If you want to believe that God did this for you more power to you.

I see no reason to try to convince other people.

If the Holy Spirit isn't capable of saving all the worthy people on his own then he isn't much of a God.

The bottom line is pretty simple. If it's true that a truly righteous God exists. And that God can indeed to miralcles etc., then it's utterly silly to think that God would 'lose' a good soul to Satan.

For if that were to happen God himself would be a loser.

Can't have that.

Wow, that's a profound thought!: flowerforyou:

In hollywood, anything is possible....

CircuitRider.... God Bless You ....

I know you recieved a miracle. I have seen many performed myself....in my own life also...and yes..God is still performing miracles today.

CircuitRider.. I for one, know what you meant, when you said , "Jesus is not God".....and I know that what you meant by this statement is this :

God and Jesus and the Holy Spirit are THREE SEPARATE DISTINCT PERSONS IN ONE GODHEAD....THREE IN ONE.....YET...THE THREE SEPARATE DISTINCT PERSONS IN THE GODHEAD , STILL MAKE UP JUST ONE GOD!!
3 PERSONS YET STILL JUST ONE GOD!!!

I know what you meant....just clarifying , in case there are others reading this,that might have misunderstoood what you were saying.

JESUS was with the FATHER from the beginninmg......JESUS IS THE WORD......

JESUS said to Abraham ," BEFORE you WERE, I AM "!!!!!!

Meaning....
JESUS ALWAS WAS, even before he stepped down from heaven, to be born of a virgin.
He ALWAYS WAS with the Father from the very beginning...this is why Jesus is called the GREAT I AM.

Also... JESUS IS the WORD...and the WORD is a NOW WORD......

NOW FAITH IS....

JESUS IS "I AM ".

And it Please the Heavenly Father , to give ALL the GLORY to Jesus now, because of what Jesus did for us on that cross......Jesus deserves ALL the GLORY.
Amen!!!!

ALL Glory Goes to God.
GOD....Father , Jesus, Holy Spirit ....three in ONE.....BUT STILL ONLY ONE GOD!!!!!

You'd have to ask them if you want a definitive answer to that. I can only conjecture that they said what they said because they believed that anything they could not explain must be the work of god.

I'm afraid that he text itself is not in agreement with you. If the Jesus you believe in is the one of scripture - it states that He is God.

Is this where I buy an argument?

I'd like to buy an argument, please.

Without a doubt. Beyond your wildest imagination.

We can turn a tree into anything.

Actually ,CircuitRider, I came back online....cause my spirt has been grieved by your earlier statement that yuo made, about Jesus not being God.

Come to think of it, I am not really sure what exactly you meant by that earlier statement you made, "Jesus is not God".

Maybe what I think you meant was not what you meant afterall....so I will allow you to clarify, instead.

Frankly.. as a christian, I felt I needed to come back online , and add this statement:
And that is.....

JESUS IS GOD!!!


GOD IS....


GOD THE FATHER....

GOD THE SON (JESUS ).....

GOD THE HOLY SPIRIT.....


THREE IN ONE!!!!!

FATHER , SON , HOLY SPIRIT, MAKE UP ONE GOD!!!!!

SO THEREFORE, JESUS IS AS MUCH GOD AS THE FATHER !!!

SIMPLY BECAUSE... THE FATHER AND JESUS ...ARE ONE!!!!

ONE!!!

ONE GOD!!!

JESUS SAID, "IF YOU HAVE SEEN ME, YOU HAVE SEEN THE FATHER".


AMEN!!!

You believe in Jesus. You believe Jesus is God. To you, Jesus represents God. That is your belief and your personal reality.

You should not be grieved by what anyone else says or believes. The only reason you might be grieved is that you suspect you could be wrong.

Are you wrong Morningsong?

Trust me when I say to you, that it does not matter what anyone else believes. What you believe is what matters.

JB

Their is a movie called Zeitgeist (youtube it) that can explain this way better than me, but here is a summary. This is just an opinion so take it with a grain of salt please. The Birth sequence of Jesus is completely astrological. It is merely the story of the "life" and "death" of the sun. (solstices) Throughout recorded history we can note similarities between most major religion figures and the sun. This video is just another way to look at it. I say check it out.

Disclaimer: This movie will not offer any support for your religious affirmations.

Actually - it doesn't matter what anyone believes, it's a matter of what the text says. The question framed by the OP refered to the bible, and understanding what it says. The text of scripture clearly states that Jesus is God. If one choses to believe that Jesus is not God, they are talking about a Jesus that is not in the bible, so any reference of "that" Jesus' character is pure assumption.

Yes - most, if not all of us have seen it. The main premises of "Z" are based on traditional assumptions, and not biblical references, so he analogies fall short. It is putting the cart before the horse. Most "christian" holidays are established specifically to coincide with Pagan holidays, as opposed to correct biblical exegesis. For instance - it is known by every believer that Christ was not born on Dec 25th. Not even close. Nor is Easter accurate either. So all of those references go out the window on false premises. Any of the other "date" correspondences refer to the time of the writting of the N.T., in terms of the virgin birth, born in Bethlahem, wise men, etc. But the correct text to reference these dates comes not from the N.T., but from Isaiah. So it is quite easy to postulate that all of the pagan similarities were in fact taken from Isaiah, rather than the N.T. being taken from the pagan sources.

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No it is not a matter of what the text says. The OP did not ask what the text says. The OP asked if Jesus is God.



The answer to this question "Does God say Jesus is God?" implies that God and Jesus are two different entities.

So the question is not what does the text say. The question asks "Is Jesus God?"

If you believe the text, then I guess you can believe Jesus is God if you want. But she says that the Bible is confusing and full of inconsistencies, so she doubts the text itself.

So the question remains, "Is Jesus God?"

I think she should be asking the question was Jesus a real person or a fictional character. Once she decides if he was or was not even a real person, who really existed, then she can ask the question, "Is Jesus God?"

I am telling her No. Jesus is a fictional character. He never existed. The story is a myth.

But it does not matter one way or another what you choose to believe. It is what it is. You are who you are. It does not matter. Believe or not, your choice.

JB

She asked if Jesus was God, and then stated the bible confused her on this issue. I then described the Jesus of the bible (the one you refer to as fictional) and any other Jesus one wishes to discuss - that's all. Asking questions concerning the devinity of Jesus would naturally conclude that the Jesus of scripture is being referenced - what other Jesus in history would be refered to here?

Your belief that Jesus is fictional is irrelivant to her question.

You could look at it that way. I look at it this way.

Because Jesus is a fictional character, the question itself is irrelevant.

If she had phrased her question, "Does the Bible say that Jesus is God?"

I would answer yes.

But she asked if "God" said that "Jesus is God."

I would have to say, "No one knows what God said or didn't say."

But her question point blank was "Is Jesus God?"

Assuming she meant the Jesus mentioned in the New Testament, my answer would be,

"No because he was a fictional character." That is my opinion. Other people will tell her, "Yes, because the Bible says so.." That is their opinion.

JB

Jesus was God in the flesh

He led by example

Jesus name meant, " God with us "


'nuff said,'


hello folks, not sticking around long, have some bad weather going around

Trust me when I say to you, that it does not matter what anyone else believes. What you believe is what matters.

JB

JB fianlly said something I can agree with

So all we can do from here is wait for the dead sea scrolls to hopefully shed some light on all of this.

When talking about the past it is important to realize that "history" is not always correct. I can not agree on this theory of "one true god" Through out the ages people (as well as religious congregations) have used death and persecution as a way of making their ideologies 'valid' and widely known. In the words of Napoleon Bonaparte, "History is written by the winners" (not an exact quote but to the best of my memory)

Quite frankly if this is the type of values and people that will be 'experienced' in heaven I call first in line for hell.