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Topic: Don't believe that OBAMA will raise your taxes!
Quikstepper's photo
Mon 10/06/08 05:07 PM
Just ask the people in california about the tax & out of control spender lib DEMS who run that state. Poor Arnie... can't get anything done without giving DEMS their pork.

Another DEM lie...

Let's not forget NJ.... same thing.

So much for trying to hide their true intentions. Right?

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Mon 10/06/08 05:12 PM
it doesn't matter who get's elected

taxes will be raised to pay off some of this 10 trillion debt that Bush has made

t22learner's photo
Mon 10/06/08 05:37 PM
Yep, the republicans "no tax and spend anyway" has worked out great.

Quikstepper's photo
Mon 10/06/08 05:41 PM
BUSH was not the only elected. So can you say DEMS are corrupt too?

So can you name one thing they have actually done to deserve re-election?

willy_cents's photo
Mon 10/06/08 05:48 PM
the one thing to remember in an election campaign.....the first casualty is the truth. The second casualty is all the promises that are made to "sucker" you into voting for them. Garanteed,,,If Obama is elected, all the promises he issued during the campaign will be promptly forgotten as soon as the polls close. He promised to serve his full senate term to the people of Ill...and guess what? He promised to accept only fed money for his campaign,,,,guess what? I am certain the libs can point out the same stuff for McCain. Quickest way to make an honest man forget all his principles is to offer him the chance to run for public office,:angry: rant

Quikstepper's photo
Mon 10/06/08 05:58 PM
Edited by Quikstepper on Mon 10/06/08 05:58 PM
Unfortunately...you are so right about that. (sigh)

I believe the only reason they are talking about what they are, is to get re-elected. Once the elections are over they will go back to being the out of control run away train they've been all along.

tdemik's photo
Mon 10/06/08 06:03 PM
This is copied from an article written in 1999 and explains that Clinton caused this mortage and economic meltdown. Please ducate yourself before you make accusations.

FannieMae Eases credit To Aid Mortgage Lending- New york Times

Page 1 of2
Septembe3r 0, 1999
Fannie Mae Eases Credit To Aid Mortgage Lending
By STEVENA , HOLMES
ln a move that could help increase home ownership rates among minorities and low-income consumers, the Fannie Mae
Corporation is easing the credit requirements on loans that it will purchase from banks and other lenders.
The action, which will begin as a pilot program involving 24 banks in 15 markets -- including the New York
metropolitan region -- will encourage those banks to extend home mortgages to individuals whose credit is generally not
good enough to qualifu for conventional loans. Fannie Mae officials say they hope to make it a nationwide program by
next spring.
Fannie Mae, the nation's biggest underwriter of home mortgages, has been under increasing pressure from the Clinton
Administr4fq4.!oexpandmortgageloansamonglowandmoderateincomepeopleandfel@s
t6- mainGffiLen&nenal gto;nflr in profits.
In addition, banks, thrift institutions and mortgage companies have been pressing Fannie Mae to help them make more
loans to so-called subprime borrowers. These borrowers whose incomes, credit ratings and savings are not good enough
to qualify for conventional loans, can only get loans from finance companies that charge much higher interest rates --
anywhere from three to four percentage points higher than conventional loans.
"Fannie Mae has expanded home ownership for millions of families in the 1990's by reducing down payment
requirements," said Franklin D. Raines, Fannie Mae's chairman and chief executive officer. "Yet there remain too many
borrowers whose credit is just a notch below what our underwriting has required who have been relegated to paying
significantly higher mortgage rates in the so-called subprime market."
Demographic information on these borrowers is sketchy. But at least one study indicates that l8 percent of the loans in
the subprime market went to black borrowers, compared to 5 per cent of loans in the conventional loan market.
In moving. even tentativelv. into this new area of lendine. Fannie Mae is taking on significantly more risk. yhich may
not pose any difficulties during flush ec o troubld
iiTfeconomic do@overnment rescue sim
"From the perspective of many people, including me, this is another thrift industry growing up around us," said Peter
Wallison a resident fellow at the American Enterprise Institute. "If they fail. the government will have to step up and ,
bail them out the way it stepped up and bailed out the thrift industry."
Under Fannie Mae's pilot program, consurners who qualiff can secure a mortgage with an interest rate one percentage
point above that of a conventional, 30-year fixed rate mortgage of less than $240,000 -- a rate that currently averages
about 7 .76 per cent. If the borrower makes his or her monthly payments on time for two years, the one percentage point
premium is dropped.
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FannieM ae Easesc redit To Aid MortgageL ending- New york rimes Page2o f2
Fannie Mae, the nation's biggest underwriter of home mortgages, does not lend money directly to consumers. Instead, it
purchasesl oans that banks make on what is called the secondarym arket. By expandingt he type of loans that it will buy,
Fannie Mae is hoping to spur banks to make more loans to people with less-than-stellarc redit ratings.
Fannie Mae officials stress that the new mortgages will be extended to all potential borrowers who can qualifi, for a
mortgage. But they add that the move is intended in part to increase the number of minority and low income home
(owners who tend to have worse credit ratings than non-Hispanic whites.
Home ownership has, in fact, exploded among minorities during the economic boom of the 1990's. The number of
mortgages extended to Hispanic applicants jumped by 57.2 per cent from 1993 to 1998, according to Harvard
University's Joint Center for Housing Studies. During that same period the number of African Americans who got
mortgages to buy a home increased by 71.9 per cent and the number of Asian Americans by 46.3 per cent.
In contrast, the number of non-Hispanic whites who received loans for homes increased by 31.2 per cent.
Despite these gains, home ownership rates for minorities continue to lag behind non-Hispanic whites, in part because
blacks and Hispanics in particular tend to have on average worse credit ratings.
In July, the Department of Housing and Urban Development proposed that by the year 2001,50 percent of Fannie Mae's
and Freddie Mac's portfolio be made up of loans to low and moderate-income borrowers. Last year, 44 percent of the
loans Fannie Mae purchased were from these groups.
The change in policy also comes at the same time that HUD is investigating allegations of racial discrimination in the
automated underwriting systems used by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to determine the credit-worthiness of credit
applicants.
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tdemik's photo
Mon 10/06/08 06:08 PM
Please check this out on snopes before you make anymorre accusations about the failed system which was actually created by Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton!!!!!!

Copy and paste this link for the article authorization.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/easescredit.asp

Please educate yourselves my friends.

no photo
Mon 10/06/08 06:12 PM

This is copied from an article written in 1999 and explains that Clinton caused this mortage and economic meltdown. Please ducate yourself before you make accusations.

FannieMae Eases credit To Aid Mortgage Lending- New york Times

Page 1 of2
Septembe3r 0, 1999
Fannie Mae Eases Credit To Aid Mortgage Lending
By STEVENA , HOLMES
ln a move that could help increase home ownership rates among minorities and low-income consumers, the Fannie Mae
Corporation is easing the credit requirements on loans that it will purchase from banks and other lenders.
The action, which will begin as a pilot program involving 24 banks in 15 markets -- including the New York
metropolitan region -- will encourage those banks to extend home mortgages to individuals whose credit is generally not
good enough to qualifu for conventional loans. Fannie Mae officials say they hope to make it a nationwide program by
next spring.
Fannie Mae, the nation's biggest underwriter of home mortgages, has been under increasing pressure from the Clinton
Administr4fq4.!oexpandmortgageloansamonglowandmoderateincomepeopleandfel@s
t6- mainGffiLen&nenal gto;nflr in profits.
In addition, banks, thrift institutions and mortgage companies have been pressing Fannie Mae to help them make more
loans to so-called subprime borrowers. These borrowers whose incomes, credit ratings and savings are not good enough
to qualify for conventional loans, can only get loans from finance companies that charge much higher interest rates --
anywhere from three to four percentage points higher than conventional loans.
"Fannie Mae has expanded home ownership for millions of families in the 1990's by reducing down payment
requirements," said Franklin D. Raines, Fannie Mae's chairman and chief executive officer. "Yet there remain too many
borrowers whose credit is just a notch below what our underwriting has required who have been relegated to paying
significantly higher mortgage rates in the so-called subprime market."
Demographic information on these borrowers is sketchy. But at least one study indicates that l8 percent of the loans in
the subprime market went to black borrowers, compared to 5 per cent of loans in the conventional loan market.
In moving. even tentativelv. into this new area of lendine. Fannie Mae is taking on significantly more risk. yhich may
not pose any difficulties during flush ec o troubld
iiTfeconomic do@overnment rescue sim
"From the perspective of many people, including me, this is another thrift industry growing up around us," said Peter
Wallison a resident fellow at the American Enterprise Institute. "If they fail. the government will have to step up and ,
bail them out the way it stepped up and bailed out the thrift industry."
Under Fannie Mae's pilot program, consurners who qualiff can secure a mortgage with an interest rate one percentage
point above that of a conventional, 30-year fixed rate mortgage of less than $240,000 -- a rate that currently averages
about 7 .76 per cent. If the borrower makes his or her monthly payments on time for two years, the one percentage point
premium is dropped.
http://query.nytimes.com/gsVfullpage.html?res:9C0DE7D8153EF933A0575AC0A96F958260&91s2e5c:1&2s0p0.8..
FannieM ae Easesc redit To Aid MortgageL ending- New york rimes Page2o f2
Fannie Mae, the nation's biggest underwriter of home mortgages, does not lend money directly to consumers. Instead, it
purchasesl oans that banks make on what is called the secondarym arket. By expandingt he type of loans that it will buy,
Fannie Mae is hoping to spur banks to make more loans to people with less-than-stellarc redit ratings.
Fannie Mae officials stress that the new mortgages will be extended to all potential borrowers who can qualifi, for a
mortgage. But they add that the move is intended in part to increase the number of minority and low income home
(owners who tend to have worse credit ratings than non-Hispanic whites.
Home ownership has, in fact, exploded among minorities during the economic boom of the 1990's. The number of
mortgages extended to Hispanic applicants jumped by 57.2 per cent from 1993 to 1998, according to Harvard
University's Joint Center for Housing Studies. During that same period the number of African Americans who got
mortgages to buy a home increased by 71.9 per cent and the number of Asian Americans by 46.3 per cent.
In contrast, the number of non-Hispanic whites who received loans for homes increased by 31.2 per cent.
Despite these gains, home ownership rates for minorities continue to lag behind non-Hispanic whites, in part because
blacks and Hispanics in particular tend to have on average worse credit ratings.
In July, the Department of Housing and Urban Development proposed that by the year 2001,50 percent of Fannie Mae's
and Freddie Mac's portfolio be made up of loans to low and moderate-income borrowers. Last year, 44 percent of the
loans Fannie Mae purchased were from these groups.
The change in policy also comes at the same time that HUD is investigating allegations of racial discrimination in the
automated underwriting systems used by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to determine the credit-worthiness of credit
applicants.
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Clinton had a republican congress the last six years and Bush had a republican congress the first 6 yrs..Blaming Clinton for everything is as asinine as blaming the democratic congress of the last two years..The president is nothing more than a puppet..

willy_cents's photo
Mon 10/06/08 06:18 PM
"No man's life, liberty or pursuit of happiness, nor his wallet, is safe when the legislature is in session," Will Rogers, I think.

The bailout just voted by congress was in no way a bailout for the financial sector, but was instead a bailout for the congress.

wouldee's photo
Mon 10/06/08 06:35 PM
this ought to irritate, infuriate and alienate quite nicely.LOL



Democrats caused downward spiral to economy to undermine a republican President and the upcoming election. Checkmate:
http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2008/09/27/youtube-video-causes-stir-by-showing-how-democrats-caused-crisis

http://federalism.typepad.com/crime_federalism/democrats_caused_market_meltdown/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-n5nkRKsWk

http://www.comcast.net/data/fan/html/popup.html?v=877970171&pl=878950496.xml&plc=878950496&launchpoint=Cover&cid=fancover&attr=default_headline&config=/config/common/fan/default.xml


mnhiker's photo
Mon 10/06/08 06:38 PM
Who has controlled Congress for most of the past 7 1/2 years?

Answer: Republicans

They are primarily responsible for the economic mess this country is in now.

t22learner's photo
Mon 10/06/08 06:39 PM
It's not possible to undermine Bush and he got himself to historically low approval ratings. There were plenty of Dubya ****ups before the financial markets tanked.

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Mon 10/06/08 06:41 PM

Who has controlled Congress for most of the past 7 1/2 years?

Answer: Republicans

They are primarily responsible for the economic mess this country is in now.
You can go back 6 more years of rep control..

willy_cents's photo
Mon 10/06/08 06:43 PM
the downturn is due to a tight credit market. It is caused by, actually, all the idiots who lived on their credit cards and borrowed money that they could not pay back are the cause of the current financial turndown. anyone who is so stupid to get that deeply in debt, or get a mortgage that there was no way in heck that they could pay back displays their true inteligence....approximately that of a knat....and they will all vote dem in the hopes that the govt will bail their sorry butts out.

t22learner's photo
Mon 10/06/08 06:47 PM
And a derivatives market (house of cards) that was born out of republican led financial industry deregulation.

Lynann's photo
Mon 10/06/08 06:49 PM
Oh heck...why pay our own bills when we can keep increasing our debt to China among others.

Personally, I only spend what I can afford. I have no respect for people who live on credit....oh wait...that's the American way isn't it?

How can it be even a little okay to ignore the national debt that has wildly increased under Bush. He hasn't raised your taxes right? Nah, he has only insured that future generations will be paying the interest on that debt for their whole lives.

I personally consider that a reckless and halfassed way to live or to run a country. Not to mention it is a threat to our physical and economic security. But oh well...it's not as bad as raising taxes right?

Man, I'd like to see what your budget at home looks like if you feel that way and conduct your affairs that way. Because if you do, that makes you part of the problem.

no photo
Mon 10/06/08 06:50 PM

the downturn is due to a tight credit market. It is caused by, actually, all the idiots who lived on their credit cards and borrowed money that they could not pay back are the cause of the current financial turndown. anyone who is so stupid to get that deeply in debt, or get a mortgage that there was no way in heck that they could pay back displays their true inteligence....approximately that of a knat....and they will all vote dem in the hopes that the govt will bail their sorry butts out.
That did play apart with a tanking economy, millions of jobs lost, house values dropping %40, unaffordable health care, 2 wars that were not run right, and no energy plan...

willy_cents's photo
Mon 10/06/08 06:50 PM
Weel, feel comfortable that the days of additional regulation are going to be back...regulated health care, regulated banking, regulated income..and anything else the govt can regulate. Heck, the dems will p;robably try to regulate our sex lives, although, in my case, they won't have much to regulategrumble grumble laugh

mnhiker's photo
Mon 10/06/08 06:57 PM

Oh heck...why pay our own bills when we can keep increasing our debt to China among others.

Personally, I only spend what I can afford. I have no respect for people who live on credit....oh wait...that's the American way isn't it?

How can it be even a little okay to ignore the national debt that has wildly increased under Bush. He hasn't raised your taxes right? Nah, he has only insured that future generations will be paying the interest on that debt for their whole lives.

I personally consider that a reckless and halfassed way to live or to run a country. Not to mention it is a threat to our physical and economic security. But oh well...it's not as bad as raising taxes right?

Man, I'd like to see what your budget at home looks like if you feel that way and conduct your affairs that way. Because if you do, that makes you part of the problem.


I try to only spend what I can afford as well.

And that's because I have credit debt, but not because I wanted to buy a big screen plasma tv or a new car.

It's because I had to live on something after my call center closed and my severance pay ran out.

And all the call center jobs got shipped to Bangalore thanks to globalization.

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