Posts: 5122	Fri 10/10/08 03:18 PM
The FIG TREE" is also the symbolism for "Fleshy" Israel, just as the olive tree is the symbol for "spiritual" israel. And just who is Israel Tribo? Shalom...Miles

Milesoftheusa Joined Fri 10/27/06 Posts: 5122	Fri 10/10/08 03:24 PM
In our head.. Explain to me Zech 14:9-14 and that being in our heads. Eljay.. the second group of people are the Epriam prophecy we see in Rev 7:11. The great croud who gives thier lives while the beast hunts them as we see in Rev 12:17 they are called the Remenat. So the people all believe it is the second group probally believes when the 2 witnesses come alive. Then they know. They have been on the fence you might say not sure what is real. But then they have such faith they are willing to give thier lives for Messiah.That is all I was really saying. thanks for the words of wisdom though as I see a Faith in you that does not wander. Shalom my Friend...Miles Miles, My main point to Tribo was about determining who and what the "church" is that he was referencing. I didn't really want to get into pre and post-Rapture and Tribulation discussion, as I know his feelings on Preterist theories. I just mentioned the witness' and the rebuilding of the Temple as potential things to watch for - as we both know, as soon as they start rebuilding the Temple - it's off I go to Canada to start building my log cabin, and stockpiling weapons. I was not getting into any Rapture therories Eljay since I can not find it in the scriptures. It was made up by a professed False Prophet of the Millerites in the 1840's. Why do so many people believe in this Temple being built? If it is a Temple to Yahweh would the priests flee? I also thought we were the New Temple made without hands that no glorious Temple could ever compete with. So why are we looking for a Temple to be built? Shalom...Miles

tribo Joined Mon 05/12/08 Posts: 5577	Fri 10/10/08 03:40 PM Edited by tribo on Fri 10/10/08 03:43 PM
The FIG TREE" is also the symbolism for "Fleshy" Israel, just as the olive tree is the symbol for "spiritual" israel. And just who is Israel Tribo? Shalom...Miles spiritual israel is those who put their faith in god and follow him, this would be jacob, Israel, moses, david, etc.. and all those we may not know of in the same class - they are the olive tree. the ones who rebel against god of the Isrealites are the fig tree and both god and jesus condemn them. If your concidering new testament believers those who put thier faith in god/jesus both then and now.

Milesoftheusa Joined Fri 10/27/06 Posts: 5122	Fri 10/10/08 03:46 PM
Interesting. I said that because it is like it has been forgotten thier were 12 tribes then 1 is gone and the sons of joseph are adopted into Israel with Epriam having a great Blessing put on him. So most do not realize that or that thier ended up 13 all the way through the scriptures because of adoption which comes down to us. Shalom..Miles

tribo Joined Mon 05/12/08 Posts: 5577	Fri 10/10/08 03:48 PM
In our head.. Explain to me Zech 14:9-14 and that being in our heads. Eljay.. the second group of people are the Epriam prophecy we see in Rev 7:11. The great croud who gives thier lives while the beast hunts them as we see in Rev 12:17 they are called the Remenat. So the people all believe it is the second group probally believes when the 2 witnesses come alive. Then they know. They have been on the fence you might say not sure what is real. But then they have such faith they are willing to give thier lives for Messiah.That is all I was really saying. thanks for the words of wisdom though as I see a Faith in you that does not wander. Shalom my Friend...Miles Miles, My main point to Tribo was about determining who and what the "church" is that he was referencing. I didn't really want to get into pre and post-Rapture and Tribulation discussion, as I know his feelings on Preterist theories. I just mentioned the witness' and the rebuilding of the Temple as potential things to watch for - as we both know, as soon as they start rebuilding the Temple - it's off I go to Canada to start building my log cabin, and stockpiling weapons. I was not getting into any Rapture therories Eljay since I can not find it in the scriptures. It was made up by a professed False Prophet of the Millerites in the 1840's. Why do so many people believe in this Temple being built? If it is a Temple to Yahweh would the priests flee? I also thought we were the New Temple made without hands that no glorious Temple could ever compete with. So why are we looking for a Temple to be built? Shalom...Miles no it was not the millerites were following darby's teaching and he is trhe one resposable for bringing mary macdonalds [a irish girls] vision of this so called rapture into light, from there the millerites came to thier beliefs in this do your homework my friend, darby, then scofield and moody all jumped on this bandwagon of dispensationalism that america is now fraught with, and even then a close look will show darby himself plagerized another mans work on this dispensational theory, so the futurist are following the lies of darby stolen from another man, but that's no surprise now is it? stop spreading falsities -