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Why did god create a whole world, a whole environment in which human was to 'lord' over and then put a TREE in it garded by angels that man could not touch? Sounds like it's either a contradiction or a test. But why would god create such a test? Why would god create such a tree? It was a test of their love for God.....and they failed miserably. Because like with Noah for an example...he listen to God to every last detail of what God expected from him....He listened... The same for Adam and Eve....and again it comes down to freewill....and in this case was the first Downfall of Man in God's eyes......Just think of how sad God was. Of couse speaking of Angels, wouldn't that be considered another species? Yes, perhaps from another worldly dimension, but another species anyway. So why would this planet be the only one to be worthy of any godly creations? And if that is erroneous, then why was man the only creation in need of saving? Angels are God's...I guess you could look at angels as a species.....They are all in heaven with God...even now. With the exception of satan who was God's right hand angel and who thought he was better then God....big mistake. And we know from the Bible if God would of created other life on other planets it would say so. So then who would that lead you to believe that they are the work of? So many questions, but so difficult to get to them all. Here's a suggestion. Since Quicksteper and Feral seem to have a direct line to god, maybe we pose our questions to them and have them, both, ask god for a reply and see how he responds to both of them. To make it fair we should have a blind, someone who believes in god but who has never heard god speak to him/her. The three could ask the question we pose of god and then come back and each of them tell us what god said. Of course we would have to ask god to abide by certain rules, specifically we must ask that god not reference the bible in any way, but rather speak his own words. Everything I write is lead of God....sweets.....so that has been happening all along.....lol There now! Finally a chance for those who speak to god to get some answers to REAL questions, and not just the one they think he should answer. What do you all think? Again all answered.....but then the question is......Is it ever enough.......no....because redy you are the perfect example of wanting thigs to fit because of how you are personally and sweets it just doesn't and never will work that way. But hey if thats what you want to believe who am I to stop ya. |
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The Pagans have kind of a different take on that whole "tree of knowledge incident". Their feeling is that story was very deliberately put in there to discredit woman and a much older faith. It does kind of make sense in a way. It was Eve that took fruit from the tree and tempted Adam with the knowledge. It would have been Eve naturally because she would have had no fear of the garden as it had always been her place prior to god being on the scene and being intimidating and scaring folks. The tale of the "serpent speaking to Eve" would have also been an attempt at discrediting the older earth based religion as the snake had been known as a symbol of the Goddess in many cultures. Pre-dynastic Egyptian queens were found mummified with snakes wrapped around their necks. So the best way to disvalue something is to associate it with evil or the devil. There ya go. Snakes are bad and so is Eve. I don’t know how true that is but an interesting take on it for certain. So far off......not even responding read it people...take a class understand it....before you put this blah blah blah. Feral, the scripture is for everyone. You can analyze it to death and interpret it to mean just about anything. Everyone has a right to their own interpretation of it. It is for everybody, not just for Christianity. There are other religions who use the Bible. Why do you insist that only you have it right? JB Read the bible with an open mind and you can see the parables. It was never a book meant to be taken literally. It is stories with possible lessons to learn in them. If you do not go to the bible believing it is the "word of god" then you can get it's true meaning. |
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abra Oh please abra.....you know it's true....when I speak truth you guys just conveniently ignore it......how apra-po Ok abra.......Christians preach against homosexuality because in God's eyes it is wrong....If God intended for man to sleep with man and woman with woman....then he would of made adam and steve......and for me I have many homosexual friends......I love thee person....just not the sin....and every single one knows where I stand. And just because homosexuals want to justify it by saying that God loves me no matter what.....it will not change that it is wrong. <Warning JB's alien agenda opinion here> The only reason you say it is "wrong" is because you found some passage in the Bible suggesting this. It is not written in the commandments is it? The only reason I could think of that the creator alien god frowned upon homosexuality is because the act of sex between same sex humans failed to breed more slaves for his empire. </end of JB's alien agenda opinion.> 
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copy and pastes from elsewhere, not genuinely brought a bout by original inquisitiveness.
ducking and excusing are lustful torments entertained by deceived hearts. those that seek for themselves the truth will not sloppily and lazily assume upon themselves the arbitrary hate and discontent of those that only find place in the infpo world of the internet as though truth and fact were contained in all noise. Once is innocent enough. but ad infinitum copying and pasting serves to insult the sincere by those that perpetrate such things. I see no respect for others found in sy=uch things, and I do not see such deceitful mani[pulations ending. Insulting as it is and tasteless as it is, such are wandering hearts grasping at straws and never settling down to root in truth. Whosoever will, let such come to the Lord Jesus Christ for rest. Sadly, this is precisely why a christian heart bleeds for the lost. Darkness is so dark and so offensive that the offenses are ignorablyabsent to the heart and mind of those which offend the dignity of others with such cloaking of intent. Engenderin strife and contentions are evil at work in the world and discxernable to a soft heart that feels, but to the closed and hardened heart, there is not the slightest care for the feelings shared by the soft hearts that must so bear the pain of others, unwillingly calloused by the hardened ones and their bleatings. Wearing the burdens of others is Christ in us. Wearing the epithets of Christ in us is also a burden. I can do all things through Christ Jesus who strengthens me. This is a light switch being offered. employ it or not. learn, grow and be at peace. 
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tribo......the text say that "when mary approached elizabeth she was filled with the holy ghost" ok.....the perception of this text could be taken many ways, not just ONE...... it is a fact she is filled, and mary is approching her......this in no way is to say that mary approaching was the act that filled her, and this in no way says she was not already filled, nor does it say that all others are not filled as well, and even lends more to god being JUST AND FAIR, so who then can be given unto UNEQUALLY? this also does not say that there are not two spirits as mentioned all thru text...... it does not matter at all as for doctrine sake, but when something is worshipped as the voice of god, as a holy spirit is so professed to be, and this be already active, since childbirth in all, then this certainally would tend to persuade one was lacking, insteatd of showing how god is already within, and if it was said the kingdom of heaven was within, then how can it be that good as god come from the outside somewhere, as to be filled can easily mean it was from within, and grew, along side another spirit, the sprit of god alike, both growing up together, so both coming to a fullness, and when the two have become completed, creating all wisdom within any one being, the spirit of god gobble up the holy spirit and it be disolved, not seeing any more one man as holy and another as not holy......... did not moses staff turn to a snake, and EAT the snake of the pharoahs men, moses representing god and pharoah satan, but indeed it was said that god hardend pharoahs heart, so it was god that made pharoah say NO.........then how is pharoah to blame, as who can resist the will of god as it was spoken? did not god tell peter to kill and eat, and not to see as holy and unholy any longer, as was not it custom to not eat such things previously? how could god tell to do different now? is he changing his mind, or is god just the truth in each, answering back the half-truth of all the mind say as a holy spirit, as the law, and it was written in text as two sides of a coin, as the tail side the serpent, and the head side as god.........so when peter heard and wrote, he was simply stating first what his MIND told him, a holy spirit, and then what his HEART told him, the spirit of god......... ideas, ideas, ideas, lol......... It say what it means and means what it says.... |
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The Pagans have kind of a different take on that whole "tree of knowledge incident". Their feeling is that story was very deliberately put in there to discredit woman and a much older faith. It does kind of make sense in a way. It was Eve that took fruit from the tree and tempted Adam with the knowledge. It would have been Eve naturally because she would have had no fear of the garden as it had always been her place prior to god being on the scene and being intimidating and scaring folks. The tale of the "serpent speaking to Eve" would have also been an attempt at discrediting the older earth based religion as the snake had been known as a symbol of the Goddess in many cultures. Pre-dynastic Egyptian queens were found mummified with snakes wrapped around their necks. So the best way to disvalue something is to associate it with evil or the devil. There ya go. Snakes are bad and so is Eve. I don’t know how true that is but an interesting take on it for certain. So far off......not even responding read it people...take a class understand it....before you put this blah blah blah. Feral, the scripture is for everyone. You can analyze it to death and interpret it to mean just about anything. Everyone has a right to their own interpretation of it. It is for everybody, not just for Christianity. There are other religions who use the Bible. Why do you insist that only you have it right? JB Read the bible with an open mind and you can see the parables. It was never a book meant to be taken literally. It is stories with possible lessons to learn in them. If you do not go to the bible believing it is the "word of god" then you can get it's true meaning. I do read it with an open mind. I not only see parables and myths, I see agendas. JB |
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Oh and Eljay, it’s an "isolated incident"? Come on now. What about your famous "virgin Mary" Why would it be so important for Mary to be considered a "virgin"? Because it implies that god had some kind of role in knocking her up. It would have been yucky and "unholy" for her to become pregnant in the traditional manner. My guess is it wasn't Joseph. It was another man who impregnated her and it may have been rape. Joseph probably knew what would happen if this got out and became common knowledge. A stoning more than likely. So the two of them concocted this story to spare Mary's life and get out of dodge before those crazy villagers got wind of it. It was considered "important" for Mary to be a virgin because it was prophised she would be thousands of years previous to this. It was stated first that the saviour would be born to a virgin. It is one of the 3,000+ fullfilled prophecies of the Old Testiment which told of the coming of Jesus. But seriously - is this something that you are unfamiliar with? Just not buying it. At least not from a logical perspective. Tell me with a straight face that Mary was a "virgin". By definition of virgin, let’s just say a person who has not been intimate with one of the opposite sex. Do you think this was actually the case? Not to mention, why would it be “bad” or “unholy” if a man had actually impregnated Mary? Isn’t that the way it’s normally done? You have had sex before correct? I don’t want to jump to conclusions here. Mary was a virgin. Your "not buying it" has no bearing on it's validity. Please don't confuse this with the "perpetuality of virginity" as described in Catholicism though - I don't buy into that. Mary had other children after Jesus - and that would have ended the "virginity" status at that point. I wouldn't say that you are jumping to conclusions - but I am curious as to how much you are limiting God. Do you think that the God of scripture - who fashioned Adam from the earth, and Eve from his rib - incapable of impregnating a virgin by mere thought? Mary was not a "virgin". She had to have sex with someone. I don’t know who it was but I don’t think it was Joseph however. My theory is she was sexually assaulted but she might have confessed this to Joseph because she was a young girl and she was frightened of what these villagers would do to her if they found out she had been raped. Stoning most likley in public. I am not confusing anything. She had sex and Jesus was the result. Jesus was a man. Jesus more than likely had descendants of his own also. I am not limiting god. I am simply stating that there is no way he got Mary pregnant telekinetically. So are you suggesting that god had sex with Mary? There are also no ribs forming human beings. That is just a fictitious account from the bible. Actually - you are limiting God. You are using the limited experience of your life, and the facts and knowledge you have gleened - through others - from the education system that you were exposed to - just like every one here has. You have determined for yourself that the God of Scriptures was incapable of forming Jesus in the womb of Mary - which by the way - is another biblical concept - without the help of a man having had sexual relations with her, consensual or otherwise. This show a serious lack of understanding the God of scripture. You would be better served to simply claim that Jesus didn't exist. For to claim that God was incapable of forming life in the womb of a virgin, but somehow create a human out of dust, as in the case of Adam, or out of a rib as in the case of Eve, is a demondstration of not comprehending the power of God. You are incorrect. I am simply questioning the bible as many of us are here on this thread. Of course I am limited to my educational background, life experience and any other research on the topic I may have done. Are you implying that you aren’t in some respect? I simply disagree with your views. I have brought forth my information to the table and you are free to debate any of us who disagree with you. Never once have I limited god. I told you I do not believe in a virgin birth, or humans being made from ribs. I do believe in Jesus. He was a man. I have stated this repeatedly. I’m not sure what you are misunderstanding at this point. I also feel that Mary had sexual intercourse with someone in order to become pregnant. Why would that be so awful anyway? Why would the "son of god" need to somehow be created through non traditional means? Tell me why that is evil or bad? Question away......but then if the answers are given......hmmmmmmmmmlisten instead of going on and on with your own agenda....and anger, and contempt......Those who case the first stone.....and best to take the log out of ones own eye. |
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copy and pastes from elsewhere, not genuinely brought a bout by original inquisitiveness. ducking and excusing are lustful torments entertained by deceived hearts. those that seek for themselves the truth will not sloppily and lazily assume upon themselves the arbitrary hate and discontent of those that only find place in the infpo world of the internet as though truth and fact were contained in all noise. Once is innocent enough. but ad infinitum copying and pasting serves to insult the sincere by those that perpetrate such things. I see no respect for others found in sy=uch things, and I do not see such deceitful mani[pulations ending. Insulting as it is and tasteless as it is, such are wandering hearts grasping at straws and never settling down to root in truth. Whosoever will, let such come to the Lord Jesus Christ for rest. Sadly, this is precisely why a christian heart bleeds for the lost. Darkness is so dark and so offensive that the offenses are ignorablyabsent to the heart and mind of those which offend the dignity of others with such cloaking of intent. Engenderin strife and contentions are evil at work in the world and discxernable to a soft heart that feels, but to the closed and hardened heart, there is not the slightest care for the feelings shared by the soft hearts that must so bear the pain of others, unwillingly calloused by the hardened ones and their bleatings. Wearing the burdens of others is Christ in us. Wearing the epithets of Christ in us is also a burden. I can do all things through Christ Jesus who strengthens me. This is a light switch being offered. employ it or not. learn, grow and be at peace.
Contrary to your belief wouldee, my heart bleeds for those stuck in the quagmire of the christian religion. I have found truth and light of such magnitude that I wish all to have it but mine came when I let go of the shackles of religion. The shackles are the judgments in religion, the fixation that they are right and everyone else is wrong, the dependency on others (preachers, teachers, and the book) for the guidance that is actually found within us all without outside "guidance", the superiority of believing because one is religious they are the moral majority, etc.... Once you let go of all of those shackles the freedom allows for some real deep soul searching and you will be surprised at what you find. It is very very good for the soul. So I bleed for those stuck in religion. |
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Feral wrote:
It say what it means and means what it says....
You use that phrase a lot Feral. Is that what your parents used to tell you? In the above case if you are talking about the Bible, your statement is irrational because the Bible is not a conscious being and cannot say what it means or mean what it says. It is a collection of books written by so-called inspired humans who plagiarized myths of old and left out all the details of the life of Jesus Christ. If you want details of the Life of Jesus try reading the Urantia Book. It was written by an other-worldly being and it will probably be the book that will replace the Bible if Christianity is to survive the next two hundred years. JB |
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The Pagans have kind of a different take on that whole "tree of knowledge incident". Their feeling is that story was very deliberately put in there to discredit woman and a much older faith. It does kind of make sense in a way. It was Eve that took fruit from the tree and tempted Adam with the knowledge. It would have been Eve naturally because she would have had no fear of the garden as it had always been her place prior to god being on the scene and being intimidating and scaring folks. The tale of the "serpent speaking to Eve" would have also been an attempt at discrediting the older earth based religion as the snake had been known as a symbol of the Goddess in many cultures. Pre-dynastic Egyptian queens were found mummified with snakes wrapped around their necks. So the best way to disvalue something is to associate it with evil or the devil. There ya go. Snakes are bad and so is Eve. I don’t know how true that is but an interesting take on it for certain. So far off......not even responding read it people...take a class understand it....before you put this blah blah blah. Feral, the scripture is for everyone. You can analyze it to death and interpret it to mean just about anything. Everyone has a right to their own interpretation of it. It is for everybody, not just for Christianity. There are other religions who use the Bible. Why do you insist that only you have it right? JB Read the bible with an open mind and you can see the parables. It was never a book meant to be taken literally. It is stories with possible lessons to learn in them. If you do not go to the bible believing it is the "word of god" then you can get it's true meaning. I do read it with an open mind. I not only see parables and myths, I see agendas. JB I too. The creating of the story to make women less holy than men is probably from the men of old fearing women. They were befuddled by the creation of life in women and their abilities to heal. This caused fear in them, fear of the loss of the power position, so they create a story of the women that makes her gullible, pliable to evils plan, this way men will always consider women evil at some level or capable of evil and they will never fully trust them. There is more stories of this calabre in the bible also. And in Greek mythology there are stories placing the evil with the woman ie Pandora's Box. |
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wouldee
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copy and pastes from elsewhere, not genuinely brought a bout by original inquisitiveness. ducking and excusing are lustful torments entertained by deceived hearts. those that seek for themselves the truth will not sloppily and lazily assume upon themselves the arbitrary hate and discontent of those that only find place in the infpo world of the internet as though truth and fact were contained in all noise. Once is innocent enough. but ad infinitum copying and pasting serves to insult the sincere by those that perpetrate such things. I see no respect for others found in sy=uch things, and I do not see such deceitful mani[pulations ending. Insulting as it is and tasteless as it is, such are wandering hearts grasping at straws and never settling down to root in truth. Whosoever will, let such come to the Lord Jesus Christ for rest. Sadly, this is precisely why a christian heart bleeds for the lost. Darkness is so dark and so offensive that the offenses are ignorablyabsent to the heart and mind of those which offend the dignity of others with such cloaking of intent. Engenderin strife and contentions are evil at work in the world and discxernable to a soft heart that feels, but to the closed and hardened heart, there is not the slightest care for the feelings shared by the soft hearts that must so bear the pain of others, unwillingly calloused by the hardened ones and their bleatings. Wearing the burdens of others is Christ in us. Wearing the epithets of Christ in us is also a burden. I can do all things through Christ Jesus who strengthens me. This is a light switch being offered. employ it or not. learn, grow and be at peace.
Contrary to your belief wouldee, my heart bleeds for those stuck in the quagmire of the christian religion. I have found truth and light of such magnitude that I wish all to have it but mine came when I let go of the shackles of religion. The shackles are the judgments in religion, the fixation that they are right and everyone else is wrong, the dependency on others (preachers, teachers, and the book) for the guidance that is actually found within us all without outside "guidance", the superiority of believing because one is religious they are the moral majority, etc.... Once you let go of all of those shackles the freedom allows for some real deep soul searching and you will be surprised at what you find. It is very very good for the soul. So I bleed for those stuck in religion. Hi there 
I am not slaying dragons this morning. I was commenting on the copy and pastes of brand that have been duplicating the same old disengenuous and arbitrary nature born of instilling riots. LOL all one language, all different languages. trees first, then man. Man first, then trees. and the like, ad infinitum. That garbage. Not genuine heartfelt dialoguing. Hope you don't mind. have a wonderful day. Hope all is well and that you are feeling well.  
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Jeanniebean
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First off God said what he meant and meant what he said......
There it is again. "said what he meant, meant what he said.." I bet you heard this a lot when you were a child. He said DO NOT eat from the Tree of Knowledge....then satan (snake) came by and said ahhhh cmon eve go ahead he has no say in what you do.....
<warning: JB's alien agenda opinion> Snakes don't talk and they don't walk upright and they never did. The creature in the garden was a naga, of the snake people. You can pretend that he was Satan if you want, I don't believe that. He was of the dragon race. The dragon race are reptilian and snake-like creatures. They are ruled by the draconian queen. You can call her Satan if you wish, she is certainly deserving of that title... she is quite nasty and would eat your children for breakfast. 
</end of JB's alien agenda opinion>
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Fair enough Eljay. I do appreciate your politeness and that you at least listen to these contradictions. That’s all I ask of any of the Christians or non Christians who support your views. Many here have and some (we all know the couple I’m referring to) blatantly do not. They name call, become overly emotional, can not formulate arguments and essentially refuse to even listen and remain locked behind the stone walls of their own egotism. I’m not sure god would have intended that outlook toward his fellow man (and woman) whether they want to claim he did or not.
FERAL: Is this saying that others have not listen to the contradictions? I think not!!!!And oh oh saying many here have and some (we all know the couple I am referring to) And the rest of that paragraph. Oh that is so nice Krisma......your showing your true colors and honestly should practice what you preach. Also, Eljay, I have never once featured myself as an expert on any particular subject. That is your assessment of me for whatever reason. All I have done here is looked at the bible (primarily only KJV) and pointed out contradictions, inconsistencies and discrepancies. I STILL will disagree with you that these are somehow "perceived". The folks here who do not see these problems as you do, could say that we are in fact asking you to argue directly (verbatim) from the actual text that is written and it is you who insists on a lot of "well what they meant to say is..." That doesn’t go over real well in the scientific community. You should hopefully understand this as a professor. FERAL: And you can't just read what bits and points are making your point Krisma....It has to be read and studied in it's entirety.....I took me a year just to study Genesis......as well as all the books that long....especially Romans....and you honestly think you can get it just by glancing.,......doesn't work that way. I feel that the bible was written by human beings and nothing supernatural occurred. I also believe it is a lot of storytelling (some at its finest). I have never stated differently. I also mentioned that I feel it’s quite plausible that the bible was not intended to be taken literally. It is probably based in symbolism and metaphor. FERAL: No again this is your choice....And believe me on this point Krisma.....It applies as inspired of God then, now and for all time.......It was written to guide man....and is not in any way shape or form another essop fables. You keep throwing this "expended exegesis" in my face like I am not interpreting this information correctly. We went over this probably at least 15 times and I rebutted your argument each and every. I ask you to interpret from the actual context of Leviticus. Look at what they are saying. I am not relying on well, maybe they meant this or maybe they meant that. That sir, is my point. I do not mean “sir” here in a bad or disrespectful way but that is how we commonly addressed male scientists and professors of physics. FERAL: I did this over and over again.....so I have to say to myself...What is the point....you don't want to learn.....you want to argue. |
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copy and pastes from elsewhere, not genuinely brought a bout by original inquisitiveness. ducking and excusing are lustful torments entertained by deceived hearts. those that seek for themselves the truth will not sloppily and lazily assume upon themselves the arbitrary hate and discontent of those that only find place in the infpo world of the internet as though truth and fact were contained in all noise. Once is innocent enough. but ad infinitum copying and pasting serves to insult the sincere by those that perpetrate such things. I see no respect for others found in sy=uch things, and I do not see such deceitful mani[pulations ending. Insulting as it is and tasteless as it is, such are wandering hearts grasping at straws and never settling down to root in truth. Whosoever will, let such come to the Lord Jesus Christ for rest. Sadly, this is precisely why a christian heart bleeds for the lost. Darkness is so dark and so offensive that the offenses are ignorablyabsent to the heart and mind of those which offend the dignity of others with such cloaking of intent. Engenderin strife and contentions are evil at work in the world and discxernable to a soft heart that feels, but to the closed and hardened heart, there is not the slightest care for the feelings shared by the soft hearts that must so bear the pain of others, unwillingly calloused by the hardened ones and their bleatings. Wearing the burdens of others is Christ in us. Wearing the epithets of Christ in us is also a burden. I can do all things through Christ Jesus who strengthens me. This is a light switch being offered. employ it or not. learn, grow and be at peace.
Contrary to your belief wouldee, my heart bleeds for those stuck in the quagmire of the christian religion. I have found truth and light of such magnitude that I wish all to have it but mine came when I let go of the shackles of religion. The shackles are the judgments in religion, the fixation that they are right and everyone else is wrong, the dependency on others (preachers, teachers, and the book) for the guidance that is actually found within us all without outside "guidance", the superiority of believing because one is religious they are the moral majority, etc.... Once you let go of all of those shackles the freedom allows for some real deep soul searching and you will be surprised at what you find. It is very very good for the soul. So I bleed for those stuck in religion. Hi there
I am not slaying dragons this morning. I was commenting on the copy and pastes of brand that have been duplicating the same old disengenuous and arbitrary nature born of instilling riots. LOL all one language, all different languages. trees first, then man. Man first, then trees. and the like, ad infinitum. That garbage. Not genuine heartfelt dialoguing. Hope you don't mind. have a wonderful day. Hope all is well and that you are feeling well.
Okay, wouldee, understood.
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Jeanniebean
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Hi wouldee, 
Hi thereflowerforyou
I am not slaying dragons this morning. I was commenting on the copy and pastes of brand that have been duplicating the same old disengenuous and arbitrary nature born of instilling riots. LOL all one language, all different languages. trees first, then man. Man first, then trees. and the like, ad infinitum. That garbage. Not genuine heartfelt dialoguing. Hope you don't mind. have a wonderful day. Hope all is well and that you are feeling well. I don't mind at all Wouldee. I am guilty as charged of the copy and paste.
I thought I would give some of the Christians a bit of their own medicine. They use copy and paste a lot in their arguments on these threads from a certain web site designed for just that purpose. Nice of you to notice and point it out as very shallow and "Not genuine heartfelt dialogging." It was, I agree. Now if you can convince you fellow Christians not to do it I will gladly cease such mindless activities. 
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Fair enough Eljay. I do appreciate your politeness and that you at least listen to these contradictions. That’s all I ask of any of the Christians or non Christians who support your views. Many here have and some (we all know the couple I’m referring to) blatantly do not. They name call, become overly emotional, can not formulate arguments and essentially refuse to even listen and remain locked behind the stone walls of their own egotism. I’m not sure god would have intended that outlook toward his fellow man (and woman) whether they want to claim he did or not. FERAL: Is this saying that others have not listen to the contradictions? I think not!!!!And oh oh saying many here have and some (we all know the couple I am referring to) And the rest of that paragraph. Oh that is so nice Krisma......your showing your true colors and honestly should practice what you preach. Also, Eljay, I have never once featured myself as an expert on any particular subject. That is your assessment of me for whatever reason. All I have done here is looked at the bible (primarily only KJV) and pointed out contradictions, inconsistencies and discrepancies. I STILL will disagree with you that these are somehow "perceived". The folks here who do not see these problems as you do, could say that we are in fact asking you to argue directly (verbatim) from the actual text that is written and it is you who insists on a lot of "well what they meant to say is..." That doesn’t go over real well in the scientific community. You should hopefully understand this as a professor. FERAL: And you can't just read what bits and points are making your point Krisma....It has to be read and studied in it's entirety.....I took me a year just to study Genesis......as well as all the books that long....especially Romans....and you honestly think you can get it just by glancing.,......doesn't work that way. I feel that the bible was written by human beings and nothing supernatural occurred. I also believe it is a lot of storytelling (some at its finest). I have never stated differently. I also mentioned that I feel it’s quite plausible that the bible was not intended to be taken literally. It is probably based in symbolism and metaphor. FERAL: No again this is your choice....And believe me on this point Krisma.....It applies as inspired of God then, now and for all time.......It was written to guide man....and is not in any way shape or form another essop fables. You keep throwing this "expended exegesis" in my face like I am not interpreting this information correctly. We went over this probably at least 15 times and I rebutted your argument each and every. I ask you to interpret from the actual context of Leviticus. Look at what they are saying. I am not relying on well, maybe they meant this or maybe they meant that. That sir, is my point. I do not mean “sir” here in a bad or disrespectful way but that is how we commonly addressed male scientists and professors of physics. FERAL: I did this over and over again.....so I have to say to myself...What is the point....you don't want to learn.....you want to argue. Who gave you the role of teacher anyway? Is that handed down by your god also? Superiority is a ***** 
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GE 10:5, 20, 31 There were many languages before the Tower of Babel. 5 By these were the isles of the Gentiles divided in their lands; every one after his tongue, after their families, in their nations. ************************ GE 11:1 There was only one language before the Tower of Babel. Genesis 11 1 And the whole earth was of one language, and of one speech. JB a bible study for you is so needed...... The Tower of Babel 1 Now the whole world had one language and a common speech. 2 As men moved eastward, [a] they found a plain in Shinar and settled there. 3 They said to each other, "Come, let's make bricks and bake them thoroughly." They used brick instead of stone, and tar for mortar. 4 Then they said, "Come, let us build ourselves a city, with a tower that reaches to the heavens, so that we may make a name for ourselves and not be scattered over the face of the whole earth." 5 But the LORD came down to see the city and the tower that the men were building. 6 The LORD said, "If as one people speaking the same language they have begun to do this, then nothing they plan to do will be impossible for them. 7 Come, let us go down and confuse their language so they will not understand each other." 8 So the LORD scattered them from there over all the earth, and they stopped building the city. 9 That is why it was called Babel [c] —because there the LORD confused the language of the whole world. From there the LORD scattered them over the face of the whole earth. There was one language.....God made the languages so as they would not understand each other....... I hear what you are saying Feral, but you ignored the contradiction here: GE 10:5, 20, 31 There were many languages before the Tower of Babel. 5 By these were the isles of the Gentiles divided in their lands; every one after his tongue, after their families, in their nations. there is no conteadiction........it's simple....they wanted to build a tower to heaven.......no way jose....God saw.....God acted....end of story......So where is the contradiction for you JB. |
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abra Oh please abra.....you know it's true....when I speak truth you guys just conveniently ignore it......how apra-po Ok abra.......Christians preach against homosexuality because in God's eyes it is wrong....If God intended for man to sleep with man and woman with woman....then he would of made adam and steve......and for me I have many homosexual friends......I love thee person....just not the sin....and every single one knows where I stand. And just because homosexuals want to justify it by saying that God loves me no matter what.....it will not change that it is wrong. More christian judgements at their best.
hmmm really now.....I guess you didn't read.....It is not my judgement lil lady....I am no ones judge....It's God's Law....God's judgement....and no matter how much people want to believe they can live life as they choose without any reprocautions.....it's just no so. |
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The Pagans have kind of a different take on that whole "tree of knowledge incident". Their feeling is that story was very deliberately put in there to discredit woman and a much older faith. It does kind of make sense in a way. It was Eve that took fruit from the tree and tempted Adam with the knowledge. It would have been Eve naturally because she would have had no fear of the garden as it had always been her place prior to god being on the scene and being intimidating and scaring folks. The tale of the "serpent speaking to Eve" would have also been an attempt at discrediting the older earth based religion as the snake had been known as a symbol of the Goddess in many cultures. Pre-dynastic Egyptian queens were found mummified with snakes wrapped around their necks. So the best way to disvalue something is to associate it with evil or the devil. There ya go. Snakes are bad and so is Eve. I don’t know how true that is but an interesting take on it for certain. So far off......not even responding read it people...take a class understand it....before you put this blah blah blah. Feral, the scripture is for everyone. You can analyze it to death and interpret it to mean just about anything. Everyone has a right to their own interpretation of it. It is for everybody, not just for Christianity. There are other religions who use the Bible. Why do you insist that only you have it right? JB No they do not JB......It says what it means and means what it says...and you CANNOT interpret it to follow what you think is the truth......I have no rights either....but I sure as heck don't read and study the Bible to fit my needs....I study to learn God's word....and I live by God's word...and as long as people keep the film over there eyes and the wax in their ears...they will never get it....and it clearly states this in the Bible....Parable of the seed in Matthew if you would like to see for yourself. And there is a difference between interpreting say the Virgin birth and saying it just is not so......or didn't happen....that is not an accurate way to interpret the Word of God. |
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GE 10:5, 20, 31 There were many languages before the Tower of Babel. 5 By these were the isles of the Gentiles divided in their lands; every one after his tongue, after their families, in their nations. ************************ GE 11:1 There was only one language before the Tower of Babel. Genesis 11 1 And the whole earth was of one language, and of one speech. JB a bible study for you is so needed...... The Tower of Babel 1 Now the whole world had one language and a common speech. 2 As men moved eastward, [a] they found a plain in Shinar and settled there. 3 They said to each other, "Come, let's make bricks and bake them thoroughly." They used brick instead of stone, and tar for mortar. 4 Then they said, "Come, let us build ourselves a city, with a tower that reaches to the heavens, so that we may make a name for ourselves and not be scattered over the face of the whole earth." 5 But the LORD came down to see the city and the tower that the men were building. 6 The LORD said, "If as one people speaking the same language they have begun to do this, then nothing they plan to do will be impossible for them. 7 Come, let us go down and confuse their language so they will not understand each other." 8 So the LORD scattered them from there over all the earth, and they stopped building the city. 9 That is why it was called Babel [c] —because there the LORD confused the language of the whole world. From there the LORD scattered them over the face of the whole earth. There was one language.....God made the languages so as they would not understand each other....... I hear what you are saying Feral, but you ignored the contradiction here: GE 10:5, 20, 31 There were many languages before the Tower of Babel. 5 By these were the isles of the Gentiles divided in their lands; every one after his tongue, after their families, in their nations. there is no conteadiction........it's simple....they wanted to build a tower to heaven.......no way jose....God saw.....God acted....end of story......So where is the contradiction for you JB. Well if you don't see it, then I understand why you see no contradictions anywhere. By these were the isles of the Gentiles divided in their lands; every one after his tongue, after their families, in their nations. They were divided... every one with their own language.. |
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