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then whats the point of living if the two cant interact? why ould god give a soul a body that couldnt function, couldnt even do anything? if the mind ws unaware of the world, what would be the point in staying in it? then why would it matter if you killed yourself? so it doesnt matter how much you hurt as long as youre not the one causing pain....that doesnt make anysense. but what if the soul suffers? what ifthe soul has too much pain? it didnt choose that pain to be inflicted on it, so why cant it stop it? i dont thinks that true. unless your saying that the soul cant feel joy on an everyday basis. the soul feels, and it feels all things. how can it not suffer?if it can love..then it can hurt doesnt make sense. |
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then whats the point of living if the two cant interact? why ould god give a soul a body that couldnt function, couldnt even do anything? if the mind ws unaware of the world, what would be the point in staying in it? then why would it matter if you killed yourself? so it doesnt matter how much you hurt as long as youre not the one causing pain....that doesnt make anysense. but what if the soul suffers? what ifthe soul has too much pain? it didnt choose that pain to be inflicted on it, so why cant it stop it? i dont thinks that true. unless your saying that the soul cant feel joy on an everyday basis. the soul feels, and it feels all things. how can it not suffer?if it can love..then it can hurt doesnt make sense. |
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Edited by
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Sorry Sara....had to delete that website I shared earlier.....saw some of just man's opinions mixed in, that I don't agree with...my apologies...will share correct info later when I can..having severe pc probs right now....
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My perspective...forget everything you know and think you know.
Body - Spirit - Soul Your body is obvious, but your Spirit and Soul are often confused. Your spirit is from God and is your link to God. Your soul gives your body life. Your soul is YOU, your personality, thoughts and emotions. Your soul is filtered through your body. Imagine light going through a lens. The light that goes into the lens is pure light, which is comparable to your soul unfettered by your body. The light that comes out of the lens is comparable to how your soul presents itself through your body. A person who has mental illness has a disease of the body, not the soul. Your soul presents itself through your body differently based upon the condition of your body and brain. Why do those people exist? I'm sure that God has many reasons. |
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Your spirit and soul are from God, but your body is the result of a genetic lottery. Your body is the result of the union between your father and mother. God doesn't plan those things to happen, it's just the way it is. To believe that God plans for us to have our bodies would mean that God arranges rapes and incest, which isn't true. Although God doesn't directly give us our bodies, God expects us to do the best we can with what we have.
This is also a chance to explain something. To the Jewish mind, all things that happen are attributed to God. This is because God has control over all things. Even when God doesn't directly cause an action, God has allowed it to happen. This is always for the best for everyone, but often times it will seem to be capricious or even evil. |
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oh but it does
21 grams the soul has nothing to do with the body |
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Edited by
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Thu 08/28/08 07:29 AM
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then whats the point of living if the two cant interact? why ould god give a soul a body that couldnt function, couldnt even do anything? if the mind ws unaware of the world, what would be the point in staying in it? then why would it matter if you killed yourself? so it doesnt matter how much you hurt as long as youre not the one causing pain....that doesnt make anysense. but what if the soul suffers? what ifthe soul has too much pain? it didnt choose that pain to be inflicted on it, so why cant it stop it? i dont thinks that true. unless your saying that the soul cant feel joy on an everyday basis. the soul feels, and it feels all things. how can it not suffer?if it can love..then it can hurt doesnt make sense. I don't think yourlove1 knows what he is talking about. I don't agree with anything he has said here. Its just his opinion and you are right, it doesnt make any sense. |
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No, the devil has your soul and you need to find a good exercist.
If you're not religious find a good psychiatrist, of course if you're schizophrenic, you're problably having extremely spiritual delusions, so go for the exercist. The mind is amazing - what can cure is often as simple as what one believes. |
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Edited by
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Spider wrote:
Your soul is YOU, your personality, thoughts and emotions. Not to argue 'spider's' perspective in any way, shape or form, but the perspective to which I subscribe, with respect to spirit and soul, is at the opposite end of the personal spectrum proposed by 'spider'. Spirit and soul, in my perspective, are pure abstractions. Given this perspective of abstraction, there is no relation whatsoever IMPerspective, between Spirit and Soul, and 'ME', as my 'I' knows 'ME': 'I', the 'Identity', the 'self-awareness illusion making machine'. Fron that vantage point, spirit and soul have nothing to do with 'my' personality, 'my' thoughts, 'my' opinions, 'my' beliefs, etc. If anything, spirit and soul (quite distinct from the falsehoods of 'MY SPIRIT', and 'MY SOUL') are only present and accessible as the abstractions that they are, when we momentarily surrender our 'attachment' to 'EGO': what we know, what we believe, what we are convinced that we are!!! Only then is spirit and soul present, and never IMO, is it present as a PERSONAL, 'I' BASED, phenomenon. If anything, the abstractions of spirit and soul are an inappropriatable, impersonal, and a totally paradoxical link to the 'universal', the whole, the all/nothing, which will always, elude the 'I', the identity, the 'ego'; the picture or illusion (self-awareness default) of the thing, will never be thing, no matter how precise or convincing the quality of the illusionary reproduction. Momentary and 'willful' detachment from 'I', is essential, and pre-conditional to being present to the impersonal and universal domains of 'spirit and soul'. Of course, my perspective. |
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Sorry Sara....had to delete that website I shared earlier.....saw some of just man's opinions mixed in, that I don't agree with...my apologies...will share correct info later when I can..having severe pc probs right now.... anything you could share would be helpful. thank you ;. |
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My perspective...forget everything you know and think you know. Body - Spirit - Soul Your body is obvious, but your Spirit and Soul are often confused. Your spirit is from God and is your link to God. Your soul gives your body life. Your soul is YOU, your personality, thoughts and emotions. Your soul is filtered through your body. Imagine light going through a lens. The light that goes into the lens is pure light, which is comparable to your soul unfettered by your body. The light that comes out of the lens is comparable to how your soul presents itself through your body. A person who has mental illness has a disease of the body, not the soul. Your soul presents itself through your body differently based upon the condition of your body and brain. Why do those people exist? I'm sure that God has many reasons. but what is the souls function in a body like that? its not aware that its suffering. it cant think..you essentially are not you because of the diseaes. whyt would a god allow that? |
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Your spirit and soul are from God, but your body is the result of a genetic lottery. Your body is the result of the union between your father and mother. God doesn't plan those things to happen, it's just the way it is. To believe that God plans for us to have our bodies would mean that God arranges rapes and incest, which isn't true. Although God doesn't directly give us our bodies, God expects us to do the best we can with what we have. This is also a chance to explain something. To the Jewish mind, all things that happen are attributed to God. This is because God has control over all things. Even when God doesn't directly cause an action, God has allowed it to happen. This is always for the best for everyone, but often times it will seem to be capricious or even evil. very true. god wants us to make the best...what if the best is death? or is that not an option? |
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then whats the point of living if the two cant interact? why ould god give a soul a body that couldnt function, couldnt even do anything? if the mind ws unaware of the world, what would be the point in staying in it? then why would it matter if you killed yourself? so it doesnt matter how much you hurt as long as youre not the one causing pain....that doesnt make anysense. but what if the soul suffers? what ifthe soul has too much pain? it didnt choose that pain to be inflicted on it, so why cant it stop it? i dont thinks that true. unless your saying that the soul cant feel joy on an everyday basis. the soul feels, and it feels all things. how can it not suffer?if it can love..then it can hurt doesnt make sense. I don't think yourlove1 knows what he is talking about. I don't agree with anything he has said here. Its just his opinion and you are right, it doesnt make any sense. lol well at least im not alone in thinking that... |
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then whats the point of living if the two cant interact? How did a disorder become soulless? Ever thought that perhaps there is more soul, not less, in those that are societally special? I have many people in my world who have disorders, some chemically treated, some herbally and naturopathically treated, and they are more soulful, that 90% of the walking dead called society. |
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No, the devil has your soul and you need to find a good exercist. If you're not religious find a good psychiatrist, of course if you're schizophrenic, you're problably having extremely spiritual delusions, so go for the exercist. The mind is amazing - what can cure is often as simple as what one believes. 
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Spider wrote: Your soul is YOU, your personality, thoughts and emotions. Not to argue 'spider's' perspective in any way, shape or form, but the perspective to which I subscribe, with respect to spirit and soul, is at the opposite end of the personal spectrum proposed by 'spider'. Spirit and soul, in my perspective, are pure abstractions. Given this perspective of abstraction, there is no relation whatsoever IMPerspective, between Spirit and Soul, and 'ME', as my 'I' knows 'ME': 'I', the 'Identity', the 'self-awareness illusion making machine'. Fron that vantage point, spirit and soul have nothing to do with 'my' personality, 'my' thoughts, 'my' opinions, 'my' beliefs, etc. If anything, spirit and soul (quite distinct from the falsehoods of 'MY SPIRIT', and 'MY SOUL') are only present and accessible as the abstractions that they are, when we momentarily surrender our 'attachment' to 'EGO': what we know, what we believe, what we are convinced that we are!!! Only then is spirit and soul present, and never IMO, is it present as a PERSONAL, 'I' BASED, phenomenon. If anything, the abstractions of spirit and soul are an inappropriatable, impersonal, and a totally paradoxical link to the 'universal', the whole, the all/nothing, which will always, elude the 'I', the identity, the 'ego'; the picture or illusion (self-awareness default) of the thing, will never be thing, no matter how precise or convincing the quality of the illusionary reproduction. Momentary and 'willful' detachment from 'I', is essential, and pre-conditional to being present to the impersonal and universal domains of 'spirit and soul'. Of course, my perspective. then why do we have them? and how exactly are we connected to them?what makes us who we are if not our soul? im sorry im not trying to argue im just curious |
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Mind body and soul Work Together, but are not all the samething
"Insane"...is a part on the mind Your soul takes the bigest part of what makes the person the body is the reaction or product of what the other two might agree on or not Your soul isnt what goes insane You have a soul aslong as you are alive still No soul is no Life |
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Your spirit and soul are from God, but your body is the result of a genetic lottery. Your body is the result of the union between your father and mother. God doesn't plan those things to happen, it's just the way it is. To believe that God plans for us to have our bodies would mean that God arranges rapes and incest, which isn't true. Although God doesn't directly give us our bodies, God expects us to do the best we can with what we have. This is also a chance to explain something. To the Jewish mind, all things that happen are attributed to God. This is because God has control over all things. Even when God doesn't directly cause an action, God has allowed it to happen. This is always for the best for everyone, but often times it will seem to be capricious or even evil. very true. god wants us to make the best...what if the best is death? or is that not an option? Death is the end of the struggle and toil we have in life. To end your own life is murder and giving up. Therefore, suicide is never the best we can do. We must struggle to overcome our problems, not give into them. |
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Death is the end of the struggle and toil we have in life. To end your own life is murder and giving up. Therefore, suicide is never the best we can do. We must struggle to overcome our problems, not give into them. One of the wisest things I have read of yours Spider. Thankyou. May I also add, for you Sara, that life does not always have to be a struggle... not always is it suffering, there are joys, and highlights, even in the mundane .... we only have to have an open heart, and an open mind. 
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then whats the point of living if the two cant interact? How did a disorder become soulless? Ever thought that perhaps there is more soul, not less, in those that are societally special? I have many people in my world who have disorders, some chemically treated, some herbally and naturopathically treated, and they are more soulful, that 90% of the walking dead called society. i was just wondering if the people who cant fuction if they would still consider themselves..who they were and if it would be better if they died before it got that bad |
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