I thought the whole purpose or idea behind karma was fairness.

Lets say you wind up hurting someone even though that was never your intention. Do you get bad karma for it? If you do get bad karma, is it fair for karma to work that way?

I know life isn't fair and life can be a *****. I have a sneaking suspicion this is how those phrases because so popular. So what's your take on non-intentional karma?

it comes back at you if you do a wrong in life.sometimes it takes years .but when it hits you it is ten fold

My guess is... If you do it to someone accidently... Then eventually, someone might do it accidentally to you... Does that make sense?

Karma is a funny thing........unfortunately.

When you least expect it.

Karma gets you. There is a price to everything.

Spiritual cause and effect... intent doesn't matter, that's the realm of Dharma.

You discipline a child harshly to teach them an important message. Your Dharma's in the right place, but the Karma effect is that you may have hurt the child and damaged your relationship with them until they value the lesson.

I see your points. Interesting. There is a see saw effect there too.

It makes one not want to do anything for someone else so you can always maintain a neutral state. What if you can help someone but you don't? Bad karma? No karma?

I'm not sure how karma works, but I do know that you can help people out with the very best of intentions and get screwed over royally. In fact, that always seems to happen more often than not for me personally.

If karma is in play within this life I haven't seen any evidence to support it. At least not in my own personal life. And certainly not within social contexts.

There may be evidence of it in other situations. Like if you get angry whilst working on a car you are more likely to scrape your knuckles than if you remain cool and confident.

But other than that direct kind of obvious thing, I haven't seen karma in action. Definitely not in social interactions. No matter how nice I am to people they still seem to always turn out to be jerks.

Karma for me is just to keep on doing the next right thing. There is like this little small voice like Jiminy Cricket that acts like a conscience and lets me know I have choice sometimes. If I make the right choice everything comes around pretty much okay but if I don't then I might to deal with that type of situation, again. Which makes me wonder that in a small way that reincarnation might make sense but I don't have to die to experience it. At other times I just trudge the road to happy destiny blind as a bat and find out later if a certain choice might have been right or wrong. Life, you just have to live it to really experience it.

To me Karma is the golden rule sewn into the fabric of our society. At some point if you stitch enough good knots, you can rely on the fabric you have woven to support you when you cannot support yourself.

If you are destructive, then there is nothing there for you when you need it.

Without regard for how it will effect you know that good things are always good. Just don't mistake what is good for you as what is good for someone else.

Not exactly. It is simply an matter of course. Your passions rule you, the uncontrollable desires and urges you feel that cause you to act. You can struggle to control them and always act against them, but that is counter-productive and causes bad karma of its own.

Imagine a world where nothing was done, natural events simply occurred and we all suffered from the outcome... that is like the life of a mere animal, but somehow even less. An animal reacts solely on their passions.

The passions are traditionally considered base (not bad or evil as in the western religions) and close too the animal part of our nature. They interact with our intents, desires, and goals (one of which is Dharma or duty/moral imperatives) to produce our behavior and the interaction we have with the world. This interaction is the Karma, and neither good, nor bad, but relative to your needs.

Too not act produces just as much Karma as to take action. Only in a dead universe does no Karma exist.

Your understanding of Karma as a system of fairness is a bit off base, because it assumes an inherently righteous or malevolent motive behind all events, which is simply not the case, nor within the scope of the concept.

Nothing on karma but to me if you get some thing back done to you to me its probably just correction. We arent perfect just need help(and prayer)to remind us in this way which involves pain to remember those you hurt or hurt you and to get better at loving. I know from experiences that this is very hard to practice but, the purpose is to learn from it correct it and move on. Dont make it to sore to get over it wont help you at all. That is being fair to your self. You come out a more different person. (Stronger and more caring toward hurt and because you know how it feels)that is if you are a fair person and dont take action on revenge.(which in mind is keeping your good karma so it dont return back again to you.) There is always a positive and a negitaive action. Like Einstein said in every action there is a reaction a positive and a negative. MaybeHer (this is just my theory you dont have to agree its just what I believe)

Yes and its a good way to think. You are just understanding it happens which it does. MaybeHer

Yep.

Yep.

If you hurt someone... on accident let's say.... it was probably because you were careless.

Being careless means that you did not care... to watch out for others.

Your karma comes to you so that you will hopefully learn to be more careful where others are concerned. It will continue to come back to you until you learn this.

What may happen to you is that someone hurts you.. but they did not intend to do it. They were just careless. You might get angry at them for being so careless. But then, so were you at one time.

Have you learned to be careful yet, not to hurt people unintentionally? If not, you will continue to do it and it will continue to happen to you ... until you do learn.

JB

I agree. Just because you don't have a bad intention doesn't mean that you don't need to learn a lesson.

If a child does wrong unintentionally the parent must still correct them. Accidentally stepping on their little brother, forgetting to feed their pet, leaving toys on the stairs where they trip another... there is no evil intent but the action may still be damaging.

So Karma must come back for the careless action that resulted in accidental harm. However, if there was a bad result that was absolutely beyond ones control then I don't believe that a Karmic lesson or correction will be needed to balance out the harm.

E.g. You maintain your car properly and are a careful driver yet through a fluke your brakes fail and you hit another car. I don't believe this kind of accidental harm will result in negative karmic repercussions.

I rarely think things are black and white. There are almost always grey areas and exceptions to all rules.

Peace and joy.

Oh Hun, your ok! If you didn't deliberatly hurt a person your safe from karma coming back around. So don't worry! Everything will be ok. Glad to see someone else believes in Karma. What goes around comes around. This is true!
Peace

If that were the case, and I don't believe it is, then everyone would be whining and crying "It wasn't my fault! I didn't mean it! It was an accident! It was not intentional!..

blah blah blah.

Karma does not reason. It does not listen to excuses. It is an automatic law of cause and effect.

The only way to escape the karma is to learn the lesson completely upon causing the harm. This is seldom the case.

JB