Topic: Allegory Of The Cave
enderra's photo
Fri 10/03/08 04:07 PM
Do you ever feel like you have escaped. Try as you might you can't convince the other side that they are watching a shadow..

Last night after the debate I watch a bit of a undecided voters and a gentleman from Iowa said he like Palin more than Biden because he felt Biden wasn't sticking with the questions asked.noway noway noway


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Fri 10/03/08 04:21 PM
frustrated

Drivinmenutz's photo
Fri 10/03/08 04:31 PM
McCain supporters loved Palin, they think she did better. Obama supporters thought Biden smoked Palin. Truth is everyone is trying to judge an acting contest. It's all opinion based. Who has the better ideas about economy, foreign policies, civil liberties? Truth is, niether. They all want things to go the way they've been going. No one has been able to defend this... Don't worry, nomatter which one gets in, you guys will all see things change very quickly...

Why vote for anyone who participates in an act of economic terrorism?

Winx's photo
Fri 10/03/08 04:32 PM

Do you ever feel like you have escaped. Try as you might you can't convince the other side that they are watching a shadow..

Last night after the debate I watch a bit of a undecided voters and a gentleman from Iowa said he like Palin more than Biden because he felt Biden wasn't sticking with the questions asked.noway noway noway




I saw that. laugh I can't imagine what the reporters were thinking.laugh The word, idiot, come to my mind.

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Sat 10/04/08 12:10 AM
Edited by wouldee on Sat 10/04/08 12:10 AM
The Lake Isle of Innisfree
William Butler Yeates


I WILL arise and go now, and go to Innisfree,
And a small cabin build there, of clay and wattles made;
Nine bean rows will I have there, a hive for the honey bee,
And live alone in the bee-loud glade.

And I shall have some peace there, for peace comes dropping slow,
Dropping from the veils of the morning to where the cricket sings;
There midnight's all a glimmer, and noon a purple glow,
And evening full of the linnet's wings.

I will arise and go now, for always night and day
I hear lake water lapping with low sounds by the shore;
While I stand on the roadway, or on the pavements gray,
I hear it in the deep heart's core.
drinker

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Sat 10/04/08 03:47 AM
Neither of them won...we lost. I thought they were both true to form.

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Sat 10/04/08 04:37 AM
Edited by s1owhand on Sat 10/04/08 05:09 AM
laugh

Biden was predictably much more poised and effective with his answers. She was evasive and missed several opportunities to point out strengths of her ticket's positions. At least neither one of them made total fools out of themselves as they both have done in the recent past.

noway

Few people were swayed by this debate though. It will all come down to the interaction between McCain and Obama over the next few weeks, whether McCain can convince anybody that he has any kind of real plan to deal with the financial crisis and $700B - I mean $850B (w/pork) money grab going on now. His most effective attack will be that he will personally oversee the slashing of all the pork and moreover will outline a plan to ensure that the $700B gets back to the voters. How? He needs to come up with a better health care proposal. He must expose why Biden's claim that he would tax health care benefits is a lie.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2097284/posts

How are we going to ensure that everyone has access to decent health care insurance? He needs to continue to point out exactly why Obama's approach to militant Islam is defective - because it is. I think it will be his approach to the economy and health care which will win him or lose him the election. McCain should point out that Obama cannot hope to pass his legislative agenda when he has never led the fight for tough legislative proposals in the past and he can't pay for them even if he were to pass them. Watch for the electoral map similarities to the 2004 map to emerge. It may be a very close election.

Obama must convince people to vote for him even though his resume is razor thin because his party has the better plan and better platform. He must convince undecideds that he is really capable of putting together an administration that can be effective. He should back down on having a timetable to leave Iraq which is an obviously stupid tactic if you want any hope for stability there. He needs to understand why Al Qaida believes in the importance of Iraq - I'll give you a hint - It has something to do with geography, population and oil....

laugh

Obama must convince the voters that he can actually get his health care plan passed by the uber-partisan legislature - hint (he can't) - I vaguely remember the abortion which was the Hillary health care plan...Also, he needs to explain how he is going to pass his tax plan - (also doomed to abject failure). Why should we believe it is not all puffery? Will he not likely be even more polarizing a political figure than Hillary? "You betcha."


enderra's photo
Sat 10/04/08 05:36 AM

laugh

Biden was predictably much more poised and effective with his answers. She was evasive and missed several opportunities to point out strengths of her ticket's positions. At least neither one of them made total fools out of themselves as they both have done in the recent past.

noway

Few people were swayed by this debate though. It will all come down to the interaction between McCain and Obama over the next few weeks, whether McCain can convince anybody that he has any kind of real plan to deal with the financial crisis and $700B - I mean $850B (w/pork) money grab going on now. His most effective attack will be that he will personally oversee the slashing of all the pork and moreover will outline a plan to ensure that the $700B gets back to the voters. How? He needs to come up with a better health care proposal. He must expose why Biden's claim that he would tax health care benefits is a lie.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2097284/posts

How are we going to ensure that everyone has access to decent health care insurance? He needs to continue to point out exactly why Obama's approach to militant Islam is defective - because it is. I think it will be his approach to the economy and health care which will win him or lose him the election. McCain should point out that Obama cannot hope to pass his legislative agenda when he has never led the fight for tough legislative proposals in the past and he can't pay for them even if he were to pass them. Watch for the electoral map similarities to the 2004 map to emerge. It may be a very close election.

Obama must convince people to vote for him even though his resume is razor thin because his party has the better plan and better platform. He must convince undecideds that he is really capable of putting together an administration that can be effective. He should back down on having a timetable to leave Iraq which is an obviously stupid tactic if you want any hope for stability there. He needs to understand why Al Qaida believes in the importance of Iraq - I'll give you a hint - It has something to do with geography, population and oil....

laugh

Obama must convince the voters that he can actually get his health care plan passed by the uber-partisan legislature - hint (he can't) - I vaguely remember the abortion which was the Hillary health care plan...Also, he needs to explain how he is going to pass his tax plan - (also doomed to abject failure). Why should we believe it is not all puffery? Will he not likely be even more polarizing a political figure than Hillary? "You betcha."


i think it is time to give up the issue of Obama's resume when the office of the presidency has had quite a few people elected with equally "razor thin resumes".

As for his outlook or approach to militant Islam, it would be alittle hard to say it is wrong when it has not been tried. Of course we can continue to relate to them as we have been doing at the expense of the lives of young americans, or economy, how the rest of the world thinks about us. Maybe we can replace the "drill Baby Drill" chant with "Bomb Baby Bomb"

Though health care is an important issue, I believe that we all should be more focused on not increasing the homeless population, finally putting white collar robber Barons in jail, no under the jail.

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Sat 10/04/08 07:15 AM
Edited by s1owhand on Sat 10/04/08 07:39 AM
call me cynical but i still believe experience matters

Obama's practical experience for the Presidency is by
far the least of any President in our lifetime. The next
closest in terms of lack of experience are Jimmy Carter
and George W Bush and we all know how great their terms
as President worked out.

noway

I'm concerned that Obama downplays and fails to understand the threat of militant Islam in the mideast that's all. Of course Pakistan and Afghanistan are also important but the location of Iran, Syria and Iraq their large treasuries, oil reserves, access to nuclear technology, and military posture are forefront issues. The Taliban and remnants of the Al Qaida are largely bottled up though they are obviously quite dangerous.

Health care is a problem for both Obama and McCain and of course for all of us. There is no obvious way that it is going to be approached or solved in the near term.

Likewise, no one, neither McCain nor Obama understands how the now porkladen bailout is going to play out for our economy. How this bloated bailout will help those of us who have just mortgaged our children's futures is yet to be seen but at least they're complaining about it.


enderra's photo
Sat 10/04/08 09:41 AM

call me cynical but i still believe experience matters

Obama's practical experience for the Presidency is by
far the least of any President in our lifetime. The next
closest in terms of lack of experience are Jimmy Carter
and George W Bush and we all know how great their terms
as President worked out.

noway

I'm concerned that Obama downplays and fails to understand the threat of militant Islam in the mideast that's all. Of course Pakistan and Afghanistan are also important but the location of Iran, Syria and Iraq their large treasuries, oil reserves, access to nuclear technology, and military posture are forefront issues. The Taliban and remnants of the Al Qaida are largely bottled up though they are obviously quite dangerous.

Health care is a problem for both Obama and McCain and of course for all of us. There is no obvious way that it is going to be approached or solved in the near term.

Likewise, no one, neither McCain nor Obama understands how the now porkladen bailout is going to play out for our economy. How this bloated bailout will help those of us who have just mortgaged our children's futures is yet to be seen but at least they're complaining about it.

I think you are wrong. I think Obama has been and continues to be more aware has much more understanding of the middle east than anyone in the white house and most of the members of congress

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Sat 10/04/08 01:29 PM
I don't know...I think we will know in a few days how well SARAH really did...almost 70 mil people tuned in to watch this debate.

I don't believe the instant poling...