Topic: Pet Without A Cause
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Wed 07/30/08 08:08 AM

http://www.theanimalrescuesite.com/clickToGive/home.faces?siteId=3 If you want to help, you go to this link each day and click on the icon in the top right. This will provide food for shelter animals and if you do it each day it makes a big difference.
Awesome! flowerforyou

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Wed 07/30/08 08:09 AM


Note the word "usually" in my post. I've been doing animal rescue since 1972 and was a volunteer cruelty case inspector for two years, and worked as a vet tech for seven years. Forgive me if I allow my experiences to color my opinions.
I'm not saying I disagree at all. Note the words "with all due respect" happy :thumbsup: Just saying that better education about these issues would prevent those who wish to care well for their animals would be greatly beneficial.

Unfortunately those who will bring a Christmas pup home when they can barely feed their own children are another story. I have no clue what they are thinking much less what might help them understand the kind of commitment and care an animal deserves. frown

Our local shelter here runs ad champagnes warning people against spontaneous pet purchasing and warns of the importance of fixing your animals, but I'm not sure that it helps much since after Holidays they fill up with dogs, kittens and ducklings faster than they take in donations for sure. sick


Unfortunately, education and running warning ads aren't going to help those people who don't pay attention to them. All people can do is do their best to provide the best information possible, so that people who are willing to learn can make better choices.

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Wed 07/30/08 08:11 AM
They say you should let a female have one litter before being fixed. I don't know if this is true or not, but I've heard it.


I remember having Evil fixed. That guy went from being a happy running around cat, to a cat that just sat and looked out the window. Ali was the one that picked him up from the vet. He was never nice to my sister in law again.

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Wed 07/30/08 08:12 AM


Note the word "usually" in my post. I've been doing animal rescue since 1972 and was a volunteer cruelty case inspector for two years, and worked as a vet tech for seven years. Forgive me if I allow my experiences to color my opinions.
I'm not saying I disagree at all. Note the words "with all due respect" happy :thumbsup: Just saying that better education about these issues would prevent those who wish to care well for their animals would be greatly beneficial.

Unfortunately those who will bring a Christmas pup home when they can barely feed their own children are another story. I have no clue what they are thinking much less what might help them understand the kind of commitment and care an animal deserves. frown

Our local shelter here runs ad champagnes warning people against spontaneous pet purchasing and warns of the importance of fixing your animals, but I'm not sure that it helps much since after Holidays they fill up with dogs, kittens and ducklings faster than they take in donations for sure. sick


The busiest day at our shelter was the Wedneday before Thanksgiving. People who had been considering "getting rid of" an animal puy off the decision just before heading off for Grandma's for the holiday, becuase they could not take the pet & could not afford a boarding kennel. Often it was the puppy that they got from Christmas the year before. A few come back a week or two later because they changed their mind. Too Late.

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Wed 07/30/08 08:12 AM
Here in central Florida the shelters cease adoptions for 3 weeks prior to Christmas. One of my own was a Christmas present bought from a backyard breeder. The recipient didn't want him and the breeder wouldn't accept him as a return (Any reputable breeder would have) so he ended up in the shelter. He's an awesome little dog, never met a stranger and tries to boss my female Bullmastiff, who outweighs him by about 165 pounds.:laughing:

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Wed 07/30/08 08:14 AM

They say you should let a female have one litter before being fixed. I don't know if this is true or not, but I've heard it.


I remember having Evil fixed. That guy went from being a happy running around cat, to a cat that just sat and looked out the window. Ali was the one that picked him up from the vet. He was never nice to my sister in law again.
That is an old wives tale, one of the most common bits of misinformation being spread in the pet community.

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Wed 07/30/08 08:16 AM
Of course, I'm a country boy. I have a different opinion on animal cruelty. I think it's cruel to own a dog and live in a city. Dogs need to run, and I don't just mean off the leash for ten minutes in the park. Our dogs have a circut of about 3 or 4 miles they walk at least 3 times a day. I should go with them, I could use the exercise. To pin an animal up, give it an area of less than an acre to run in, that's cruel.

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Wed 07/30/08 08:17 AM
What's a good age to get them fixed?

I have a chihuahua. He's adorable and pure bred...we've thought about having him stud a few litters but I'd feel bad if the puppies wouldn't go to a good home.flowerforyou

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Wed 07/30/08 08:20 AM
Edited by littleredhen on Wed 07/30/08 08:28 AM

They say you should let a female have one litter before being fixed. I don't know if this is true or not, but I've heard it.


I remember having Evil fixed. That guy went from being a happy running around cat, to a cat that just sat and looked out the window. Ali was the one that picked him up from the vet. He was never nice to my sister in law again.


Who is "they"? Ask you vet about this.

I have heard people say that male cats have different personalities after nutering, I honestly can't say, I usually have females & my one male was 6 years old & fixed for years before I got him. I won't dispute you when I have no 1st hand experience. All my friends males were nutered too. I would NEVER have an intact male cat. PEEEEEEE U!

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Wed 07/30/08 08:25 AM

Of course, I'm a country boy. I have a different opinion on animal cruelty. I think it's cruel to own a dog and live in a city. Dogs need to run, and I don't just mean off the leash for ten minutes in the park. Our dogs have a circut of about 3 or 4 miles they walk at least 3 times a day. I should go with them, I could use the exercise. To pin an animal up, give it an area of less than an acre to run in, that's cruel.
I hear you there...I see a lot of dogs caged up and kenneled in garages and back yards. frown My dog went from a ranch to the city because no cattle ranch wanted her after an injury. I made it work by making her my running and hiking partner until her joints called it quits. I think to have a dog in the city one has to have a lifestyle that will accommodate a dog and not go into it thinking that they will accommodate their lifestyle to the dogs needs...this rarely ends up happening from what I've seen. flowerforyou

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Wed 07/30/08 08:26 AM

What's a good age to get them fixed?

I have a chihuahua. He's adorable and pure bred...we've thought about having him stud a few litters but I'd feel bad if the puppies wouldn't go to a good home.flowerforyou


Ask your vet. They usually wait longer for small breeds, it's easier to do surgery on them when they are bigger.

Have a dog show judge certified to judge your breed look at your dog to advise you if he is breeding quality. Ask you vet or the breeder you bought from him to find one. Also ask thier opinion. "Purebred" only means both parents were of pure bloodlines. It dosn't actully mean the dog meets breed standerds.

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Wed 07/30/08 08:27 AM

Of course, I'm a country boy. I have a different opinion on animal cruelty. I think it's cruel to own a dog and live in a city. Dogs need to run, and I don't just mean off the leash for ten minutes in the park. Our dogs have a circut of about 3 or 4 miles they walk at least 3 times a day. I should go with them, I could use the exercise. To pin an animal up, give it an area of less than an acre to run in, that's cruel.

In some instances I would agree with that but it depends a lot on the breed of dog and the amount of exercise provided by the owner

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Wed 07/30/08 08:29 AM
Maybe you don't understand what I mean by "country boy." I grew up on a farm, Vets are for livestock, not pets.

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Wed 07/30/08 08:29 AM

Of course, I'm a country boy. I have a different opinion on animal cruelty. I think it's cruel to own a dog and live in a city. Dogs need to run, and I don't just mean off the leash for ten minutes in the park. Our dogs have a circut of about 3 or 4 miles they walk at least 3 times a day. I should go with them, I could use the exercise. To pin an animal up, give it an area of less than an acre to run in, that's cruel.


It depends on the breed. I have a little terrier & she is happy anywhere I am. Some breeds are not suited for city life, I agree.

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Wed 07/30/08 08:31 AM

They say you should let a female have one litter before being fixed. I don't know if this is true or not, but I've heard it.


I remember having Evil fixed. That guy went from being a happy running around cat, to a cat that just sat and looked out the window. Ali was the one that picked him up from the vet. He was never nice to my sister in law again.


Who says that?

Both my cats are neutered. Both play and run around all the time.

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Wed 07/30/08 08:33 AM

Maybe you don't understand what I mean by "country boy." I grew up on a farm, Vets are for livestock, not pets.


As I said, I grew up on a farm too and my grandparents were not wealthy. Nonetheless, any animal that needed medical attention got it.

No1sLove's photo
Wed 07/30/08 08:35 AM

What's a good age to get them fixed?

I have a chihuahua. He's adorable and pure bred...we've thought about having him stud a few litters but I'd feel bad if the puppies wouldn't go to a good home.flowerforyou
I had the same fear before breeding my Molly. I had 6 people sign contracts stating that they would purchase the pups if I agreed to do it...otherwise I would not have done it at all. They were people who would only take a pure bred Border Collie for different reasons.

Two went to a friend who ran an FFA chapter and wanted them for her farm to teach kids how to train the dogs and then later the dogs taught the kids how sheep trials worked. If there were a chance they would have used pound puppies, I would never have bred her at all. Scary to bring dogs into the world when there are so many being put down for no good reason. frown

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Wed 07/30/08 08:35 AM
Edited by littleredhen on Wed 07/30/08 08:35 AM

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Wed 07/30/08 08:37 AM


What's a good age to get them fixed?

I have a chihuahua. He's adorable and pure bred...we've thought about having him stud a few litters but I'd feel bad if the puppies wouldn't go to a good home.flowerforyou
I had the same fear before breeding my Molly. I had 6 people sign contracts stating that they would purchase the pups if I agreed to do it...otherwise I would not have done it at all. They were people who would only take a pure bred Border Collie for different reasons.

Two went to a friend who ran an FFA chapter and wanted them for her farm to teach kids how to train the dogs and then later the dogs taught the kids how sheep trials worked. If there were a chance they would have used pound puppies, I would never have bred her at all. Scary to bring dogs into the world when there are so many being put down for no good reason. frown


This is responsable breeding. Border Collies are AWESOME!flowerforyou

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Wed 07/30/08 08:38 AM
Darn it I need to shut down. My electrical service is being "up graded" no power for a few hours & then I have to go to work. Have a good day everyone!