Topic: Is this America's future?
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Sat 07/19/08 08:52 PM

It's 2008. There's got to be some compromises made to make nuclear viable again.


It's going to happen. Many utility companies have applied for permits already as the environmentalist have reversed their objection to the development of nuclear power in the US.

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Sat 07/19/08 08:56 PM
Here is a species that is and has been threatened for awhile chaz.

Loggerhead Sea Turtle
(Caretta caretta)
Date of Listing: Threatened, 1978

Loggerheads are capable of living in a variety of environments, such as in brackish waters of coastal lagoons and river mouths. During the winter, they may remain dormant, buried in the mud at the bottom of sounds, bays, and estuaries. The major nesting beaches are located in the southeastern United States, primarily along the Atlantic coast of Florida, North Carolina, South Carolina, and Georgia. Only minor and solitary nesting has been recorded along the coasts of the Gulf of Mexico.

This species will undoubtedly be threatened by opening offshore oil drilling! They are already threatened and can only breed where you see in the article.
This is only one species, there are also many birds, other turtles, fish, and coral reefs. All of which make our coastlines some of the most beautiful in the world!

Fanta46's photo
Sat 07/19/08 09:22 PM
Edited by Fanta46 on Sat 07/19/08 09:25 PM



The trouble with America is that if we have one accident we throw the whole technology out the window instead of analyzing the accident to prevent more and holding the perpetrators responsible. Nuclear energy Three Mile Island and Valdez oil spills come to mind.

Really? We don't ship oil in tankers anymore? Hmmm.


The point was that because of the one tanker spill Oil drilling in the US practically stopped. As did the development of nuclear energy.


There were a hell of a lot more reasons than that crickster!

The big one was an oil rig that suffered a blowout while drilling off the coast of Calif in 1969. It took the oil company 11 days to stop it. By then it had leaked more than 3 million gals of oil and killed thousand of birds, seals, dolphins, and interrupted the breeding migration of humpback whales. That is what stopped the drilling in Calif and like today they had promised it was safe. Then in a hurry and with permission from the government they cut corners designed for safety.
What a lot of people dont realize is that most oil spills occur from drilling and pipeline ruptures. Not from tanker spills!
The most in all the world have occurred in the Gulf of Mexico!(267 spills), and coming in second is the Northeastern US! (140 spills)


Fanta46's photo
Sat 07/19/08 09:27 PM
How would you like to see an oil spill off the Outer Banks like the one in Calif?

dangurtner's photo
Sat 07/19/08 09:42 PM
or we could build devices in california that would capture the energy from the thunderstorms and use that for energy..and we could use the dead penguins for fuel too...somehow..

Chazster's photo
Sat 07/19/08 09:44 PM

How would you like to see an oil spill off the Outer Banks like the one in Calif?


How would you like to see a building destroyed by an electrical fire? By your logic I guess everyone in the world should give up electricity.

I am sure many birds and animals lost their homes do to housing being constructed where you live, but I guess thats ok since you live there. I am sure there are measures that can be taken to not put the animals in risk of extinction.

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Sat 07/19/08 09:45 PM

or we could build devices in california that would capture the energy from the thunderstorms and use that for energy..and we could use the dead penguins for fuel too...somehow..


Yea, but you have to have a label that states that all penguins used in your fuel were already found dead.

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Sat 07/19/08 09:47 PM

Yea, but you have to have a label that states that all penguins used in your fuel were already found dead.


well..get on it!

Fanta46's photo
Sat 07/19/08 10:04 PM
Edited by Fanta46 on Sat 07/19/08 10:07 PM


How would you like to see an oil spill off the Outer Banks like the one in Calif?


How would you like to see a building destroyed by an electrical fire? By your logic I guess everyone in the world should give up electricity.

I am sure many birds and animals lost their homes do to housing being constructed where you live, but I guess thats ok since you live there. I am sure there are measures that can be taken to not put the animals in risk of extinction.


Once again your view is callous and narrow. A building can be built back. A species can not be reconstructed by man.
And no, they rerouted a major interstate project here, I26, because of a salamander and a species of moss that dont exist anywhere else in the world except here and China.
We western North Carolinians, I can proudly say, try our best to coexist with nature not destroy it!

Chazster's photo
Sat 07/19/08 10:20 PM



How would you like to see an oil spill off the Outer Banks like the one in Calif?


How would you like to see a building destroyed by an electrical fire? By your logic I guess everyone in the world should give up electricity.

I am sure many birds and animals lost their homes do to housing being constructed where you live, but I guess thats ok since you live there. I am sure there are measures that can be taken to not put the animals in risk of extinction.


Once again your view is callous and narrow. A building can be built back. A species can not be reconstructed by man.
And no, they rerouted a major interstate project here, I26, because of a salamander and a species of moss that dont exist anywhere else in the world except here and China.
We western North Carolinians, I can proudly say, try our best to coexist with nature not destroy it!


An oil spill is not gonna cause anything to become extinct and thats what I was referring too.

There were still animals that lived in the land where you build houses etc, whether they were endangered or not.

My point being that you think that this horrible outcome will happen no matter where we drill. If that is the case, then I guess it is safe to assume that you know ALL of the drilling spots and spoke to no biased experts about each of those spots and their effects on the local environment?

Whether you like it or not, someone has to drill for oil somewhere. I will not claim to know where the good and bad spots are, and I wouldn't make radical claims about where our country is headed when they haven't even made any decisions.

Don't worry, the congress with a lower approval rating than bush wont allow them to drill out there anyway.

Fanta46's photo
Sat 07/19/08 10:36 PM
Edited by Fanta46 on Sat 07/19/08 10:42 PM


or we could build devices in california that would capture the energy from the thunderstorms and use that for energy..and we could use the dead penguins for fuel too...somehow..


Yea, but you have to have a label that states that all penguins used in your fuel were already found dead.


You guys joke, but we have plenty of options besides the dead end one of more offshore oil drilling.
When America sent men to the moon people said it couldn't be done and we had far fewer options. But we had a leader with vision and the American can do spirit. Our leader made it a priority and a National effort. He involved every available Private and Public resource in America towards achieving putting a man on the moon when most people still believed it was made of cheese.
He brought together scientist, scholars, private industry, and the American peoples belief that we could and would do it. We didn't even have a rocket capable of carrying that kind of payload into space or a communication network to ensure we could talk to the men in the damn thing!
Today we already have Wind turbines, solar power and solar powered electric turbine generated electrical power plants. We have electric and hydrogen fuel cell cars. We have ethanol that can be produced from saw grass grown in the deserts.
We have the technology, we just haven't a leader with the vision to bring it all together, and motivate Americans to believe in themselves again!
We do now if we will just open our minds enough to see it!
His name isnt John McSame, His name is Barack Obama!!

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Sun 07/20/08 09:53 PM
Ok how i see it is 90% of all living things on earth has died off and most of that happened before we ever made are mark on this place. Come on leave it alone. We wouldn't be here if it didn't happen.

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Sun 07/20/08 10:04 PM
I am for more drilling on land if we are also looking for alternatives. Offshore drilling, no!


When will we start seriously developing alternatives? I get the feeling the powers that be just don't care as long as the oil outlasts them! To me the solution is so obvious! It rises every day! We just need to harvest it! I wish I was good in math & science, I'd try to work on this myself.

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Mon 07/21/08 12:56 PM
sorry i was wrong about 90% it was 99.9% and we have only had an impact on this for a few years in aspect. the earth has been around for 4.5 billion years life has been here for 3.5 billion
years. Humans have been around for only a few million years and
yea we may have done some stuff to are world but in aspect after we are all gone the world wont take that long to get rid of all the stuff we left behind. And we are working hard on finding different fuels to run off of but a lot of it is still to new for us to use right. I was watching something on how we are using the gasses that come from are trash in landfills to make power for are homes.

WolfSoul's photo
Mon 07/21/08 01:29 PM

sorry i was wrong about 90% it was 99.9% and we have only had an impact on this for a few years in aspect. the earth has been around for 4.5 billion years life has been here for 3.5 billion
years. Humans have been around for only a few million years and
yea we may have done some stuff to are world but in aspect after we are all gone the world wont take that long to get rid of all the stuff we left behind. And we are working hard on finding different fuels to run off of but a lot of it is still to new for us to use right. I was watching something on how we are using the gasses that come from are trash in landfills to make power for are homes.


One thing that you have forgotten with your numbers. The rate of species loss has increased with the interference of man. That is that we lose species faster that were not in danger of becoming extinct before man interfered. Case in point ..... where are the massive herds of bison? The American bison was almost lost. Large scale commercial whaling has almost destroyed a sentient species.

It is time to care for the planet and it's life. We do not own it. We are guardians and not very good ones.

Edwards21's photo
Mon 07/21/08 01:40 PM
But if you would think it thought that was done when we thought that we owned the world as years have past we have help in them to return. But there was a commit made that we can bring any of these animals back but we can. You all may not like this but cloning will bring them back but we could just stop everything we are doing only use what we need.

Lord_Psycho's photo
Mon 07/21/08 01:44 PM
Guess their wont The Penguin or penguins in the next Batman movie! Poor things!!! I love penguins i have a few as pets!!!

WolfSoul's photo
Mon 07/21/08 01:45 PM

But if you would think it thought that was done when we thought that we owned the world as years have past we have help in them to return. But there was a commit made that we can bring any of these animals back but we can. You all may not like this but cloning will bring them back but we could just stop everything we are doing only use what we need.


And again we would be poor guardians in our pride. Who would decide which species should be 're-created'? What dangers would we create Which species would we only doom to die out again? Would they be allowed to live as they were meant? Hundreds of similar questions. Who is to play Creator?

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Tue 07/22/08 05:53 AM
Edited by Quikstepper on Tue 07/22/08 05:54 AM

We should care about the environment.
We are all creatures of ours. I think
it is fair to say we have caused more
damage in the last 100 years than any
time before that and we can't fix it
all in the next 100 years.


Uh...no...what's causing the damage are other nations like China & Russia who are not following the same standards forced on us. they are laughing all the way to the bank while DEMS bankrupt this nation.

...and you people wonder why there's no healthcare coverage or good jobs around?????

I wouldn't trust the govt. to walk my dog no less let them run healthcare.

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Tue 07/22/08 02:46 PM
That says alot from someone who praises Bush!!!!


We should care about the environment.
We are all creatures of ours. I think
it is fair to say we have caused more
damage in the last 100 years than any
time before that and we can't fix it
all in the next 100 years.


Uh...no...what's causing the damage are other nations like China & Russia who are not following the same standards forced on us. they are laughing all the way to the bank while DEMS bankrupt this nation.

...and you people wonder why there's no healthcare coverage or good jobs around?????

I wouldn't trust the govt. to walk my dog no less let them run healthcare.