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If mr jesus the first...son of gawd, address : third stall in the innkeeper's stable was to return now...poor bugger would end up institutionalised on anti hallucinogenic meds, with very soft walls, and very long sleeved jackets! We don't want him back! Humanity would destroy him faster than a squad of romans with hungry lions. Poor bugger would be homeless in Central Middle East, or being detained in Guatanimo as a bloody terrorist! Spreading peaceful propaganda wont help the war in Iraq, will it now??? 
I truly believe that if Jesus came back today the Christians would be the first ones in line to nail him to a pole again. The would call him a liar. They'd never believe that he was Jesus. He would be preaching brother love. That's something they simply can't comprehend. They'd crucify him all over again for sure. They only way they'd believe he is God is if he proved it to them. 
They would never follow him on faith alone. If he didn't jump through their hoops and perform miracles for them they'd denounce him in a split second. Nope, he better not come back to this world as long as there are any Christians still living here. He better wait for another 2000 years after Christianity has been long forgotten. Then he might find some have a chance of finding some decent people around. |
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How do you explain the Prophet Daniel Prophesying or predicting however you want to put it when at the time what he said was not fathonable to anyone how dramtic this would be. I am not sure how long ago it was but 2500 years is a good bet, He said the messiah would not return to take back Jerusalem untill thier had been a great increase of Knowledge. yahshua spoke about condition and said he would return in this generation. That's always the nice thing about prophecy, if you keep it vague enough, it will always come true. I predict that in several generations there will be a time of war and strife, that new technologies will draw us closer while tearing the fabric of our society in half. There have been several points in human history that would point to times like these. Daniels prophecy would also apply to @ 700 AD when Rome was at it's peak, or just before it's collapse. It would also work well in the times of the Enlightenment, when we discovered new planets, as well as a Western Contenient. One could argue for the late 1800's as well, with the increase in medical knowledge. That was a weak prophecy at best. The only thing one should know about Daniels prophecy that sets it apart, is that he predicts the return of someone who had yet to be born. |
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SharpShooter10
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Fri 09/19/08 07:13 PM
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If mr jesus the first...son of gawd, address : third stall in the innkeeper's stable was to return now...poor bugger would end up institutionalised on anti hallucinogenic meds, with very soft walls, and very long sleeved jackets! We don't want him back! Humanity would destroy him faster than a squad of romans with hungry lions. Poor bugger would be homeless in Central Middle East, or being detained in Guatanimo as a bloody terrorist! Spreading peaceful propaganda wont help the war in Iraq, will it now???
I truly believe that if Jesus came back today the Christians would be the first ones in line to nail him to a pole again. The would call him a liar. They'd never believe that he was Jesus. He would be preaching brother love. That's something they simply can't comprehend. They'd crucify him all over again for sure. They only way they'd believe he is God is if he proved it to them.
They would never follow him on faith alone. If he didn't jump through their hoops and perform miracles for them they'd denounce him in a split second. Nope, he better not come back to this world as long as there are any Christians still living here. He better wait for another 2000 years after Christianity has been long forgotten. Then he might find some have a chance of finding some decent people around. and I myself, am fortunate enough to know decent people who do not believe as well, I try to go by their hearts, minds and actions as opposed to what they believe in. |
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MorningSong
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Jesus promised his deciples that he would return before their generation was over.
After Jesus ascended into heaven, He SENT THE HOLY SPIRIT....so He did return as He said....but thru the THIRD PERSON of the TRINITY.....The Holy Spirit...Whom He LEFT With The Believers Here on Earth. BUT that event( the coming back to his diciples and all Believers, as the Third Person of the Trinity), WAS NOT The SECOND COMING of CHRIST mentioned in the bible. The Second Coming of Christ, is an entirely different Event.....STILL TO COME... WHICH GOD SAID NO MAN KNOWS WHEN THAT TIME WILL BE !!!! So therefore, these writings of Russell and some others out there( about Jesus having already returned in the second coming already), go COMPLETELY AGAINST what GOD'S WORD SAID. I will close with this now: IF Any of You Are TRULY Hungry for God's Word.... and Truly Want to Know God ... then God will Surely make Himself Known to You... As You Seek Him with Your Whole Heart Now . Be Blessed Now Everyone. Take Care Now. Love You All. So Does God. 
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IF Any of You Are TRULY Hungry for God's Word....
and Truly Want to Know God ...then God will Surely make Himself Known to You...As You Seek Him with Your Whole Heart Now . You shouldn't need to seek God MorningSong. If anyone is sincere in heart God should be an automatic part of their life. Anything less than that would be a deceitful game-playing God. I don't believe that God is a deceitful game-player MorningSong, and there is nothing you can do to convince me otherwise.
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Milesoftheusa
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Ahh... hopefully i will get on with this today.
The transformation was 8 days after he told them all. Luke 9:27 But I tell you truly, there are some standing here who shall not taste death till they see the kingdom of Yahweh." NKJV Some say they are still alive. well if this was true and they are part of the chosen who we are told will at Yahshua's return or shortly before br transformed as he just was and not see death period. Taste death is to kknow it. To die. If this was the Holy spirit then some of them did not get the Holy spirit on the day of Pentecost. No they saw a Vision of Yahshua Coming to earth or alreeady on earth. Zech. puts it pretty well. Zech 14:9-12 9 And Yahweh hath become king over all the land, In that day there is one Yahweh, and His name one. 10 Changed is all the land as a plain, From Gebo to Rimmon, south of Jerusalem, And she hath been high, and hath dwelt in her place, Even from the gate of Benjamin To the place of the first gate, unto the front gate, And from the tower of Hananeel, Unto the wine-vats of the king. 11 And they have dwelt in her, And destruction is no more, And Jerusalem hath dwelt confidently. 12 And this is the plague with which Yahweh Doth plague all the peoples who have warred against Jerusalem, He hath consumed away its flesh, And it is standing on its feet, And its eyes are consumed in their holes, And its tongue is consumed in their mouth. YLT No one has seen Yahweh and lived. These are ones coming against him. What about Seeing Yahshua with Moses and Eliyah? Mal 4:3 - Matt 1:1 3 And ye have trodden down the wicked, For they are ashes under the soles of your feet, In the day that I am appointing, Said Yahweh of Hosts. 4 Remember ye the law of Moses My servant, That I did command him in Horeb, For all Israel — statutes and judgments. 5 Lo, I am sending to you Elijah the prophet, Before the coming of the day of Yahweh, The great and the fearful. 6 And he hath turned back the heart of fathers to sons, And the heart of sons to their fathers, Before I come and have utterly smitten the land! YLT The law of Moses you are to remember before Yahshua's Return.. A warning about what has been done away? Then we see the Prophet EliYah. His name means ( My Elohim is Yahweh.) Declaring who he follows the Beast or Yahweh. Take light what i warn you of. You will not see if your heart is not towards him. If all matters of Truth matter to you then you will see. This is our cry. Before Yahwshua's return. Luke 4:18-19 18 "The Spirit of Yahweh is upon Me, Because He has anointed Me To preach the gospel to the poor; He has sent Me to heal the brokenhearted, To proclaim liberty to the captives And recovery of sight to the blind, To set at liberty those who are oppressed; 19 To proclaim the acceptable year of Yahweh.." NKJV May the Hearts and Minds of His Children Be Opened...Blessings of Shalom...Miles |
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IF Any of You Are TRULY Hungry for God's Word....
and Truly Want to Know God ...then God will Surely make Himself Known to You...As You Seek Him with Your Whole Heart Now . You shouldn't need to seek God MorningSong. If anyone is sincere in heart God should be an automatic part of their life. Anything less than that would be a deceitful game-playing God. I don't believe that God is a deceitful game-player MorningSong, and there is nothing you can do to convince me otherwise.
Is God playing hide and seek again? I wondered who that guy behind my sofa was. 
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How do you explain the Prophet Daniel Prophesying or predicting however you want to put it when at the time what he said was not fathonable to anyone how dramtic this would be. I am not sure how long ago it was but 2500 years is a good bet, He said the messiah would not return to take back Jerusalem untill thier had been a great increase of Knowledge. yahshua spoke about condition and said he would return in this generation. The knowledge explosion started around the 1900 but actually has not really leaped untill the last 50 years. It is still moving so fast calling it an increase as he did. Fits perfectly with what Yahshua spoke of. The fortress babylon that put fear in mens hearts happened would you not say with the dropping of the Atomic Bomb? At this same time speaking that his people would go back to thier homeland. And all this is in our heads? Nothing to it. You put stock in Einienstien and Galileo and others who I will give them credit for thier insite, But they do not begin to be a pinch of dust compared to what would happen now. people would start doing anything they want. Children would be disobediet to thier parents even killing them. people claiming they are a diety all over the world. An explosion will happen that will darken the earth and be heard all around the globe. Yellowstone we are told that exact not close but that exactly that is what could happen if and when it goes off. they say it has a 640,000 year cycle thier was 1 640,000 years ago and 1.3 million years ago by thier own carbon dating you adhere to Abra. just a guess.. No way. Where this happens? It is called Babylon and what has babylon done. It has made the world rich with delicacies. What has happened to these countries around the world. Our economy the only reason we have not fallen is because we are being financed because if we go down so does everyone else. I am sure you know that with Japan and saudi's. Japan last I new had 8 out of 10 of the richests banks in the world. what else does this prohecy of John the Revelator say? That when this explosion happenes which he calls it a great fire that can be seen across the ocean. Europe seeing us Burn. Now come on how can that be possible? yet our scientists say that is exactly what will happen. He then says they wail over her because of her goods. The world goes in to that depression I just spoke of because of our economy is gone. Just how much do we buy from the rest of the world? Imports. be a heck of a loss of revenue. And thier is more much more that all you got to do is listen to the economists and the scientists. They are not lying are they? No the quote you got is from another Jokester that is trying to pad his pocket book by claiming he knows. He has wisdom, insight into something he probally has never read. You know like the apprentice who becomes a journeyman and starts to think he knows what he is doing. We say he knows just enough to be dangerous don't we. The prophecies are true. You may not see them but you know what it says that will happen also. Brother will hate brother we are being programmed right now to spy on your nieghbor and if u think something is not right call the Police. Our children are being taught lies that if they tell something about thier families to thier teachers and councelers they will get them help. They PORPUSELY leave out that help very well may be jail and they may be in a foster home. Oh now little Jonny is really happy he does not have parents anymore. All said to happen. all these things with in 70 to 80 years to not 40 like you may have heard the bible no whare says a generation is 40 years but Moses in Psalms 90 tells us. And it is right on the mark it wasn't during Yahshua's time. So many people not believeing. So many Waxing thier hearts cold. So many denying the faith for fables. sex going wild. No the evidence is thier . Your source can not deny all that. We better wake up..Blessings of Shalom...Miles if you want to clear your beliefs on this up my freind, then read - The days of vengeance" by David Chilton, you can download this book for free from wikipedia article on David chilton [now deceased] - at the bottom of article is site you can down load the book from, happy reading/learning just a brief statement out of chiltons book miles as to your post on 666 "For instance, let’s take a much-abused symbol from Revela- tion and apply this principle. In Rev. 7, 9, 14 and 22, St. John sees God’s people sealed on their foreheads with His name; and in Rev. 13 he writes of the worshipers of the Beast, who are des- ignated on their right hands and foreheads with his mark. Many fanciful interpretations have been made regarding these marks — ranging from tattoos and amusement-park validations to credit cards and Social Security numbers – and all without the THE PRIMACY OF SYMBOLISM slightest notice of the clear Biblical allusions. But what would the first readers of these passages have thought? The symbols . would have made them think immediately of several Biblical references: the “mark” of sweat on Adam’s forehead, signifying God’s Curse on his disobedience (Gen. 3 :19); the forehead of the High Priest, marked with gold letters proclaiming that he was now HOLY TO THE LORD (Ex. 28:36); Deuteronomy 6:6-8 and Ezekiel 9:4-6, in which the servants of God are “marked” on the hand and forehead with the law of God, and thus receive blessing and protection in His name. The followers of the Beast, on the other hand, receive his mark of ownership: submission to ungodly, statist, antichristian law. The mark in Revelation is not meant to be taken literally. It is an allusion to an Old Testament symbol that spoke of a man’s total obedience to God, and it stands as a warning that our god – whether it be the true God or the self- deified State – demands complete obedience to his lordship." Shalom Tribo. I am not sure where I spoke of 666 at. I will elaborate on the misconsumptions Chiltons book by just looking at it in a completely different way. Different than most have even thought of or would even want to believe. It may be hard for some to read without anger. Yet i hope you will see where I am coming from. Rev 13:11-14:1 11 And I saw another beast coming up out of the land, and it had two horns, like a lamb, and it was speaking as a dragon, 12 and all the authority of the first beast doth it do before it, and it maketh the land and those dwelling in it that they shall bow before the first beast, whose deadly stroke was healed, 13 and it doth great signs, that fire also it may make to come down from the heaven to the earth before men, 14 and it leadeth astray those dwelling on the land, because of the signs that were given it to do before the beast, saying to those dwelling upon the land to make an image to the beast that hath the stroke of the sword and did live, 15 and there was given to it to give a spirit to the image of the beast, that also the image of the beast may speak, and [that] it may cause as many as shall not bow before the image of the beast, that they may be killed. 16 And it maketh all, the small, and the great, and the rich, and the poor, and the freemen, and the servants, that it may give to them a mark upon their right hand or upon their foreheads, 17 and that no one may be able to buy, or to sell, except he who is having the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. 18 Here is the wisdom! He who is having the understanding, let him count the number of the beast, for the number of a man it is, and its number [is] 666. YLT Now all the time we want to just quote thelast few verses. But as you can see thierr is much more to this thought. Mainly what this paragraph starts with. Rev 13:11 11 And I saw another beast coming up out of the land, and it had two horns, like a lamb, and it was speaking as a dragon, YLT Now why this? this beast is like a lamb but yet is a dragon. Rev. 12 speaks of this dragon who was thrown out of heaven.Satan Now satan trys to mock Yahweh. Now we know that Yahweh will have 2 end time witness that Satan or his 2 witness can not kill. Rev 11:3-7 and I will give to My two witnesses, and they shall prophesy days, a thousand, two hundred, sixty, arrayed with sackcloth; 4 these are the two olive [trees], and the two lamp-stands that before the Elohim of the earth do stand; 5 and if any one may will to injure them, fire doth proceed out of their mouth, and doth devour their enemies, and if any one may will to injure them, thus it behoveth him to be killed. 6 These have authority to shut the heaven, that it may not rain rain in the days of their prophecy, and authority they have over the waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the land with every plague, as often as they may will. 7'And when they may finish their testimony, the beast that is coming up out of the abyss shall make war with them, and overcome them, and kill them, YLT For 3 1/2 years they can not be killed. Who is trying to kill them? The beast that is coming up out of the abyss shall make war with them, and overcome them, and kill them, Now what did we read before where the thought process of 666 came from. 11 And I saw another beast coming up out of the land, and it had two horns, like a lamb, and it was speaking as a dragon, NT:1093 NT:1093 <START GREEK>gh= <END GREEK> ge (ghay); contracted from a primary word; soil; by extension a region, or the solid part or the whole of the terrene globe (including the occupants in each application): (Biblesoft's New Exhaustive Strong's Numbers and Concordance with Expanded Greek-Hebrew Dictionary. Copyright © 1994, 2003 Biblesoft, Inc. and International Bible Translators, Inc.) He comes up out of the land to kill the 2 witness.Or when they have been killed. Thier is no power from satan on the elect untill the 2 witnesses are killed this is when you see this passage come to light. Now satan we know will claim he is what? The Elohim of the whole earth. Did Yahweh not just say that is who he is? so to make the people believe who he is he needs something. He needs his own two witnesses. Rev 16:13-14 13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs coming out of the mouth of the dragon, out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet . 14 For they are spirits of demons, performing signs, which go out to the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty. NKJV Here we have Satan ( the dragon) the beast and false prophet.. copying Yahweh sign to his people of these 2 end time witnesses. Because when they show up in chapter 13 the 2 witness have been killed. The resserected after 3 1/2 days and all the world has a party over them being killed. What a nice time to now have your own miracle workers show up. We killed the demons who were against us they might cry. With miracles following. Satan as Pharoah was potrayed as did this same thing.To Moses when he said let my people go., Ex 7:11-12 11 But Pharaoh also called the wise men and the sorcerers; so the magicians of Egypt, they also did in like manner with their enchantments. 12 For every man threw down his rod, and they became serpents. But Aaron's rod swallowed up their rods NKJV Copy cats. But Aarons rod (serpent,snake) swallowed up the others. Now i think i will end this post and continue it  in a little while but give you something to think about.
This began with 666. For 1 this is the number of a man. They all agree 6 6 6. You can see who this refers to above. But is 666 mentioned elsewhere?Yes it is. Ezra 2:13-14 the people of Adonikam, six hundred and sixty-six; NKJV Here we find a tribe who have 666 members.Why are all this nonscence about tribes and thier numbers and endless geneologies it says. Could it be with in them thier is a stary to be told. Who is Adonikam? part of that name should sound familiar to alot of people. All Hebrew names have a meaning like Yahshua means Yahweh is Salvation. What does Adonikam mean that has 666 tied to his name. When I 1st found this i was amazed. OT:140 OT:140 <q*yn!d)a& 'Adoniyqam (ad-o-nee-kawm'); from OT:113 and OT:6965; lord of rising (i.e. high); Adonikam, the name of one or two Israelites: (Biblesoft's New Exhaustive Strong's Numbers and Concordance with Expanded Greek-Hebrew Dictionary. Copyright © 1994, 2003 Biblesoft, Inc. and International Bible Translators, Inc.) What does Satan Do? You can dig futher and break it down and the literal meaning of Adonikam is.. My Lord is Master. Ever heard that meaning being said all over the world. Remember Satan/Helel is called the g-d or lord of this world.. Is he? write more later mu neck is getting stiff. to darn old Tribo..Shalom till later.. Miles ...........to be continued Shalom My Friend Tribo. Now I am sure you have a hint of what Satan does. 11 And I saw another beast coming up out of the land, and it had two horns, like a lamb, and it was speaking as a dragon, and… from OT:113 and OT:6965; lord of rising (i.e. high); Adonikam, .. We are also told.. 16 And it maketh all, the small, and the great, and the rich, and the poor, and the freemen, and the servants, that it may give to them a mark upon their right hand or upon their foreheads, 17 and that no one may be able to buy, or to sell, except he who is having the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. AdoniKam where we see him In Ezra speaks of the 666 clan. We can call it. In Rev. we can see this 666 clan now adhering to the meaning of his name. To those who have understanding. My Lord is Rising and also My lord is Master. The 666 system has been around along time we find it in John but the scholars say this quote is spurious. This is to say it does not go along with what is being said. Or added. Some Bibles have done away with it some with notes in the margins explain this being spurious. But it is the Theme Play of My Lord is Rising or is Master. 1 John 5:6-8 7 For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one. 8 And there are three that bear witness on earth: the Spirit, the water, and the blood; and these three agree as one. NKJV Verse 7 should not be their it had to of been added along time ago. “The textual evidence is all against 1John 5:7,” explains Neil Lightfoot. “Of all the Greek manuscripts, there are only two which contain it. These two manuscripts are of very late dates, one from the fourteenth or fifteenth century and the other from the sixteenth century. Both clearly show this verse to be translated from the Latin” (How We Got the Bible, 1963, pp. 56-57). The Expositor’s Bible Commentary also dismisses the KJV and NKJV versions of 1John 5:7 as “obviously a late gloss with no merit” (Glenn Barker, Vol. 12, 1981, p. 353). Peake’s Commentary on the Bible is very incisive in its comments as well: “The famous inter- polation after ‘three witnesses’ is not printed in RSV and rightly (so) . . . No respectable Greek (manuscript) contains it. Appearing first in a late 4th century Latin text, it entered the Vulgate and finally NT of Erasmus” (p. 1038). Again, Trinity did not come into common use as a religious term until after the Council of Nicea in A.D. 325, several centuries after the last books of the New Testament were complete. It is not a biblical concept. http://www.ucgstp.org/lit/booklets/whoisGod/trinity.html The Holy Trinity. This is taken as truth and most would call you a heretic to claim there is no trinity. Notice in verse 7 they are 1. In verse 8 these agree as 1. No Trinity at all. Why is this important though? Rev 19:20 Then the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who worked signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image? NKJV Now in Chapter 20 it tells of Satan being bound for a 1000 years. Notice what the beast and the false prophet do. . beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who worked signs in his presence. Can we find anywhere this has been done before to where fooling/deceiving the people would be easy to do? What about Moses and Aaron. How did they operate? Ex 4:15-17 5 Now you shall speak to him and put the words in his mouth. And I will be with your mouth and with his mouth, and I will teach you what you shall do. 16 So he shall be your spokesman to the people. And he himself shall be as a mouth for you, and you shall be to him as Elohim. 17 And you shall take this rod in your hand, with which you shall do the signs." NKJV Aaron did the speaking and Moses did the Miracles as Yahweh told him. Just like the Beast and false prophet will. Who will they claim to be? the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who worked signs in his presence. To figure out who they will claim to be is their any particular miracle they will do? Now this iis long but has the Most Humour I have Found in The Scriptues as You read. Ahh This is GOOD. 1 Kings 18:24-39 So all the people answered and said, "It is well spoken." 25 Now Elijah said to the prophets of Baal, "Choose one bull for yourselves and prepare it first, for you are many; and call on the name of your diety, but put no fire under it." 26 So they took the bull which was given them, and they prepared it, and called on the name of Baal from morning even till noon, saying, "O Baal, hear us!" But there was no voice; no one answered. Then they leaped about the altar which they had made. 27 And so it was, at noon, that Elijah mocked them and said, "Cry aloud, for he is a mighty one; either he is meditating, or he is busy, or he is on a journey, or perhaps he is sleeping and must be awakened." 28 So they cried aloud, and cut themselves, as was their custom, with knives and lances, until the blood gushed out on them. 29 And when midday was past, they prophesied until the time of the offering of the evening sacrifice. But there was no voice; no one answered, no one paid attention. 30 Then Elijah said to all the people, "Come near to me." So all the people came near to him. And he repaired the altar of Yahweh that was broken down. 31 And Elijah took twelve stones, according to the number of the tribes of the sons of Jacob, to whom the word of Yahweh had come, saying,"Israel shall be your name." 32 Then with the stones he built an altar in the name of Yahweh; and he made a trench around the altar large enough to hold two seahs of seed. 33 And he put the wood in order, cut the bull in pieces, and laid it on the wood, and said, "Fill four waterpots with water, and pour it on the burnt sacrifice and on the wood." 34 Then he said, "Do it a second time," and they did it a second time; and he said, "Do it a third time," and they did it a third time. 35 So the water ran all around the altar; and he also filled the trench with water. 36 And it came to pass, at the time of the offering of the evening sacrifice, that Elijah the prophet came near and said, "Yahweh Elohim of Abraham, Isaac, and Israel, let it be known this day that You are Elohim in Israel and I am Your servant, and that I have done all these things at Your word. 37 Hear me, O Yahweh, hear me, that this people may know that You are Yahweh Elohim, and that You have turned their hearts back to You again." 38 Then the fire of Yahweh fell and consumed the burnt sacrifice, and the wood and the stones and the dust, and it licked up the water that was in the trench. 39 Now when all the people saw it, they fell on their faces; and they said,"Yahweh, He is Elohim! Yahweh, He is Elohim!" NKJV When it comes to smiling this is my favorite part of the Bible. What I want you to notice is though is What the Prophet Elijah ( Means My Elohim is Yahweh) Just as he proclaimed to everyone. What came down from heaven above? Then the fire of Yahweh fell and consumed the burnt sacrifice, and the wood and the stones and the dust, and it licked up the water that was in the trench. Now remember all along I have been saying satan mocks or tries to do what Yahweh has done to make himself look like he is Yahweh. So what happens after the 2 witnesses are killed and the witnesses of Satan appear? Rev 13:13-14 3 He performs great signs, so that he even makes fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men. 14 And he deceives those who dwell on the earth by those signs which he was granted to do in the sight of the beast, telling those who dwell on the earth to make an image to the beast who was wounded by the sword and lived. NKJV Rev 13:13-14 3 He performs great signs, so that he even makes FIRE come down from HEAVEN on the earth in the SIGHT of men. 14 And he deceives those who dwell on the earth by those signs which he was granted to do in the sight of the beast, telling those who dwell on the earth to make an image to the beast who was wounded by the sword and lived. NKJV Hello this is the Prophesied EliYah that would come back. He brings fire down from heaven just as he did in front of the 450 prophets of Baal. He looks pretty good as the Great Deciever to me. Those 2 prophets of Satan I killed as I did the 450 were Satans Prophets. How many do you believe will believe this lie? Mark 13:21-23 21 "Then if anyone says to you, 'Look, here is the Messiah!' or, 'Look, He is there!' do not believe it. 22 For false messiah’s and false prophets will rise and show signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect . 23 But take heed; see, I have told you all things beforehand. NKJV Then we see. Rev 12:9 9 So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world ; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. NKJV I am sure you are seeing what is happening Tribo. Time to take a break. Remember Eliyah had the Prophets of baal killed. If you want I will discuss it later but what is the meaning of Baal? Shalom Miles To be continued |
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Ahh... hopefully i will get on with this today. The transformation was 8 days after he told them all. Luke 9:27 But I tell you truly, there are some standing here who shall not taste death till they see the kingdom of Yahweh." NKJV Some say they are still alive. well if this was true and they are part of the chosen who we are told will at Yahshua's return or shortly before br transformed as he just was and not see death period. Taste death is to kknow it. To die. If this was the Holy spirit then some of them did not get the Holy spirit on the day of Pentecost. No they saw a Vision of Yahshua Coming to earth or alreeady on earth. Zech. puts it pretty well. Zech 14:9-12 9 And Yahweh hath become king over all the land, In that day there is one Yahweh, and His name one. 10 Changed is all the land as a plain, From Gebo to Rimmon, south of Jerusalem, And she hath been high, and hath dwelt in her place, Even from the gate of Benjamin To the place of the first gate, unto the front gate, And from the tower of Hananeel, Unto the wine-vats of the king. 11 And they have dwelt in her, And destruction is no more, And Jerusalem hath dwelt confidently. 12 And this is the plague with which Yahweh Doth plague all the peoples who have warred against Jerusalem, He hath consumed away its flesh, And it is standing on its feet, And its eyes are consumed in their holes, And its tongue is consumed in their mouth. YLT No one has seen Yahweh and lived. These are ones coming against him. What about Seeing Yahshua with Moses and Eliyah? Mal 4:3 - Matt 1:1 3 And ye have trodden down the wicked, For they are ashes under the soles of your feet, In the day that I am appointing, Said Yahweh of Hosts. 4 Remember ye the law of Moses My servant, That I did command him in Horeb, For all Israel — statutes and judgments. 5 Lo, I am sending to you Elijah the prophet, Before the coming of the day of Yahweh, The great and the fearful. 6 And he hath turned back the heart of fathers to sons, And the heart of sons to their fathers, Before I come and have utterly smitten the land! YLT The law of Moses you are to remember before Yahshua's Return.. A warning about what has been done away? Then we see the Prophet EliYah. His name means ( My Elohim is Yahweh.) Declaring who he follows the Beast or Yahweh. Take light what i warn you of. You will not see if your heart is not towards him. If all matters of Truth matter to you then you will see. This is our cry. Before Yahwshua's return. Luke 4:18-19 18 "The Spirit of Yahweh is upon Me, Because He has anointed Me To preach the gospel to the poor; He has sent Me to heal the brokenhearted, To proclaim liberty to the captives And recovery of sight to the blind, To set at liberty those who are oppressed; 19 To proclaim the acceptable year of Yahweh.." NKJV May the Hearts and Minds of His Children Be Opened...Blessings of Shalom...Miles everything stated by the prophets in the old testament were for the israelites/jews not for the gentiles. everything that is talked of as christ earthly return took place in AD 70 - that's the bottom line - read david chiltons book days of vengeance for conformation on this miles i think you will cahnge your mind as to your taking on these things as pertaining to NOW as what was meant strictly for "THEN" |
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IF Any of You Are TRULY Hungry for God's Word....
and Truly Want to Know God ...then God will Surely make Himself Known to You...As You Seek Him with Your Whole Heart Now . You shouldn't need to seek God MorningSong. If anyone is sincere in heart God should be an automatic part of their life. Anything less than that would be a deceitful game-playing God. I don't believe that God is a deceitful game-player MorningSong, and there is nothing you can do to convince me otherwise.
Is God playing hide and seek again? I wondered who that guy behind my sofa was.
 I lost my bridge - i have to live somewhere dont I?
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Jesus promised his deciples that he would return before their generation was over. After Jesus ascended into heaven, He SENT THE HOLY SPIRIT....so He did return as He said....but thru the THIRD PERSON of the TRINITY.....The Holy Spirit...Whom He LEFT With The Believers Here on Earth. BUT that event( the coming back to his diciples and all Believers, as the Third Person of the Trinity), WAS NOT The SECOND COMING of CHRIST mentioned in the bible. The Second Coming of Christ, is an entirely different Event.....STILL TO COME... WHICH GOD SAID NO MAN KNOWS WHEN THAT TIME WILL BE !!!! So therefore, these writings of Russell and some others out there( about Jesus having already returned in the second coming already), go COMPLETELY AGAINST what GOD'S WORD SAID. I will close with this now: IF Any of You Are TRULY Hungry for God's Word.... and Truly Want to Know God ... then God will Surely make Himself Known to You... As You Seek Him with Your Whole Heart Now . Be Blessed Now Everyone. Take Care Now. Love You All. So Does God.
jesus said "no man knows the hour or the day" the time was made evident by him and prophets as to what season it would be, he gave over 30 signs. - AD 70 was the season - of that their is no doubts. As to chilton - if you would like to read it and then critique it - be my guest - it would be most intersting to see you or others stand against what he states, you will loose my dear - you are wrong - throw away your futurist take of things and be saved again. 
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for a short reply Tribo
talked of as christ earthly return took place in AD 70 - that's the bottom line - read david chiltons book days of vengeance for conformation on this miles i think you will cahnge your mind as to your taking on these things as pertaining to NOW as what was meant strictly for "THEN" The Day of vengence. Here is where it came from. Isa 61:1-2 The Spirit of the Yahweh Elohim is upon Me, Because Yahweh has anointed Me To preach good tidings to the poor; He has sent Me to heal the brokenhearted, To proclaim liberty to the captives, And the opening of the prison to those who are bound; 2 To proclaim the acceptable year of Yahweh, And the day of vengeance of our Elohim; NKJV The last sentence says alot. Look at whayY Yahshua said he was Thier at that time to do. Luke 4:18-22 18 "The Spirit of Yahweh is upon Me, Because He has anointed Me To preach the gospel to the poor; He has sent Me to heal the brokenhearted, To proclaim liberty to the captives And recovery of sight to the blind, To set at liberty those who are oppressed; 19 To proclaim the acceptable year of Yahweh." Notice Trobo He closed the Book before the Day of Vengence and said this hear has now beeen fullfilled. All those things above Yahshua did but he refused any type of fighting. Even healed the soldiers ear when i Think Peter cut it off in the garden.. He denied himself.. This is the message he was proclaiming and that we are to proclaim also. But we proclaim the Vengence of Yahweh as the Day comes near. When the 2 Witness come forth that are from Yahweh. This is why the world hates them. They hate what they are saying and proclaiming.. The Day of Vengence is upon you. 20 Then He closed the book, and gave it back to the attendant and sat down. And the eyes of all who were in the synagogue were fixed on Him. 21 And He began to say to them, "Today this Scripture is fulfilled in your hearing." 22 So all bore witness to Him, and marveled at the gracious words which proceeded out of His mouth. And they said,"Is this not Joseph's son?" NKJV This has not been done tell me how this old testement prophecy has ever been fullfilled? Zech 14:6-15 6 It shall come to pass in that day That there will be no light;The lights will diminish. 7 It shall be one day Which is known to Yahweh — Neither day nor night.But at evening time it shall happen That it will be light. 8 And in that day it shall be That living waters shall flow from Jerusalem,Half of them toward the eastern seaAnd half of them toward the western sea;In both summer and winter it shall occur. 9 And Yahweh shall be King over all the earth.In that day it shall be — "Yahweh is one," And His name one. 10 All the land shall be turned into a plain from Geba to Rimmon south of Jerusalem. Jerusalem shall be raised up and inhabited in her place from Benjamin's Gate to the place of the First Gate and the Corner Gate, and from the Tower of Hananel to the king's winepresses. 11 The people shall dwell in it;And no longer shall there be utter destruction,But Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited. 12 And this shall be the plague with which Yahweh will strike all the people who fought against Jerusalem: Their flesh shall dissolve while they stand on their feet,Their eyes shall dissolve in their sockets,And their tongues shall dissolve in their mouths. 13 It shall come to pass in that day That a great panic from Yahweh will be among them.Everyone will seize the hand of his neighbor,And raise his hand against his neighbor's hand; 14 Judah also will fight at Jerusalem.15 Such also shallAnd the wealth of all the surrounding nationsShall be gathered together:Gold, silver, and apparel in great abundance. be the plagueOn the horse and the mule,On the camel and the donkey,And on all the cattle that will be in those camps.So shall this plague be. NKJV V7 do we know of any day where at evening time it was light. It is speaking that evening will not happen because of the light. V8 has living wqaters flowed out of Jerusalem? Maybe living Blood has. V9 has Yahweh Been King over the who earth and his name 1? V10 has south of jerusalem been turned in to a flat plain? V11.. has uteer destruction stopped in Jerusalem forever? V12 has the plague of flesh melting in thier eye sockets at Jerusalem ever happened? V13 has a great panic from V12 happened? V14 has all the nations around Jerusalem given all thier And the wealth of all the surrounding nationsShall be gathered together:Gold, silver, and apparel in great abundance. Can you explain how these thing have ever taken place or was even possible. Shalom.. Go reread the Book my Friend..Blessings...Miles |
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How do you explain the Prophet Daniel Prophesying or predicting however you want to put it when at the time what he said was not fathonable to anyone how dramtic this would be. I am not sure how long ago it was but 2500 years is a good bet, He said the messiah would not return to take back Jerusalem untill thier had been a great increase of Knowledge. yahshua spoke about condition and said he would return in this generation. That's always the nice thing about prophecy, if you keep it vague enough, it will always come true. I predict that in several generations there will be a time of war and strife, that new technologies will draw us closer while tearing the fabric of our society in half. There have been several points in human history that would point to times like these. Daniels prophecy would also apply to @ 700 AD when Rome was at it's peak, or just before it's collapse. It would also work well in the times of the Enlightenment, when we discovered new planets, as well as a Western Contenient. One could argue for the late 1800's as well, with the increase in medical knowledge. That was a weak prophecy at best. The only thing one should know about Daniels prophecy that sets it apart, is that he predicts the return of someone who had yet to be born. what daniel spoke of was the end of the age, not the end of the world - the age [Aeon] for jerusalem, the age of sacrifice, israles total destruction and the temples also. |
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Jesus promised his deciples that he would return before their generation was over. After Jesus ascended into heaven, He SENT THE HOLY SPIRIT....so He did return as He said....but thru the THIRD PERSON of the TRINITY.....The Holy Spirit...Whom He LEFT With The Believers Here on Earth. BUT that event( the coming back to his diciples and all Believers, as the Third Person of the Trinity), WAS NOT The SECOND COMING of CHRIST mentioned in the bible. The Second Coming of Christ, is an entirely different Event.....STILL TO COME... WHICH GOD SAID NO MAN KNOWS WHEN THAT TIME WILL BE !!!! So therefore, these writings of Russell and some others out there( about Jesus having already returned in the second coming already), go COMPLETELY AGAINST what GOD'S WORD SAID. I will close with this now: IF Any of You Are TRULY Hungry for God's Word.... and Truly Want to Know God ... then God will Surely make Himself Known to You... As You Seek Him with Your Whole Heart Now . Be Blessed Now Everyone. Take Care Now. Love You All. So Does God.
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for a short reply Tribo talked of as christ earthly return took place in AD 70 - that's the bottom line - read david chiltons book days of vengeance for conformation on this miles i think you will cahnge your mind as to your taking on these things as pertaining to NOW as what was meant strictly for "THEN" The Day of vengence. Here is where it came from. Isa 61:1-2 The Spirit of the Yahweh Elohim is upon Me, Because Yahweh has anointed Me To preach good tidings to the poor; He has sent Me to heal the brokenhearted, To proclaim liberty to the captives, And the opening of the prison to those who are bound; 2 To proclaim the acceptable year of Yahweh, And the day of vengeance of our Elohim; NKJV The last sentence says alot. Look at whayY Yahshua said he was Thier at that time to do. Luke 4:18-22 18 "The Spirit of Yahweh is upon Me, Because He has anointed Me To preach the gospel to the poor; He has sent Me to heal the brokenhearted, To proclaim liberty to the captives And recovery of sight to the blind, To set at liberty those who are oppressed; 19 To proclaim the acceptable year of Yahweh." Notice Trobo He closed the Book before the Day of Vengence and said this hear has now beeen fullfilled. All those things above Yahshua did but he refused any type of fighting. Even healed the soldiers ear when i Think Peter cut it off in the garden.. He denied himself.. This is the message he was proclaiming and that we are to proclaim also. But we proclaim the Vengence of Yahweh as the Day comes near. When the 2 Witness come forth that are from Yahweh. This is why the world hates them. They hate what they are saying and proclaiming.. The Day of Vengence is upon you. 20 Then He closed the book, and gave it back to the attendant and sat down. And the eyes of all who were in the synagogue were fixed on Him. 21 And He began to say to them, "Today this Scripture is fulfilled in your hearing." 22 So all bore witness to Him, and marveled at the gracious words which proceeded out of His mouth. And they said,"Is this not Joseph's son?" NKJV This has not been done tell me how this old testement prophecy has ever been fullfilled? Zech 14:6-15 6 It shall come to pass in that day That there will be no light;The lights will diminish. 7 It shall be one day Which is known to Yahweh — Neither day nor night.But at evening time it shall happen That it will be light. 8 And in that day it shall be That living waters shall flow from Jerusalem,Half of them toward the eastern seaAnd half of them toward the western sea;In both summer and winter it shall occur. 9 And Yahweh shall be King over all the earth.In that day it shall be — "Yahweh is one," And His name one. 10 All the land shall be turned into a plain from Geba to Rimmon south of Jerusalem. Jerusalem shall be raised up and inhabited in her place from Benjamin's Gate to the place of the First Gate and the Corner Gate, and from the Tower of Hananel to the king's winepresses. 11 The people shall dwell in it;And no longer shall there be utter destruction,But Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited. 12 And this shall be the plague with which Yahweh will strike all the people who fought against Jerusalem: Their flesh shall dissolve while they stand on their feet,Their eyes shall dissolve in their sockets,And their tongues shall dissolve in their mouths. 13 It shall come to pass in that day That a great panic from Yahweh will be among them.Everyone will seize the hand of his neighbor,And raise his hand against his neighbor's hand; 14 Judah also will fight at Jerusalem.15 Such also shallAnd the wealth of all the surrounding nationsShall be gathered together:Gold, silver, and apparel in great abundance. be the plagueOn the horse and the mule,On the camel and the donkey,And on all the cattle that will be in those camps.So shall this plague be. NKJV V7 do we know of any day where at evening time it was light. It is speaking that evening will not happen because of the light. V8 has living wqaters flowed out of Jerusalem? Maybe living Blood has. V9 has Yahweh Been King over the who earth and his name 1? V10 has south of jerusalem been turned in to a flat plain? V11.. has uteer destruction stopped in Jerusalem forever? V12 has the plague of flesh melting in thier eye sockets at Jerusalem ever happened? V13 has a great panic from V12 happened? V14 has all the nations around Jerusalem given all thier And the wealth of all the surrounding nationsShall be gathered together:Gold, silver, and apparel in great abundance. Can you explain how these thing have ever taken place or was even possible. Shalom.. Go reread the Book my Friend..Blessings...Miles read chiltons book and you will have answers to everything you ask or state my friend - shalom
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I am getting to Hold You Horses Tribo...Blessings of Shalom....Miles
       
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I am getting to Hold You Horses Tribo...Blessings of Shalom....Miles
   
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Maybe we will get to this again Tribo..Shalom..Miles
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Behold, I come quickly. Revelation 22:20 
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