Spider... I would like to say that tho I rarely ever agree with you I do enjoy your posts and debating with you. You are one of the few well spoken and intelligent debaters in the religion threads. Alot of times you see people just blabbering on about non sense and getting all pissed

I think you misunderstood my post.

In the 20th century, over 100 million people were killed by communism. These were deaths by Democide, which means they were killed by their own governments. They were killed in the name of "progress". For instance: A dam in China was allowed to collapse and kill the people in the valley, because the Communist government felt they were too much of a financial burden on the state. I didn't say that the religious wars were in the name of progress, sorry if I wasn't clear.

The crusades killed somewhere between 1 and 5 million, which is terrible and shouldn't be trivialized. But when compared to the numbers of people killed by Democide or in WWI/WWII, the numbers are dwarfed.

religion has strong ties to people's idea of progress. Weren't the Jews killed in WWII simply because they were Jews?

honestly i think the world would be a much better place if all organized religion went to the crapper.
most of the wars, though religiously overtoned had a lot of undertones as well. racism, the need for control.
religion was created to give guidelines for maorality.
i personally believe that by saying i dont believe in going to heaven or hell, but in living my life in away thats not going to harm myself or others i have become a better person.

religon was a attempt at guiding people when they werent as evolved, werent as sure of themselves. i think now we need to move past it and follow according to what we feel is socially right or worng.

so we're going back to the dinosaurs then?

Hitler's WWII agenda was based on many things, Darwinism included. You might as well chalk WWII up to science as religion. Hitler and his followers were devoted to the idea of evolution, they believed that Darwin was right in calling blacks "anthropomorphic apes" and they conducted experiments to try to breed black women with apes. I always see the religious components of Hitler's ideology discussed, but people are rarely willing to discuss his obsession with Darwinism and genetic purity as a cause of WWII.

are people not being killed in Isreal right now because of religious clashes? and fights over who's holy land it is...

All I am saying is that millions upon millions of people have been and will be killed over religion. Whether or not that is the complete reason is up for debate, however there are strong religious ties to a good portion of it.

Well...I think it is more likely that we "think" we have people figure out....than any actuality that we do. It's really more arrogance for anyone to feel that he/she sits so far above everyone else that he/she can accurately proclaim what box each person fits into. Especially when the proclaimer doesn't know the person(s).

Hey!! Who wants pie??

yes but ur losing the point. thats wrong. everyone is in agreement that that is wrong. the point is that religon, while it has its good points was created so that people could have a better understanding of themselves as well as begining to understand the difference between right and wrong.
in a lot of religions we are still living in the age of the dinosaurs because no one is willing to compromise and or admit theyare wrong.
yes, people kill people under the guise of religion. but if you dig under the surface it isnt really religion at all. its oil, its control, its power and money and psychopaths.

i want pie!

and gypsies were killed because they were gypsies and homoexuals because they were gay, as well as twins being eperimented on to test the bonds between them.

Big or little slice?

big! all this typig is sappig my energy!...wait what kind?

I got banana cream, pecan and apple.

oh and, the jews arent just considered a different religion they are considered a race of people as well.
so the jews werent just killed because of their religious views but because they were a different race and hitler was trying to purify the germans.

pecan please!yum!

Banana cream please. And pecan... You better just give me a slice of all three.

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