I passed it to Miquel.

He's Bogarting it.

hey, I have some coupons of Olive Garden may you and Abra can use it for a date in which both of you can talk face to face on how nonsensical christians are. with some candlelight and some wine,

So as long as they push their unproven truths, I will push mine back at them.

JB

I tell you the native indians were smart. They invited the white man to discuss territory or deals of whatever, but figured tobacco is something the white man doesn't know. We can have peace yet for another day just by offering a peace pipe.

And as the white man sucked away he became dizzy and happy that he forgot the whole reason why he came to the chiefs home in the first place. lol

so Miguel pass the pipe will you.

just for the record that has never been my argument.
that is the fundie record.

Now that you've mentioned the Olive Garden I've decided to go out for dinner.

I didn't not pass out from the peace pipe.

I just need to run over to town for a bit.

Owl be back.

I read and see no difference.......I see blah blah blah over the same subject with each answering in different the same crap........so blah blah blah

I read and see no difference.......I see blah blah blah over the same subject with each answering in different the same crap........so blah blah blah

Thank you for your intelligent contribution to the blah blah blah blah Feralcat.

If spidey were saying something and quickstepper would come to defend his position.
would be exactly the same as when you defend abra position

1 Welcome anyone who is weak in faith, but not for disputes over opinions.
2 One person believes that one may eat anything, while the weak person eats only vegetables.
3 The one who eats must not despise the one who abstains, and the one who abstains must not pass judgment on the one who eats; for God has welcomed him.
4 Who are you to pass judgment on someone else's servant? Before his own master he stands or falls. And he will be upheld, for the Lord is able to make him stand.
5 (For) one person considers one day more important than another, while another person considers all days alike. Let everyone be fully persuaded in his own mind.
6 Whoever observes the day, observes it for the Lord. Also whoever eats, eats for the Lord, since he gives thanks to God; while whoever abstains, abstains for the Lord and gives thanks to God.
7 None of us lives for oneself, and no one dies for oneself.
8 For if we live, we live for the Lord, 3 and if we die, we die for the Lord; so then, whether we live or die, we are the Lord's.
9 For this is why Christ died and came to life, that he might be Lord of both the dead and the living.
10 Why then do you judge your brother? Or you, why do you look down on your brother? For we shall all stand before the judgment seat of God;
11 for it is written: "As I live, says the Lord, every knee shall bend before me, and every tongue shall give praise to God."
12 So (then) each of us shall give an account of himself (to God).
13 Then let us no longer judge one another, but rather resolve never to put a stumbling block or hindrance in the way of a brother.
14 I know and am convinced in the Lord Jesus that nothing is unclean in itself; still, it is unclean for someone who thinks it unclean.
15 If your brother is being hurt by what you eat, your conduct is no longer in accord with love. Do not because of your food destroy him for whom Christ died.
16 So do not let your good be reviled.
17 For the kingdom of God is not a matter of food and drink, but of righteousness, peace, and joy in the holy Spirit;
18 whoever serves Christ in this way is pleasing to God and approved by others.
19 Let us then pursue what leads to peace and to building up one another.
20 For the sake of food, do not destroy the work of God. Everything is indeed clean, but it is wrong for anyone to become a stumbling block by eating;
21 it is good not to eat meat or drink wine or do anything that causes your brother to stumble.
22 Keep the faith (that) you have to yourself in the presence of God; blessed is the one who does not condemn himself for what he approves.
23 But whoever has doubts is condemned if he eats, because this is not from faith; for whatever is not from faith is sin.

TLW,

You wage a one sided battle. Nothing will make me insult my brother or belittle his beliefs. You are forgiven before you even post.

So it seems to be that God is some sort of slave master. (amusing statement, indeed).
It seems that some say they have freed themselves of some sort of imaginary slavery that has been around since the world is world. (amusing statement, as well).
It seems that SOME OF (check the caps) those who have freed themselves are in some sort of mission to free the rest of us. (even more amusing).
It seems that there is some kind of authority which is quite hard to understand.
well what is a world without some sort of authority to give order to things.

Let's say for instance:
there is a sign in the road which says that the speed limit is 45 mph, but i decide to be rebellious [disregard to authority under normal conditions (not extremes as some like to use as examples)], and drive at speed of 60 mph. A cop is around and I get a ticket for speeding.
There is an authority which is sign that says that I HAVE TO DRIVE AT 45 MPH, and I just don't do it, I feel like a free rebel. A free rebel who has to pay a ticket, and get points in the driver's license, and pay more in car insurance.
As far as I'm concern there is not much of a difference between a rebel and a fool which is the most amusing thing ever.

TLW

TLW,

Your analogy actually works better for my argument than it does your own. In the situation with the police officer writing you a ticket for speeding there are two things that are worth pointing out.

1. Unlike the bible and many stories of faith, the speed limit sign is tangible. I can read it, understand it, apply it, disregard it. But there would be no argument as to its validity when it comes to being real. In other words, the sign does not require faith on the part of drivers for it to be considered and taken seriously.

2. In the case of the ticket, it is a great example of what most dogmas lack: the punishment fitting the crime. You are rebelling when you drive 60 through the 45, or simply not paying attention. The police officer pulls you over and he writes you a ticket. The punishment is fitting when compared to the crime--after all, there are some legitimate reasons not to drive that fast through a congested area. The other point that should be made here is that with the officer and the driver, there is a common ground that can be agreed upon. In other words, you KNOW why you are being pulled over, why you are being given a ticket. In the case of the ticket you are also being reprimanded for what YOU did. Most components of sacrificial faith argue not that you should pay for what YOU have done (and what choice did you have if you were born sinful) but what others have done.

The ticket example is a good one but more so for my own arguments. It is appropriate and logical to ticket someone, to fine someone for actions they have willfully involved themselves in. Slightly less logical is to ask someone to pay a fine for something done 2,000 years ago by men who believed that epilepsy was demonic worship and working on the Sunday a crime worth killing a man over.

-Drew