Stop it!!!

Communism has won. In USA :)
Really, i used to say "I did not migrate to USA, i just returned to USSR". Massachusetts is very-very like of the south of Soviet Union.

This the reason why i "more catholic then Pop".



My opinion (i used to think about my self as having a good sound of Marxist theory) is what Soviet Union has a strong state-capitalism system. Which had a very few of "real" Communism features.

The key is "public property". Corporations is mach better implementation of this concept than state-ruled economic.

Now we're ready for nuclear war!!

Turtle power!!!

So they leaned a bit toward socialism side of communism? It is interesting that you equate that to our political system on the east coast. Liberalism is very close to the socialism of the former USSR? Thanks for your insight Sergey!

I know what American liberalism is different from European and Russian meaning of this word. But i'm not sure i understand it is quite clear.

So be prepared there could be a lot of confusion.

From my minor knowledge of the subject Russian and European liberals are equivalent of American neocons. And American liberals indeed much close to Europian socialist.

The key difference between socialists (liberals) and communist is they way how public property can be established. Communists insist what the only way is a revolt driven by workers against capitalists, but socialists believe there would be a peaceful way. History shown the seconds are right.

Communists believe what after revolution workers will get state power and property of farms. So public property is to be established.

Socialists achieve the same aim (public property) with different way: democracy and corporations.

So there are similar and different.



You have to keep in mind i'm not a very typical Russian. I stuck in Soviet past, left Russia and from russian point of view i'm a betrayer and so on.

If you want to get a broad point of view i advise to spent some time to register on this forum: http://forum.moemnenie.info/ and use the branch: http://forum.moemnenie.info/forumdisplay.php?f=61 it is dedicated for english-speaking participants. Though there's no much activity there.

But you can see very-very different points of view there: from nazi to communist. From soccer fans to home-lovers.

Sergy,
Your opinion is still rather clouded with Communist indoctrination if you ask me.

Perhaps you need to look a little deeper at what the Russia gov explains as their version of events with a little more realistic information.
Form an opinion based on the reality of events rather than what the Russian Gov releases to western media!

My guess is that he can pick up the phone and call family to say "hey, what is going on", thereby understanding fact as opposed to formulating an opinion as we are left to do without facts as the factuality of the media is questionable at best. I understand that being born Russian, speaking Russian, having been raised in Russia, serving in the Russian military,etc., etc., etc., would clearly negate anything he would have to say as not being nearly as informed as you but maybe, just maybe he might know something that you don't.

Zap? I'm baaaaaaaack!

1) Why do you think your opinion is clear? Every propaganda is lying, but Russians lived with three kind of them: communists, libertarian and patriotic, so we had to learn to do not believe anybody.

Believe me: American history and current political issues is very primitive and un-honesty. You get your information from the people who get money from American government and say exactly what American government want to see.

Your heads are full with the **** from all that Bukovski, Politkovskaya, Saharov, Bonner and moreover you are served by Polish looser Bzeghinski.

2) It might surprise you, but current Russian propaganda is more anti-communist then any other in the world.

No. Russia is big country and all that stuff is too far from anybody i can contact. It is like a civil war say... in Salvador from American point of view. And it is all so unpredictable. A few days ago Saakashvili said he did not want any war escalation... and that night become a shock for everybody.

I just described a few facts around the situation.

Might be it was an Ossetian provocation to cause Georgians to start fire. But anyway. The capital of South of Ossetia and villages around it were bombed by Georgian army. Many civilian are killed. This the only fact what can be proven.

1)Because the government here does not control all forms of media. Therefore I am able to view many different opinons to form a more informed and accurate opinion than you in Russia.
Listening to what you say in your comments, the fact that Russians dont is very evident!

2)- Ridiculous!!!

Take the current conflict in Georgia. Let me ask you a question.
Is S Ossetia a state within the borders of Georgia or not?

I know the answer, but it would be interesting to know how you can justify Russias involvment!

LMAO,
You really need to keep up with current affairs and look at a map every now and then Zap.

As far as him calling home?
Russia is a very large country and Georgia is not part of their country.
To imagine that they are getting factual information from the highly controlled media inside Russia is a huge leap. It was only recently that the Russia gov was accused of assassinating journalist who printed bad articles about them! (look it up)
Russia does not allow their media to be very critical against their gov policies. I dont care how free they think they are the evidence is quite contrary to their thoughts.

So, with that said, unless they live in Georgia. The Russians know less about whats happening in Georgia than any person in a western country knows!
At least we get both sides of the story. I can read what Russia says, the UN, the Pentagon, former Ambassadors, and what Georgia says! They can only read what their gov allows to be printed, and sergy still thinks Russia was justified in invading Afghanistan!

Don't believe me? Ask him??
It will sound like your listening to the official Soviet excuse heard by the world in 1979! He still believes it to be the truth!!

Russia's best known investigative journalist was murdered two days before she was due to publish a scathing report on torture by Russian agents in Chechnya, it emerged yesterday, as outrage spread around the world.


As messages poured in for Anna Politkovskaya, who became famous for her withering criticism of President Vladimir Putin's war in Chechnya, Russian activists struggled to assess the disturbing implications of her killing for the future of their country.

The US State Department said it was "shocked and profoundly saddened" by what appeared to be at least the 13th contract killing of a journalist since Mr Putin took power in 2000. European governments expressed similar sentiments.

But from the Kremlin there was silence. Not even speculation on websites that Politkovskaya's death was a birthday present for Mr Putin, who was 54 on Saturday, the day she was killed, could provoke a government reaction.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1530999/Is-this-the-killer-of-Russian-journalist.html

I'll show you more if you need to see them!

The words scrawled across the giant photograph of Politkovskaya in Pushkin Square, Moscow, said it all: "The Kremlin has killed freedom of speech."

A portrait of Mr Putin bore the words: "You are responsible for everything."



Even the Russians know it!!!

Politkovskaya made many powerful enemies in the FSB, the spy agency that succeeded the KGB, over scores of trips to Chechnya that exposed Russian brutality in the province and detailed the horrific conditions of ordinary Russian soldiers there.

She received many threats and survived an alleged attempt to poison her tea on a flight in 2004.

Her son regularly checked her car for bombs and she knew death was a possibility. "If it happens, it happens," she told The Daily Telegraph this summer. Last December, she told a conference on press freedom: "People sometimes pay with their lives for saying out loud what they think."


Few are confident a police investigation will uncover the truth. No other journalist's murder in the past six years has been solved.

But the killing of so famous a figure, two weeks after the murder of the reforming deputy head of the central bank, Andrei Kozlov, has convinced some that hard-liners in the Kremlin have begun to act with impunity as 2008 presidential elections draw closer.

"Those who killed her were absolutely convinced that it is now possible in Russia to do such things openly, without even bothering to camouflage it as an accident," said a former dissident, Sergey Grigoryants.

Another of the six, and then making my point, I will rest my case!



15-10-2003 ()

Alexei Sidorov
© Gazeta.ru UNESCO Director-General Koïchiro Matsuura today condemned the assassination of journalist Alexei Sidorov, editor in chief of the independent newspaper Togliattinskoe Obozrenie (“Togliatti Review”), in the Volga region of central Russia on October 9.
“The murder of Alexei Sidorov marks yet another attack on democracy and transparency in Russia and must be condemned as such,” said Mr Matsuura. “It is alarming to note that Mr Sidorov’s predecessor, Valery Ivanov, the founder of the Togliatti Review, was also murdered and that both journalists died in the line of duty.”

http://portal.unesco.org/ci/en/ev.php-URL_ID=13208&URL_DO=DO_TOPIC&URL_SECTION=201.html

Now tell us how free and informed Russia is sergy!

It is a myth. Might be in early times it was a truth. But now looks like all of them are ... say... Jewsh-driven (yes, i have seen Borat and remember what Russian are anti-Semitic).

Let's see a last action against China: they all started and finished to woe about Tibet at one time all around the World like they were commanded to.

Let's see how they describe Serbia/Kosovo and Georgia/Ossetia. There's a bad humor in judgment Serbian leader Karaghich for he bombed separatists in Saraevo as war crime, and what tr very same media say about Saakashvili which is bombing separatists in Tshinvalli.
(sorry my bad english: it's not easy to learn foreign language near my forty)



Unfortunately they are very same. And i repeat they are getting their info from very same and very bad sources.

In Russia people give up to believe media at all. They uses rumors, internet, forums. Media is used no more than to provide pictures.



Hm. What fact you can argue with? Note: i tryed to avoid any conclusions. I have no enough information to make them - just provided some facts whcih was hided (why?) by western media.

2)- Ridiculous!!!



Well. I promise i'll answer you, but before, please answer me: Was Kosovo not a state within a borders of Serbia or not?

This is an excellent sample of how your "free" media influence you. The made you think about the very same situation in a very different way. Aren't you scared by this? Doesn't it reassembles "The Ministry of Truth"?

And this is not the worst. The worst is what people around of world see it and start to afraid US. Russian, Chinese, many Europeans used to think about Americans as morons which believe in anything what their Jewish say to them. So, while America is strong and its economic has power all of these evil-wishers are silent and hidden, but in case of any troubles America will be thrown apart as an ill lion by jackals.

OK, This says it all!!

The apparent assassination on Saturday of Politkovskaya, Russia's top investigative journalist and a fierce critic of Russian President Vladimir Putin, was also cast as further evidence of the grim state of media freedom in today's Russia.

I rest my case!!!

I have to admit you are not very informed too. Georgia is a very poor country so, most of Georgians live all around Russia and a very few of them in Georgia.

These call-to-mother-news-agency is a power information source indeed. The problem is communication lines is damaged right now and there's a no so many news from relatives and friends. Even media have no good contacts with their correspondents right now.

I repeat: nobody knows exactly anything but Ossetian city and villages were bombed over night.

Sergy, sergy, sergy,

Bush Misled America about the Threat from Iraq
See also this analysis of the fraud by retired federal prosecutor Elizabeth de la Vega.

http://www.impeachbush.tv/args/iraqlies.html

I can find you a million or two stories just like this and I'll bet you every one of the journalist are still alive.

There is a huge difference in whats available here than what is available in Russia.
The results for reporting them are quite different, and what is meant here, by media controlled information is not what it means in Russia!
Our Journalists are bought out, not snubbed out!!