Yes. Start explaining. Waiting for it....waiting for it......

I didn't say they whine all the time. I said I don't want the ones who do whine all the time and complain about how nice guys finish last.

I'm thinking that you, and some women out there, just don't get that nice guys will WHINE about this. Why? Goes back to the mixed messages some women give off. Saying they want this, but always go for the opposite. That pisses nice guys off and causes them to....well...whine. I think they have a good excuse to do so.

Like I said, I don't want someone who is going to whine about finishing last all the time. Perhaps those who complain about it all the time need to think about why they're really finishing last, as they say they are.

Ok, lets get real here! Most people don't even know what they want or even where there going in life. So how can anyone really expect to understand some people when they don't even know whats going on themselves.

Ok, ill use me as an example. Yeah i have kinda the bad boy look and so some women ussume that my personality is the way i look. The thing is, i'm not what i look like. I used to be in the past and realized. It never got me anyware but trouble. Alot of people know me on here and from what they know of me. Is i'm a kind, gentle, loving man. Most women that email ill have to say because were on a datting site Right off the bat, they think because there flirting with me, that i'm just going to jump at it. The thing is. I don't and it throws them off. The bad bot image has got a bad rap. I look at it as a man knowing what he wants and knows how to get it. Today so call bad boy image is guys being dumb asses and thinking there gods gift to women.

You're killing me here. I mean, seriously, I can see if you meet a guy and on the first date he whines about how nice guys get the shaft. That, I can see. But, what I am saying is that..well...follow me here.

You meet a guy on here, talk to him for a while, and then decide that you want to meet him. Now, he is under the impression that you really want to find a nice guy who will treat you right, since you say that in your profile. And, going by the talks you two have, he is really into you, and you into him. So, you meet, and things go good, but you get this vibe that he might not have some "bad boyish" traits in him (which you also want, but don't say). You then decide to tell him that you two are better off as friends. Now, considering how things went, can't you see where guys like him would whine? Or be pissed at women cause he feels they are sending mixed messages?

Anyways, girls what the mix...the balance. I got it. To my fellow geeks and dorks....spike you hair, start a fight club, but still cuddle at night time.

My kinda man, right there!

I'm not looking for the "bad boyish" traits in everyone. If I meet someone who is nice, that I actually like... that's cool.

I second that.

I agree 100%