Helpfulness - sort of a "what goes around comes around" thing


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ONE........

there is no good nor bad emotion felt......all is for travel to the next stop, as the conductor the heart spur propulsion of all as equal for wisdom......

there is no good or bad word heard.......all is perfect and for travel to the next stop by the silent conductor the heart, leading down the endless yellow brick road of all bricks as equal......

all build the cobblestone path marked with blood and tears, happiness and dreams, the path forged into one path in the days of ONE, and the passing away of all two's as opposites is begun.......peace

My word for today - friday - is eleventeen - it is my favorite number and i seldom get a chance to use it - so here it is.

eleventeen X 3 = thirtythreeteen

if you use it abra you will advance on your mathematical theory over night and become the new

"abrastien" of modern physics in the quantum feeeeeld!!

Thank you Sam, but I'm already a quantum feeeeeld guru.

I'm currently working on becoming a spiritual tarotist.

I'm about to turn the tarot world upside right for a change. That's a bit of a pun because many tarotists are into something called 'reversals' which basically amounts to giving the cards special meanings when they happen to be dealt upside down.

How individual tarot readers interpret reversals range from the mundane to the absurd, IMHO. There are no set rules in tarot.

Some people claim that a reversed tarot card retains it's same meaning as always but simply represents those characteristic as being suppressed, restrained, or unacknowledged in some way.

Other readers do just the opposite. They view card reversals as a sign that the cards are drawing attention to themselves thus implying that their meanings should be emphasized or heightened. They still retain the same meanings for the cards, but just in a heightened stated, rather than in an repressed state as I mentioned above.

Still other card readers view reversed cards to mean just the opposite of what the card would mean if it had been placed upright.

It doesn't stop here ether as there are even other card readers who will give reversed cards entirely different meanings altogether that may be totally unrelated to what the original card would mean in it's upright position.

I'm becoming extremely interested in tarot. It has a very interesting history. I've been reading everything I can find on it and I am even renting videos about it. What I'm finding is that there are as many different ways of viewing tarot as there are to view just about anything else you care to imagine in life. I'm coming to my own conclusions and pictures of what it means to me. I actually have a theory about what the originators may have had in mind when they created tarot.

I have no way of knowing if my theory is correct. It's based partially on intuition, but more so on the actual make up of the original deck and the story of the Fool. I see this story in a very special way that is deeply meaningful to me. However, in my vision of these cards it would be utterly insane to even consider such a thing as "reversed" meanings. If a card is pulled off the deck upside it should just be turned around in the correct orientation before being laid down. This is my personally feelings on this. I feel strongly about this because to me, these cards were designed just as they are for a very specific reason. To go making up additional meanings based on superstition, is to me, to miss the original point of it all.

I don't view tarot as being "supernatural" but rather quite natural.

So what was your word again?

Apollo Thirteenism? Supstitionism? Triboism? Samism? Abraism? Tarotism?

I'll repeat what i stated on another post - you need to getlaid james

Isn't that what you do when you go to a tarot reader?

You get your fate laid before your very eyes?

Maybe I'm misunderstanding what you mean by "getlaid"?

Perhaps you can elaborate?

Is that your word for the day? Getlaid?

Is that a single word or tew?

I can't seem to find it in my dictionary?

My spiritual word for the day is flow. I feel that love follows the same path of least resistance as electricity does.

You feel strongly about this?

Let me just say that it doesn't matter whether a tarot reader applies a meaning to a reversed card or not.

It is a personal choice. I do not assign meanings to reversed cards but when the come up reversed (by some freak accident) I read them that way. I don't shuffle for reversals. The meaning always comes through and it depends upon the surrounding cards.

If you want to make the most of a 78 card deck you can assign meanings for reversals and shuffle for reversals and you will have many more meanings to work with. I just don't want to have to remember all that stuff.

Sorry for being off topic.

JB

That's an electrifying thought Roy.

Thank you.

getlaid is like Koolaid only a lot more fun and rewarding and takes the stress of of those who participate in such things, do you remeber james?Stress? are you stressed? hMMM?

Yes.



Yes. I feel strongly about it as a personal choice.

I don't really care what other people do, I was just sharing my personal choice.

I was reading a tarot forum today and a young girl had posted that she hates the Star card! She says that everytime the Star card comes up it spells disaster for her. To prove her point she stated that she was to meet some guy so she drew a card and it was the Star card. Immediately she thought to herself, "OH GOD NO!". She imagined that it was going to be a disaster and it was!

Ok, so tarot is a personal choice and anyone can turn it into whatever kind of nightmare they'd like it to become.

I really don't care. I prefer to make something positive out of it. The one thing that I have learned about tarot this week is that just about anything goes.

Ask 10 different FAMOUS tarot card readers how they read the cards and what the cards mean and you'll get 10 different answers.

So I'm becoming the "eleventh reader" philosophically speaking of course.



I guess that'd be the "eleventeenth reader".

Not to worry though, I only believe in self-tarot anyway. I don't believe in having a 'psychic' read my cards for me.

I personally feel very strongly that they were originally intended as a tool for self-introspection and were never meant to become a carnival show.

Again, that's a personal choice.

I remember Koolaid. I'm afraid I don't recall having tasted Getlaid.

I also remember doing stress tests on roller mill rolling samples.

I'm currently writing a book on "The Inner Child". I find it extremely peaceful work. I don't think my inner child ever experienced "getlaid" either.

It's a celibate inner child.

god luck with that my friend

I don't hang out in tarot forums. Those people drive me nuts.

Overall I'm quite amazed at what I've read there. This forum requires a fee to join (to post). You can read it for free. I read-only right now.

However this tends to restrict it to people who are at least serious (or stupid enough) to pay.

As I've said, there are actually some pretty intelligent posts. People don't argue. They just voice their opinions and thoughts. They didn't even argue with the girl who hates the Star card. They just told her they feel bad that things aren't working out for her.

I've actaully been thinking about joining just to ask specific questions and see how people respond to them. Some of the members are actually famous readers, and even artists who have created tarot decks!

I think I'll hold off on that for a while though. I've been able to glean quite a bit of information just by reading. I don't take anyone's thoughts as being carved in stone. But I have found much food for thought that has suprised me.

In fact, one Christian gentleman wanted to know if anyone had made a tarot deck with Jesus pictured as "The Fool".

People who are not familiar with tarot might think that this would be an insult of some kind, but it's far from it.

This gentleman actually views the cards much in the same way that I do. As an instrospective tool. The reason that he feels that Jesus should be used to depict "The Fool" is because it suggests to him that if "The Fool" makes all the right choices he will reach the stage of purity.

In other words, in his mind, we should attempt to be like Jesus. Jesus is our model. Therefore when we imagine our role as "The Fool" we should ask ourselves "What would Jesus do in this situation?"

So I fully understand his idea behind this. A Christian Tarot deck truly should depict "The Fool" as Jesus because Jesus is their model of the perfect path.

It makes perfect sense to me, because as you know, I see "The Fool" as our inner child - it represents purity and innocence (hopeful )

Therefore this Christian man fully understands tarot (at least in the same way that I do), and he instantly recognized that "The Fool" represents purity of spirit and thus it should be represented by Jesus.

I'm sure that most Christian fundamentalists would be appalled beyond belief, to see Jesus as "The Fool" on a tarot deck!

But that can only be because they don't understand the meaning of tarot.

Of course many people don't view tarot in this way. Even many people who have made tarot decks have pictured the fool as being a stupid character, or a jester, or clown.

IMHO they totally miss the point to it.

I personally don't believe that the orignial meaning of "The Fool" was meant to imply stupidity, it was meant to imply innocence, purity, like a new born baby. You can see this both in the story of the journey of the fool, and in the traditoinal meaning given to the card. It's not about stupidity, it's about birth, newness, innocence, purity of spirit.

Big difference!!!

When understood in this way, it is perfectly understandable why the Christian gentleman would suggest that Jesus should be used as "The Fool" on a Christian tarot deck as a reminder to the Christian that every choice on his journey though life he should choose as Christ would choose!

I think he hit the nail right on the head to be perfecly honest about it.

There are free tarot forums on Yahoo you can join.




I think it would be untraditional, very bad form, and the wrong kind of energy for the fool.



The fool is clueless. He represents a young person starting out on the journey of life with no clue where the pitfalls are. He has not yet learned how to think negatively so he is very lucky as he blunders through his adventures and creates his reality, but some times this energy is careless and he falls off the cliff he is dancing on and learns a hard lesson, but many times shear luck and his positive clueless attitude is all that saves him.

If a person were designing a tarot deck strictly for introspection about their own life, they would do well to cast themself as the fool because it does represent them, the person being read on the first step of his journey.

The character that Jesus represents is certainly not the fool. If anything, he could be cast as the Hierophant (teacher and tradition) or the Sun. I have seen some Christian deck that cast Jesus as the Sun. (After all, he is the Sun God.)

Of course anything goes with tarot decks and people left and right are designing their own decks these days because of what you can do on a computer. A person can do whatever they want. But if they want to be traditional, and if they want to represent the journey of the fool, or if they intend to market their deck, they would be wise not to cast Jesus as the fool. It just doesn't fit symbolically in the traditional sense.



I totally disagree. The fool is not a teacher or a prophet, or a God, or even wise. The fool is a clueless beginner.



I really doubt that this man fully understands tarot symbolism. He's sounds like he's been at it for about a week.



Most Christian fundamentalists wouldn't be even looking at a tarot deck.



Some see the fool as a trickster or a con man, but for most, (and for me,) the fool is a clueless beginner who knows very little about life but has luck on his side.

Jeannie

Please give me a break!

There are already hundreds of untraditional tarot decks on the market of all manner. I'm reading about dragon tarot, for example, it basically uses the same names for the cards but it has totally different meanings for them. Personally I think it's a worthless deck, but that's just me.

There are many other totally non-traditional "tarot" decks on the market.



I disagree. I think you miss the point, that the Christian was trying to make. He not suggesting that Jesus is the fool, but rather he is suggesting that Jesus is the model for how the fool should choose!

I fully understand his point and imagery of how he is viewing it. I personally feel that it would work for me if I were still a Christian.



Yes, I can see where arguements could be made to put his image on other cards, especially the World Card.

Personally I wouldn't put him as the Hierophant because I see the Hierophant more to be about human social rules and traditions. But again, that could be viewed differently by different people.

I still thing the fool would be the perfect role model. The idea is not that Jesus is the fool, but rather he's a 'reminder' of what the fool should choose!

That's the idea of symbolism that this man was shooting for.

But I can see where everyone wouldn't view it the same way.

Yes there are many untraditional decks out there to include what they call Oracle decks.

Our first deck we designed for ourselves. The one we are doing right now is going to be even more traditional because we are designing it for the masses.

It will be simple for a person who knows just a little about the tarot to pick up and read.

Bottom line is there are no rules, but if you break with tradition, you should always have a book with the deck explaining the symbolism to anyone who just bought your deck.

JB

"Partnership"

Spiritual word for today, Saturday 9/6/2008

Taken from the Card Drawn, "two of cups." This is a man and woman who just met. It could be love or it could be a business relationship with heart or feeling involved. It could lead to something more serious later.

I think I will assign a reversed meaning to this card just for the fun of it.

"Conspiracy"

(I love conspiracies)

JB

Both, tribo..

Just.... without the whole different connotations on the word.... I am a just being... as well as 'only/just' being.


We could dissect the whole statement...or not


The most spiritual term I can find is Being.

It is One in it's simplicity that resonates and encompasses the All.