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I dont have a concept of Satan. He or it was invented by Christians and is intertwined in their baseline theology. Kind of ironic huh? 
The classic picture of the devil is red with horns and a tail. Ironically, Draconian aliens have been described as humanoid creatures with horns and a tail. Some have wings. They come (or have been seen) in three colors. Red, Black, White mostly. These are Draconians. They are galaxy aliens. They dominate the milky way galaxy. These are not the little gray Zeta clones who have been said to be doing abductions. These aliens are not our friend. It would be fair to call them "Satan and his demons." They are ruled by a Queen and are a female dominated society, except for the ones who rebelled. The rebellion was and is a male dominated group. Hence, Satan. You think Satan is a bad boy, well, wait until you meet the Queen. She is ten times worse. JB I did not say that Satan was red and had horns and a tail. I simply said that this is the description of the Draconian Aliens and it seems to me that somewhere along the line, someone saw or met one of these aliens and decided that it must be Satan himself, hence the classic picture of Satan arises in the subconscious matrix. The fallen angels are simply these aliens. Back then, anyone coming from the sky might be misconstrued as "angels" and indeed many were mistook for Gods. You think that the name you give them changes anything? It doesn't. JB |
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I dont have a concept of Satan. He or it was invented by Christians and is intertwined in their baseline theology. Kind of ironic huh?
The classic picture of the devil is red with horns and a tail. Ironically, Draconian aliens have been described as humanoid creatures with horns and a tail. Some have wings. They come (or have been seen) in three colors. Red, Black, White mostly. These are Draconians. They are galaxy aliens. They dominate the milky way galaxy. These are not the little gray Zeta clones who have been said to be doing abductions. These aliens are not our friend. It would be fair to call them "Satan and his demons." They are ruled by a Queen and are a female dominated society, except for the ones who rebelled. The rebellion was and is a male dominated group. Hence, Satan. You think Satan is a bad boy, well, wait until you meet the Queen. She is ten times worse. JB I did not say that Satan was red and had horns and a tail. I simply said that this is the description of the Draconian Aliens and it seems to me that somewhere along the line, someone saw or met one of these aliens and decided that it must be Satan himself, hence the classic picture of Satan arises in the subconscious matrix. The fallen angels are simply these aliens. Back then, anyone coming from the sky might be misconstrued as "angels" and indeed many were mistook for Gods. You think that the name you give them changes anything? It doesn't. JB, neither does the name you give them |
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Okay so your assertion then is that the bible is wrong in its account of the flood being worldwide? I would agree with that. It’s possible that to these people, it was in fact their entire world so they might have expressed it that way in the bible. Mistakes like that are forgivable. The bible was written by men so has the propensity to be erroneous. I guess that’s a given. It also seems that if god has created everything like the Creationists seem to buy into; couldn’t he have just gotten rid of the earth and started over? Why bother with floods and dragging it out in such a manor. So if we accept your theory which seems plausible that this was only one of many floods in a centralized local, then that sort of dispels all the crazy mysticism and god really had nothing to do with it. It was a natural disaster. |
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I thought to interject at length in this thread because I have some definate thoughts on religion and religious philosophy but after the galaxy aliens and other bizarre thoughts that some have stated here, decided, nope. I just can't go there.
I'll just say that I am a scientist at heart and am skeptical of a lot of theories. Just not about the existence of a superior being or beings. I don't read Hebrew and the bible was written by men. Parts were lost and left out to reflect the idealogy of men of the time. We know this now. We also know that the author of the KJV bible was executed by the king for heresy after his compilation. Another was enlisted, they booted that version as well and decided that the first wasn't so bad after all. I believe with all the religions that exist, and have for far longer than Christianity, all one can do is find out all that you can and go with what thier hearts tell them. I mean except those damned Muslims. lol |
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see, me and FreeToB have been friends for 35 years, have very different opinions when it comes to religion and have never fought about it................so...........
can't we all just get along 
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The bible doesn't say the flood was worldwide
There would have been no reason to build an ark to save the animal kingdom if it was just a local flood. So the very idea that the animal kingdom was being saved is an automatic claim that it was a worldwide flood. I have often argued that the flood fable was indeed sparked by a local flood, and not a global flood. What most likely happened is that some major flood took place. A survivor wrote about the the story (or talked about it). Actually in those days it was mostly like just word of mouth, I seriously doubt that people were writing novels in those days. What happened is that people started claiming that it was indeed a worldwide flood. So then people asked how anyone was able to survive it. Thus the story about Noah and a boat. Then skeptics started probing further asking how the animals survived if the whole world was flooded. The boat then grew to become an Ark that could support the animal kingdom. I imagine the story contined to be refined over many generations before it was finally recorded in written form we have come to know and love. 
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My understanding sharp was that you were trying to assert that the biblical flood of Noah was indeed worldwide. Many Christians have come to that conclusion. If you do not believe this to be the case, fine. I wouldn't either based on the Egyptians alone. 
5000 BC Earliest evidence of settled human habitation in the Nile delta 3800 BC The beginnings of Nile culture 3100-2650 BC Archaic Period 3100 BC Earliest evidence of hieroglyphic writingin Egypt 3100 BC The legendary king, Menes, unites the two kingdoms of Egypt 3000 BC Earliest evidence of sun-worship in Egypt 2700-1640 BC Pyramid-building period; largest pyramids built for Cheops, Chephren, and Mycerinus 2550-2490 BC Building of the pyramid tombs for Khufu (Cheops) and Khephren (Chephren), the largest of the Egyptian pyramids 2650-2134 BC Old Kingdom; beginning of the Third Dynasty ~2630 BC Netcherike-Djoser, pharoah who built the the "Step" pyramid 2134-2040 BC Collapse of the Sixth Dynasty and the Old Kingdom; beginning of the First Intermediate Period 2040-1640 BC Middle Kingdom 1700 BC Earliest evidence of diagnostic medicine in Egypt 1640-1550 BC Collapse of the Middle Kingdom (1640 BC; beginning of the Second Intermediate Period 1550-1070 BC New Kingdom; temple-building period in Egypt; the Temple of Karnak built and added to all through the New Kingdom period ~1500 BC Earliest examples of the Book of the Dead 1380 BC Building of the Temple of Luxor by Amenhotep III 1367-1350 BC Reign of Amenhotep IV (Akhenaton), who abandoned Egyptian polytheism for a monotheistic religion 1347-1339 BC Reign of Tutankhamon 1182-1151 BC Reign of Ramses III; supposed period of Hebrew migration out of Egypt to Palestine 1070-712 BC Collapse of New Kingdom (1070 BC; Third Intermediate Period 750 BC Conquest of Egypt by Kush under Kashta and then Piankhy 712-332 BC Late period ~670 BC Formation of a new Ku****e kingdom at Meroë 332 BC Invasion of Egypt by Alexander the Great 332 BC-395 AD Hellenistic-Roman Period 332-31 BC Ptolemaic Egypt 285-246 BC Reign of Ptolemy II Philadelphus, who commissioned the Greek translation of the Hebrew Torah, the Septuagint ~170 BC Aristobolus, the first Jewish Greek philosopher, presents an explanation of Mosaic scripture to Ptolemy VI Philometor 51-30 BC Reign of Cleopatra VII, last of the Ptolemaic monarchs of Egypt 31 BC Battle of Actium; Cleopatra VII and Mark Antony defeated by Augustus Caesar 30 BC-395 AD Conquest of Egypt by Augustus Caesar; Roman period 66 AD Jewish riots against Rome in Egypt 395 AD Roman Empire divided into two empires; Egypt controlled by Byzantium 395-641 AD Byzantine period; Egyptian hieroglyphic writing falls out of use and soon becomes unintelligible 641 AD Conquest of Egypt by the Muslim Arabs; Egypt becomes Islamic 1822 AD Jean François Champollion deciphers the system of Egyptian hieroglyphic writing from the Rosetta Stone |
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Hey build ur Ark!!! The day is gonna come!!!
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it already came sweets......now they will only wish it was as quick as the flood. |
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I already built my ark!!! When the day comes ull be beggin to come in or wished that u built urs!!!! LOL
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I will just grab your cutieful self on the way up...lol |
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Edited by
SharpShooter10
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Tue 08/26/08 07:41 AM
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The bible doesn't say the flood was worldwide
There would have been no reason to build an ark to save the animal kingdom if it was just a local flood. So the very idea that the animal kingdom was being saved is an automatic claim that it was a worldwide flood. I have often argued that the flood fable was indeed sparked by a local flood, and not a global flood. What most likely happened is that some major flood took place. A survivor wrote about the the story (or talked about it). Actually in those days it was mostly like just word of mouth, I seriously doubt that people were writing novels in those days. What happened is that people started claiming that it was indeed a worldwide flood. So then people asked how anyone was able to survive it. Thus the story about Noah and a boat. Then skeptics started probing further asking how the animals survived if the whole world was flooded. The boat then grew to become an Ark that could support the animal kingdom. I imagine the story contined to be refined over many generations before it was finally recorded in written form we have come to know and love.
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Edited by
SharpShooter10
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Tue 08/26/08 07:47 AM
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My understanding sharp was that you were trying to assert that the biblical flood of Noah was indeed worldwide. Many Christians have come to that conclusion. If you do not believe this to be the case, fine. I wouldn't either based on the Egyptians alone.
5000 BC Earliest evidence of settled human habitation in the Nile delta 3800 BC The beginnings of Nile culture 3100-2650 BC Archaic Period 3100 BC Earliest evidence of hieroglyphic writingin Egypt 3100 BC The legendary king, Menes, unites the two kingdoms of Egypt 3000 BC Earliest evidence of sun-worship in Egypt 2700-1640 BC Pyramid-building period; largest pyramids built for Cheops, Chephren, and Mycerinus 2550-2490 BC Building of the pyramid tombs for Khufu (Cheops) and Khephren (Chephren), the largest of the Egyptian pyramids 2650-2134 BC Old Kingdom; beginning of the Third Dynasty ~2630 BC Netcherike-Djoser, pharoah who built the the "Step" pyramid 2134-2040 BC Collapse of the Sixth Dynasty and the Old Kingdom; beginning of the First Intermediate Period 2040-1640 BC Middle Kingdom 1700 BC Earliest evidence of diagnostic medicine in Egypt 1640-1550 BC Collapse of the Middle Kingdom (1640 BC; beginning of the Second Intermediate Period 1550-1070 BC New Kingdom; temple-building period in Egypt; the Temple of Karnak built and added to all through the New Kingdom period ~1500 BC Earliest examples of the Book of the Dead 1380 BC Building of the Temple of Luxor by Amenhotep III 1367-1350 BC Reign of Amenhotep IV (Akhenaton), who abandoned Egyptian polytheism for a monotheistic religion 1347-1339 BC Reign of Tutankhamon 1182-1151 BC Reign of Ramses III; supposed period of Hebrew migration out of Egypt to Palestine 1070-712 BC Collapse of New Kingdom (1070 BC; Third Intermediate Period 750 BC Conquest of Egypt by Kush under Kashta and then Piankhy 712-332 BC Late period ~670 BC Formation of a new Ku****e kingdom at Meroë 332 BC Invasion of Egypt by Alexander the Great 332 BC-395 AD Hellenistic-Roman Period 332-31 BC Ptolemaic Egypt 285-246 BC Reign of Ptolemy II Philadelphus, who commissioned the Greek translation of the Hebrew Torah, the Septuagint ~170 BC Aristobolus, the first Jewish Greek philosopher, presents an explanation of Mosaic scripture to Ptolemy VI Philometor 51-30 BC Reign of Cleopatra VII, last of the Ptolemaic monarchs of Egypt 31 BC Battle of Actium; Cleopatra VII and Mark Antony defeated by Augustus Caesar 30 BC-395 AD Conquest of Egypt by Augustus Caesar; Roman period 66 AD Jewish riots against Rome in Egypt 395 AD Roman Empire divided into two empires; Egypt controlled by Byzantium 395-641 AD Byzantine period; Egyptian hieroglyphic writing falls out of use and soon becomes unintelligible 641 AD Conquest of Egypt by the Muslim Arabs; Egypt becomes Islamic 1822 AD Jean François Champollion deciphers the system of Egyptian hieroglyphic writing from the Rosetta Stone |
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Are you serious? pttttfft!
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Don' care about the Egyptians tho, they are an old culture that has been and will remain around while always being just a base nation, never amounting to any real power or greatness I would so love you to say that where I live ... They would rip you apart.
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Are you serious? pttttfft! |
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Don' care about the Egyptians tho, they are an old culture that has been and will remain around while always being just a base nation, never amounting to any real power or greatness I would so love you to say that where I live ... They would rip you apart.
for real, not these silly debates we all have
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Don' care about the Egyptians tho, they are an old culture that has been and will remain around while always being just a base nation, never amounting to any real power or greatness I would so love you to say that where I live ... They would rip you apart.
for real, not these silly debates we all have
Your machismo stands about as high as you would if you spoke with such disrespect to my neighbours. You are blind to the world around you. You only see what you are programmed to. |
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Don' care about the Egyptians tho, they are an old culture that has been and will remain around while always being just a base nation, never amounting to any real power or greatness I would so love you to say that where I live ... They would rip you apart.
for real, not these silly debates we all have
Your machismo stands about as high as you would if you spoke with such disrespect to my neighbours. You are blind to the world around you. You only see what you are programmed to. 
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Your machismo stands about as high as you would if you spoke with such disrespect to my neighbours
^^^^^ Here Its referred to as "A set of Balls" and they hang low. 
see how silly this all gets, good for chits n giggles, thats about it |
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