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Topic: What is the "mark of the beast"?
Krimsa Joined Fri 04/25/08 Posts: 9960	Mon 10/06/08 07:23 AM Edited by Krimsa on Mon 10/06/08 07:25 AM
Feral I wasnt sure if you had a chance to offer an explanation as to why you feel your own children would be entitled to a fair trial and a jury of their peers if they were to ever be accused of a crime yet a stranger to you is not entitled to the same presumption of innocence and an appropriate determination of culpability for his actions (if determined to be guilty) and should instead be sentenced to death by a judge?

arkdanimal Joined Wed 08/27/08 Posts: 667	Mon 10/06/08 08:44 AM
There will obviously be people on earth that I will continue to love and pray for, at the same time detesting what they do. We as followers of christ are to be in the world but not of the world. Too many "so called good religious people" of many different sects do not have the ability to separate their own ideas about justice even from what their own dogma states. Very sad

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Mon 10/06/08 08:44 AM
That appears to be at the foundation of our differences on the subject. I just don’t subscribe to the “everything is one” belief, that’s all. To me, the “points of consciousness” are not parts of a whole. They are individual “wholes” in themselves. I see them as both. Part of the whole, and individual wholes in themselves. Like fruit on a tree. This fruit can drop off and grow into another tree, but until then, it is part of the whole tree. That sounds like an almost exact parallel of "biological" life. A single fertilized cell splits and splits and splits. But the resulting organism is "one" regardles of how many new cells are created by splitting, because all the split cells are part of the "one" organism. And all the individual cells are "guided" by the "one" entity. That hypothesis requires a belief in a single proto-entity from which all other entities evolved or grew, and I just choose to believe differently. Another thought. That scenario leads to the “aloneness” of the single-entity, as well as the “meaning of the universe” boiling down to nothing more that god playing with himself. Not true. It boils down to a family who is very in tune and connected but yet still individuals. It boils down to the freedom to be anything and anywhere you wish, and to experience being anything you wish. Total freedom. Skyhook, you seem bothered with either being separate or One but you can't see that you can be both at the same time or either. You are both the creator and the created. You are both the observed and the observer. You ultimately can have the freedom to know and experience every possible kind of life form in existence and to be anything you want as long as you want for eternity. It is total freedom to live and experience anything you can imagine. jb

arkdanimal Joined Wed 08/27/08 Posts: 667	Mon 10/06/08 08:46 AM
That appears to be at the foundation of our differences on the subject. I just don’t subscribe to the “everything is one” belief, that’s all. To me, the “points of consciousness” are not parts of a whole. They are individual “wholes” in themselves. I see them as both. Part of the whole, and individual wholes in themselves. Like fruit on a tree. This fruit can drop off and grow into another tree, but until then, it is part of the whole tree. That sounds like an almost exact parallel of "biological" life. A single fertilized cell splits and splits and splits. But the resulting organism is "one" regardles of how many new cells are created by splitting, because all the split cells are part of the "one" organism. And all the individual cells are "guided" by the "one" entity. That hypothesis requires a belief in a single proto-entity from which all other entities evolved or grew, and I just choose to believe differently. Another thought. That scenario leads to the “aloneness” of the single-entity, as well as the “meaning of the universe” boiling down to nothing more that god playing with himself. Not true. It boils down to a family who is very in tune and connected but yet still individuals. It boils down to the freedom to be anything and anywhere you wish, and to experience being anything you wish. Total freedom. Skyhook, you seem bothered with either being separate or One but you can't see that you can be both at the same time or either. You are both the creator and the created. You are both the observed and the observer. You ultimately can have the freedom to know and experience every possible kind of life form in existence and to be anything you want as long as you want for eternity. It is total freedom to live and experience anything you can imagine. jb well said, thanx jb

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Mon 10/06/08 08:48 AM
There will obviously be people on earth that I will continue to love and pray for, at the same time detesting what they do. We as followers of christ are to be in the world but not of the world. Too many "so called good religious people" of many different sects do not have the ability to separate their own ideas about justice even from what their own dogma states. Very sad Followers "follow" because they don't know enough to not follow and so they can't lead. A teacher is supposed to teach and the student is supposed to learn and move on. You aren't still following your high school teachers around are you? You don't still follow your parents around do you? Learn from your teachers who ever they are but there is no need to follow them forever. jb

arkdanimal Joined Wed 08/27/08 Posts: 667	Mon 10/06/08 08:51 AM Edited by arkdanimal on Mon 10/06/08 08:53 AM
There will obviously be people on earth that I will continue to love and pray for, at the same time detesting what they do. We as followers of christ are to be in the world but not of the world. Too many "so called good religious people" of many different sects do not have the ability to separate their own ideas about justice even from what their own dogma states. Very sad Followers "follow" because they don't know enough to not follow and so they can't lead. A teacher is supposed to teach and the student is supposed to learn and move on. You aren't still following your high school teachers around are you? You don't still follow your parents around do you? Learn from your teachers who ever they are but there is no need to follow them forever. jb Thank God almighty I chose to keep learning new things about faith, the one thing that seems to stay fresh in my mind over the last few years is to forgive myself as well as others.

Krimsa Joined Fri 04/25/08 Posts: 9960	Mon 10/06/08 08:52 AM
You didn't add a comment Dan.

arkdanimal Joined Wed 08/27/08 Posts: 667	Mon 10/06/08 08:54 AM Edited by arkdanimal on Mon 10/06/08 08:55 AM
You didn't add a comment Dan. it's the mad coww....as you can see if you back up far enough I did as soon as I realized I had hit the wrong key

Krimsa Joined Fri 04/25/08 Posts: 9960	Mon 10/06/08 08:55 AM Edited by Krimsa on Mon 10/06/08 08:57 AM
Unless you are simply quoting yourself. Let me know when you are done with jokes and ready to explain some of your positions. I dont enjoy playing in sand boxes with folks. Alright I saw but it wasnt addressing anything I was interested in.

arkdanimal Joined Wed 08/27/08 Posts: 667	Mon 10/06/08 08:59 AM Edited by arkdanimal on Mon 10/06/08 09:01 AM
Unless you are simply quoting yourself. Let me know when you are done with jokes and ready to explain some of your positions. I dont enjoy playing in sand boxes with folks. get out of the sand box then before you get sand all over you, oh, sorry I didn't recognize your humor at first. I have explained my positions repeadtidly, now I will leave you to your sand box and shake the sand from my feet as I leave once more! love ya P.S. for something you say you are not interested in you seem to spend a lot of time on these threads rather than the wiccon ones!

Krimsa Joined Fri 04/25/08 Posts: 9960	Mon 10/06/08 09:03 AM Edited by Krimsa on Mon 10/06/08 09:03 AM
Unless you are simply quoting yourself. Let me know when you are done with jokes and ready to explain some of your positions. I dont enjoy playing in sand boxes with folks. get out of the sand box then before you get sand all over you, oh, sorry I didn't recognize your humor at first. I have explained my positions repeadtidly, now I will leave you to your sand box and shake the sand from my feet as I leave once more! love ya Please explain your position on Muslim Extremists and why you feel A. That they are misinterpreting the bible (even though they read the Koran) B. Why "Muslim Extremists" are more dangerous than Christian fundamentalists? C. Whether or not you feel that the attacks perpetrated on domestic soil on 9-11 were in any way connected with US foreign policy in the Middle East. None of these questions have been addressed by you. I will continue to pose them when you make your grand sweeping generalizations about "love" and "hate" and "tolerance."

arkdanimal Joined Wed 08/27/08 Posts: 667	Mon 10/06/08 09:08 AM
Unless you are simply quoting yourself. Let me know when you are done with jokes and ready to explain some of your positions. I dont enjoy playing in sand boxes with folks. get out of the sand box then before you get sand all over you, oh, sorry I didn't recognize your humor at first. I have explained my positions repeadtidly, now I will leave you to your sand box and shake the sand from my feet as I leave once more! love ya Please explain your position on Muslim Extremists and why you feel A. That they are misinterpreting the bible (even though they read the Koran) B. Why "Muslim Extremists" are more dangerous than Christian fundamentalists? C. Whether or not you feel that the attacks perpetrated on domestic soil on 9-11 were in any way connected with US foreign policy in the Middle East. None of these questions have been addressed by you. I will continue to pose them when you make your grand sweeping generalizations about "love" and "hate" and "tolerance." I can no longer fill your mind with my thoughts in hopes of you accepting my explanations, nor spend more of my time doing so for now. so as I will know them by there fruits, all I will say to you once more, develope your own faith instead of trying to rip others apart. I love ya, Daniel

Krimsa Joined Fri 04/25/08 Posts: 9960	Mon 10/06/08 09:09 AM
Unless you are simply quoting yourself. Let me know when you are done with jokes and ready to explain some of your positions. I dont enjoy playing in sand boxes with folks. get out of the sand box then before you get sand all over you, oh, sorry I didn't recognize your humor at first. I have explained my positions repeadtidly, now I will leave you to your sand box and shake the sand from my feet as I leave once more! love ya Please explain your position on Muslim Extremists and why you feel A. That they are misinterpreting the bible (even though they read the Koran) B. Why "Muslim Extremists" are more dangerous than Christian fundamentalists? C. Whether or not you feel that the attacks perpetrated on domestic soil on 9-11 were in any way connected with US foreign policy in the Middle East. None of these questions have been addressed by you. I will continue to pose them when you make your grand sweeping generalizations about "love" and "hate" and "tolerance." I can no longer fill your mind with my thoughts in hopes of you accepting my explanations, nor spend more of my time doing so for now. so as I will know them by there fruits, all I will say to you once more, develope your own faith instead of trying to rip others apart. I love ya, Daniel Your faith is totally irrelevant to these questions. I am asking you to explain your basis for bigotry and hate.

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Mon 10/06/08 09:29 AM
There will obviously be people on earth that I will continue to love and pray for, at the same time detesting what they do. We as followers of christ are to be in the world but not of the world. Too many "so called good religious people" of many different sects do not have the ability to separate their own ideas about justice even from what their own dogma states. Very sad Followers "follow" because they don't know enough to not follow and so they can't lead. A teacher is supposed to teach and the student is supposed to learn and move on. You aren't still following your high school teachers around are you? You don't still follow your parents around do you? Learn from your teachers who ever they are but there is no need to follow them forever. jb Thank God almighty I chose to keep learning new things about faith, the one thing that seems to stay fresh in my mind over the last few years is to forgive myself as well as others. As long as you are still learning new things and not limiting yourself to one mind set I think that is good. As for the subject of "faith" I learned it by my own experiences of what is possible. I did not learn it from a teacher. jb

arkdanimal Joined Wed 08/27/08 Posts: 667	Mon 10/06/08 09:34 AM
There will obviously be people on earth that I will continue to love and pray for, at the same time detesting what they do. We as followers of christ are to be in the world but not of the world. Too many "so called good religious people" of many different sects do not have the ability to separate their own ideas about justice even from what their own dogma states. Very sad Followers "follow" because they don't know enough to not follow and so they can't lead. A teacher is supposed to teach and the student is supposed to learn and move on. You aren't still following your high school teachers around are you? You don't still follow your parents around do you? Learn from your teachers who ever they are but there is no need to follow them forever. jb Thank God almighty I chose to keep learning new things about faith, the one thing that seems to stay fresh in my mind over the last few years is to forgive myself as well as others. As long as you are still learning new things and not limiting yourself to one mind set I think that is good. As for the subject of "faith" I learned it by my own experiences of what is possible. I did not learn it from a teacher. jb ditto

arkdanimal Joined Wed 08/27/08 Posts: 667	Mon 10/06/08 09:38 AM Edited by arkdanimal on Mon 10/06/08 09:38 AM
Unless you are simply quoting yourself. Let me know when you are done with jokes and ready to explain some of your positions. I dont enjoy playing in sand boxes with folks. get out of the sand box then before you get sand all over you, oh, sorry I didn't recognize your humor at first. I have explained my positions repeadtidly, now I will leave you to your sand box and shake the sand from my feet as I leave once more! love ya Please explain your position on Muslim Extremists and why you feel A. That they are misinterpreting the bible (even though they read the Koran) B. Why "Muslim Extremists" are more dangerous than Christian fundamentalists? C. Whether or not you feel that the attacks perpetrated on domestic soil on 9-11 were in any way connected with US foreign policy in the Middle East. None of these questions have been addressed by you. I will continue to pose them when you make your grand sweeping generalizations about "love" and "hate" and "tolerance." I can no longer fill your mind with my thoughts in hopes of you accepting my explanations, nor spend more of my time doing so for now. so as I will know them by there fruits, all I will say to you once more, develope your own faith instead of trying to rip others apart. I love ya, Daniel Your faith is totally irrelevant to these questions. I am asking you to explain your basis for bigotry and hate. are you saying it some how doesn't exist! (bigotry and hate) suely no one is that blind to think that all the acts of violence in the world is somehow acceptable. you have a nice day!

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Mon 10/06/08 09:38 AM
There will obviously be people on earth that I will continue to love and pray for, at the same time detesting what they do. We as followers of christ are to be in the world but not of the world. Too many "so called good religious people" of many different sects do not have the ability to separate their own ideas about justice even from what their own dogma states. Very sad Followers "follow" because they don't know enough to not follow and so they can't lead. A teacher is supposed to teach and the student is supposed to learn and move on. You aren't still following your high school teachers around are you? You don't still follow your parents around do you? Learn from your teachers who ever they are but there is no need to follow them forever. jb Thank God almighty I chose to keep learning new things about faith, the one thing that seems to stay fresh in my mind over the last few years is to forgive myself as well as others. As long as you are still learning new things and not limiting yourself to one mind set I think that is good. As for the subject of "faith" I learned it by my own experiences of what is possible. I did not learn it from a teacher. jb ditto I tried to send you a personal message but you are limiting your communications with women under the age of 55. I guess you don't want to talk to old broads like me. JB

arkdanimal Joined Wed 08/27/08 Posts: 667	Mon 10/06/08 09:40 AM
There will obviously be people on earth that I will continue to love and pray for, at the same time detesting what they do. We as followers of christ are to be in the world but not of the world. Too many "so called good religious people" of many different sects do not have the ability to separate their own ideas about justice even from what their own dogma states. Very sad Followers "follow" because they don't know enough to not follow and so they can't lead. A teacher is supposed to teach and the student is supposed to learn and move on. You aren't still following your high school teachers around are you? You don't still follow your parents around do you? Learn from your teachers who ever they are but there is no need to follow them forever. jb Thank God almighty I chose to keep learning new things about faith, the one thing that seems to stay fresh in my mind over the last few years is to forgive myself as well as others. As long as you are still learning new things and not limiting yourself to one mind set I think that is good. As for the subject of "faith" I learned it by my own experiences of what is possible. I did not learn it from a teacher. jb ditto I tried to send you a personal message but you are limiting your communications with women under the age of 55. I guess you don't want to talk to old broads like me. JB i'll change that directly

Krimsa Joined Fri 04/25/08 Posts: 9960	Mon 10/06/08 09:48 AM
Unless you are simply quoting yourself. Let me know when you are done with jokes and ready to explain some of your positions. I dont enjoy playing in sand boxes with folks. get out of the sand box then before you get sand all over you, oh, sorry I didn't recognize your humor at first. I have explained my positions repeadtidly, now I will leave you to your sand box and shake the sand from my feet as I leave once more! love ya Please explain your position on Muslim Extremists and why you feel A. That they are misinterpreting the bible (even though they read the Koran) B. Why "Muslim Extremists" are more dangerous than Christian fundamentalists? C. Whether or not you feel that the attacks perpetrated on domestic soil on 9-11 were in any way connected with US foreign policy in the Middle East. None of these questions have been addressed by you. I will continue to pose them when you make your grand sweeping generalizations about "love" and "hate" and "tolerance." I can no longer fill your mind with my thoughts in hopes of you accepting my explanations, nor spend more of my time doing so for now. so as I will know them by there fruits, all I will say to you once more, develope your own faith instead of trying to rip others apart. I love ya, Daniel Your faith is totally irrelevant to these questions. I am asking you to explain your basis for bigotry and hate. are you saying it some how doesn't exist! (bigotry and hate) suely no one is that blind to think that all the acts of violence in the world is somehow acceptable. you have a nice day! No. On the contrary. I am asking you to explain your OWN comments and why you feel the way you do.

SkyHook5652 Joined Sat 08/23/08 Posts: 4063	Mon 10/06/08 12:35 PM Edited by SkyHook5652 on Mon 10/06/08 12:37 PM
It boils down to a family who is very in tune and connected but yet still individuals. It boils down to the freedom to be anything and anywhere you wish, and to experience being anything you wish. Total freedom. Ok, I have no disagreement with the "total freedom" concept. In fact, that is the exact same wording I've used for my own personal spiritutal goals/purposes. Skyhook, you seem bothered with either being separate or One... No problem with the "being separate" part. It's the "being one" part that I don't understand. Maybe it's just the semantics, but it doesn't make sense to me, that's all. ...but you can't see that you can be both at the same time or either. You are both the creator and the created. You are both the observed and the observer. I can see how you could be, but I don't see any reason to. I would much rather interact with others that are not myself, than have nothing but different versions of myself to interact with. You ultimately can have the freedom to know and experience every possible kind of life form in existence and to be anything you want as long as you want for eternity. It is total freedom to live and experience anything you can imagine. No disagreement there at all. That's pretty much exactly how I would say it. But to me there's a difference between "experiencing it" and "being it". Yes, one can "take on the mantle" of a life form. But that's like “taking on the mantle” of a character in a play. The actor is not the character. He may, figuratively speaking, "become" the character while he's playing it. But he is not that character, he is the actor playing that character. And yes, he can play many different characters over the course of his career. But he is not any of those characters. They are just "persona" that he adopts for a while.