Topic: What Buddhist Try To Practice
enderra's photo
Thu 10/02/08 08:50 AM
Does anyone recognize this?

1. One should not teach the profound doctrine of the Mahayana to someone who has not sufficient wisdom to recognize it.
2. One should not discourage others from striving for Mahayana and encourage them to aim at Hinayana.
3. One should not give up the pratimoksha and learn Mahayana only.
4. One should not disparage the Hinayana and over-encourage others to learn Mahayana only.
5. One should not preach Mahayana to one's disciples for the sake of getting many offerings, saying that one's preaching is better than others.
6. One should not preach sutra and Dharani and say that such profound doctrines are gotten from oneself and not from others.
7. One should worship, praise and believe in the Three Jewels more or less daily.
8. One should not allow the mind to follow fame and money.
9. One should show respect for virtuous seniors.
10. One should accept the invitation of a believer.
11. One should accept a lawful precious offering if offered in faith.
12. One should expound the Dharma to someone desirous of hearing it (even if they desire with an evil motive).
13. One should not leave evil-doers or anyone breaking his sila without benefitting them.
14. One should exert oneself to protect others and let them develop faith if they have any.
15. One should not be slack with regard to the welfare of others or to refuse to accept extra monastic requisites from them even when they are happy to give them.
16. One should be prepared to transcend, out of compassion for others, the seven kinds of vinaya rules.
17. One should not gain anything by wrong livelihood or false fatalism (drsti-jivitendriya)
18. One should not be restless (auddhatya).
19. One should not think that one should not like Hinayana Nirvana and dislike Samsara as Hinayanists do, but should actually practice the right Dharma to lead oneself to transcend the Nirvana of Hinayana into that of Mahayana.
20. One should take steps to put an end to slander about oneself either in fact or nonfact.
21. It is a sin not to check evil doers out of fear of incurring their displeasure.
22. One should not return abuse, strike or strife.
23. One should pacify those who doubt one and become angry.
24. One should excuse those who have offended one and asked for forgiveness.
25. One should not continually indulge in angry thoughts about others.
26. One should not with lust have disciples for personal aggrandizement.
27. One should dispel laziness and over-sleeping.
28. One should not waste time in idle talk.
29. One should search after the method or technique of Samadhi.
30. One should destroy the five hindrances at the time of their appearance.
31. One should not become attached to the experience of Samadhi. Comment: Someone may like only to practice Samadhi so they always keep Samadhi and do not help others. This is not what a Bodhisattva should do. Every day such a one should practice this vinaya to the right degree. If the person is too attached to the experience of Samadhi then he will not do anything to help others and will be lacking in the Great Compassion. This is why this vow forbids such practice.
32. One should not disparage the Hinayana. Comment: If you learn too much Hinayana this is not so good; if you do not take care to learn some Hinayana, this is also not so good. Both are mentioned.
33. One should not, while capable of practicing the Bodhisattva idea, abandon it to follow the Hinayana. Comment: There is no contradiction between these last two. You must first practice Hinayana to attain the Mahayana position of Bodhisattva. Once you achieve the Mahayana, you should not give up Hinayana. The Mahayana person must still keep impermanence, still keep renunciation. Even if you keep in touch with many persons to save them, you still must keep renunciation for yourself. This is why if any day is without three times of meditation, the person did not keep the Bodhisattva vow.
34. One should not abandon the study of the Dharma and devote oneself to the study of the works of the Tirthikas (outsiders). Comment: This means that you should not only devote yourself to the study of the Dharma but should also learn a little worldly knowledge. Because a Bodhisattva has to teach others, he has to know also about worldly knowledge. Two thirds of your daily study should be on the Dharma, and one third on worldly knowledge.
35. One should not take delight in studying the works of the Tirthikas (outsiders), if not for the purpose of debate.
36. One must have faith in the profound truth and the supernatural power of the Mahayana.
37. One should urge oneself to believe in the secret and profound Dharma which is difficult to believe in.
38. One should not abuse and disparage a preacher of the Dharma and pay attention only to the letter and not to the spirit of what he says.
39. One should help those in need of money or of any kind of help.
40. One should not neglect the sick.
41. One should exhort evil-doers, warning them that in both this and the next life they will have to experience the results of their actions.
42. One should return a good deed to the benefactors.
43. One should remove suffering and console those who are unhappy.
44. One should give to those who are desirous of livelihood.
45. One should work for one's circle of disciples.
46. One should adjust oneself to others in doing religious work, taking their feelings into consideration.
47. One should praise the good qualities of others.
48. One should take suitable action against those inimical to the Dharma.
49. One should terrify the enemies of the Dharma by means of supernatural powers.

franshade's photo
Thu 10/02/08 09:00 AM
Forty-Six Apattis --
These are the small sins which will cause some punishment according to the degree of the action, but will not cause one to fall into hell.

However, when I looked online most of these are incorrect. for example your #49

49. One should terrify the enemies of the Dharma by means of supernatural powers.


I found (http://www.yogichen.org/cw/cw29/bk043.html)

45. Not to terrify the enemies of the Dharma by means of supernatural powers.

But thanks interesting reading and research.

enderra's photo
Thu 10/02/08 09:05 AM

Forty-Six Apattis --
These are the small sins which will cause some punishment according to the degree of the action, but will not cause one to fall into hell.

However, when I looked online most of these are incorrect. for example your #49

49. One should terrify the enemies of the Dharma by means of supernatural powers.


I found (http://www.yogichen.org/cw/cw29/bk043.html)

45. Not to terrify the enemies of the Dharma by means of supernatural powers.

But thanks interesting reading and research.
excuse me! I Copied and paste these without alteration. I did not, note taht thank you for your correction.

franshade's photo
Thu 10/02/08 09:15 AM
did you by chance ck out the link I posted, I am not knowledgable on this topic but interested in finding out more. Is the linked website credible?

enderra's photo
Thu 10/02/08 09:24 AM

did you by chance ck out the link I posted, I am not knowledgable on this topic but interested in finding out more. Is the linked website credible?
yes it is.

franshade's photo
Thu 10/02/08 09:25 AM
thanks! flowerforyou

enderra's photo
Thu 10/02/08 09:26 AM
Glad one person got benefit for it.:banana:

arkdanimal's photo
Thu 10/02/08 09:47 AM
Is anyone aware that Jesus studied Buddism? What amaze's me is the fact that some people with the most closed of mind's, seem to have the biggest mouth's!

enderra's photo
Thu 10/02/08 10:04 AM

Is anyone aware that Jesus studied Buddism? What amaze's me is the fact that some people with the most closed of mind's, seem to have the biggest mouth's!
No, I wasn't aware. Where did he study it. Do you think he got any ideas from it?

arkdanimal's photo
Thu 10/02/08 10:16 AM
Edited by arkdanimal on Thu 10/02/08 10:16 AM
He actually spent several years traveling aroun the middle east studying different theologies before starting to seek out his disciples at about the age of 16. These are facts that are not readily recognized in what we call the "Bible" but rather in some of the recently discovered scrolls and writings from his time! In case you didn't pick up on something earlier in one of these threads, when the men of the Bile wrote the letters, poems, paslms/songs, proverbs/words of wisdom, They had no idea that hundreds of years later man would base a world wide club (christianity) on what they wrote. It was the few leaders of of religion/state who decided what the bible would consist of. One of the ways we are created in Gods image is the ability to come up with new ideas. In my life I try to create ideas that are good for getting people to care about and love each other. I'm sure I am not always succesful, but faith with out works avails nothing!

enderra's photo
Thu 10/02/08 10:21 AM

He actually spent several years traveling aroun the middle east studying different theologies before starting to seek out his disciples at about the age of 16. These are facts that are not readily recognized in what we call the "Bible" but rather in some of the recently discovered scrolls and writings from his time! In case you didn't pick up on something earlier in one of these threads, when the men of the Bile wrote the letters, poems, paslms/songs, proverbs/words of wisdom, They had no idea that hundreds of years later man would base a world wide club (christianity) on what they wrote. It was the few leaders of of religion/state who decided what the bible would consist of. One of the ways we are created in Gods image is the ability to come up with new ideas. In my life I try to create ideas that are good for getting people to care about and love each other. I'm sure I am not always succesful, but faith with out works avails nothing!
I completely agree with our creating unity. I do think it is important that more people know about the commonalities in belief we have. I am going to post something that I found on the subject.

arkdanimal's photo
Thu 10/02/08 10:28 AM


He actually spent several years traveling aroun the middle east studying different theologies before starting to seek out his disciples at about the age of 16. These are facts that are not readily recognized in what we call the "Bible" but rather in some of the recently discovered scrolls and writings from his time! In case you didn't pick up on something earlier in one of these threads, when the men of the Bile wrote the letters, poems, paslms/songs, proverbs/words of wisdom, They had no idea that hundreds of years later man would base a world wide club (christianity) on what they wrote. It was the few leaders of of religion/state who decided what the bible would consist of. One of the ways we are created in Gods image is the ability to come up with new ideas. In my life I try to create ideas that are good for getting people to care about and love each other. I'm sure I am not always succesful, but faith with out works avails nothing!
I completely agree with our creating unity. I do think it is important that more people know about the commonalities in belief we have. I am going to post something that I found on the subject.
you are such a breath of fresh air, I can surely appriciate your other thread having read it before. I will read it again later but righ now am on a time scheduale, I wish all who profess Christianity would open their minds to reading and understanding instead of just reading and judgeing!

Jess642's photo
Thu 10/02/08 01:27 PM

He actually spent several years traveling aroun the middle east studying different theologies before starting to seek out his disciples at about the age of 16. These are facts that are not readily recognized in what we call the "Bible" but rather in some of the recently discovered scrolls and writings from his time! In case you didn't pick up on something earlier in one of these threads, when the men of the Bile wrote the letters, poems, paslms/songs, proverbs/words of wisdom, They had no idea that hundreds of years later man would base a world wide club (christianity) on what they wrote. It was the few leaders of of religion/state who decided what the bible would consist of. One of the ways we are created in Gods image is the ability to come up with new ideas. In my life I try to create ideas that are good for getting people to care about and love each other. I'm sure I am not always succesful, but faith with out works avails nothing!



Are you really really old?

If not, how do you know what anyone studied a couple of thousand years ago?huh