For those with concerns about guns.

September 5, 2008, 2:38 pm
Obama: ‘I’m Not Going to Take Your Guns Away’

Christopher Cooper reports from Duryea, Pa., on the presidential race.

The Obama campaign talks a lot about new ideas and expanding the political map, but in the swing state of Pennsylvania, which the campaign has focused on almost exclusively since the Democratic convention, old-school issues still rise to the fore.

The latest example came Friday during a small political event at SCHOTT North America Inc., a glass factory in Duryea, Pa., where even a hand-picked crowd threw Barack Obama a curve ball.

A woman in the crowd told Obama she had “heard a rumor” that he might be planning some sort of gun ban upon being elected president. Obama trotted out his standard policy stance, that he had a deep respect for the “traditions of gun ownership” but favored measures in big cities to keep guns out of the hands of “gang bangers and drug dealers’’ in big cities “who already have them and are shooting people.”

“If you’ve got a gun in your house, I’m not taking it,’’ Obama said. But the Illinois senator could still see skeptics in the crowd, particularly on the faces of several men at the back of the room.

So he tried again. “Even if I want to take them away, I don’t have the votes in Congress,’’ he said. “This can’t be the reason not to vote for me. Can everyone hear me in the back? I see a couple of sportsmen back there. I’m not going to take away your guns.’’

Nobody is gonna take anyones guns(except the police)

I just saw a pack of wolves in a field near my house for the first time. If I get surrounded, should I be reaching for my pepper spray? Somehow I don't feel as safe lighting a firecracker for noise to deter.

In my city you get fined if your neighbor calls and tells on you for having firecrackers, gues the wolves would get me

He can have my gun,

bullets firs,


165 grains at a time

Careful rayne5...a statement like that could be read as a threat.

Amen brotha

Like freedom of speech there needs to be no more restrictions on firearms. From what i hear you need a permit in some states to own one. That's just like requiring someone to get a permit in order to speak their mind.

These rights shall not be infringed and to further do so, in my opinion, would be attacking the constitution just as badly as the patriot act did, if not more.

Soon the libs will require a permit to speak your mind

Don't think the libs would be doing that anytime soon. That would keep THEM from speaking their mind against the "evil" conservatives.

However, they would be more than happy it seems to make guns illegal. Then, ya know what? that means another party can take away the freedom of speech. This is how it works.


The right of the citizens to keep and bear arms has justly been considered as the palladium of the liberties of a republic; since it offers a strong moral check against usurpation and arbitrary power of rulers; and will generally, even if these are successful in the first instance, enable the people to resist and triumph over them."

-- Supreme Court Justice Joseph Story of the John Marshall Court


"...to disarm the people is the best and most effective way to enslave them..." - George Mason

“The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government”
Thomas Jefferson quotes (American 3rd US President (1801-09). Author of the Declaration of Independence. 1762-1826)



There are many more quotes from our forefathers that support why we have these rights. But they are very important. When the government starts taking away any of these rights they are showing us tyranny, first hand.

"We, the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts -- not to overthrow the Constitution, but to overthrow men who pervert the Constitution." - Abraham Lincoln

They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither safety nor liberty.

-Benjamin Franklin


Sorry....found a couple more i liked....


This next one is VERY interesting...

"There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws." -Ayn Rand in Atlas Shrugged

double posted

oops

Libs are all for freedom of speech as loong as you agree with them

your logic is off. free speech is not like the right to bear arms. you cant kill with words.

its more comparable to a car. everyone has a right to drive a car as long as you are over a certain age and can pass the test you will get a license. for guns the age requirement isnt even there in most cases you can have a gun as long as you have a license and have no felony (a DUI on the cars case). the government just wants you to get a license for your gun in case your gun is used in a crime. it is a law enforcement tool not a tool to take away guns.

i am a "liberal" i have no need to take your guns. if you shoot someone the license gives me confidence you can be tracked down.

That does seem to be one of their set backs...

Oh but you can kill with words my friend!! Just look at Hitler. His words made many pick up guns and kill millions.

The logic i use is the same logic that our forefathers used in forming our constitution. In getting rid of these rights you are paving the way to tyranny... No matter how you want to slice it. Look at Benjamin Franklins quote about freedom and safety.

Also driving a car is considered a privilage. The second amendment is a RIGHT. The metaphore i understand, but it doesn't quite explain it...

I would, however, love to see some sort of mandatory training when it comes to handling firearms, like, safety classes, shooting classes, etc. But that should come from responsibility, not be a requirement to keep your right.

to alter a phrase. words don't kill people, people kill people. Hitler said a lot of things but it was his armies that killed people not the words.

as to your other point. i agree that we need to keep guns in case we have to ice the government one day. im just saying...as you seem to agree that there should be some sort of training involved in handling a gun. i was in the military and i trained on M16, 50cal, granades.

if the point is to keep a well regulated militia then shouldn't that require some training? especially when you may have to fight the governments well trained military

Very true. I agree. Hell, where was it? Sweeden or Switzerland...? One of those countries i believe issues every citizen a firearm after a certain age. They are also given training that is mandatory (like military service) with those firearms. I would be happy if this were the case in the U.S.. Decent semi auto rifles issued with training and 500 rounds of ammo. I bet you would see crime rate drop pretty drastically...

But in this case it would have to be something that doesn't have to be persued, instead all made widely available. Kinda like the last class you take in highschool or something in order to graduate.