Topic: True Whiners..!
mnhiker's photo
Thu 07/17/08 08:14 AM

but since i been in USA 43 years, I'm not really an immigrant anymore. i think I'm saying its my right to complain,. since i pay taxes like everybody Else may not can be president, but hell would not want to be,


If you are a United States citizen, then you have the right to say whatever you want, within reason.

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Thu 07/17/08 08:51 AM


but since i been in USA 43 years, I'm not really an immigrant anymore. i think I'm saying its my right to complain,. since i pay taxes like everybody Else may not can be president, but hell would not want to be,


If you are a United States citizen, then you have the right to say whatever you want, within reason.


A president ?
Huh....it means nothing anymore .
If Bush can be a president then anyone can including you the immigrant......laugh laugh .

Kevrides's photo
Thu 07/17/08 08:53 AM

Had a hurricane like sequence of big changes all at once.

Didn't have time for the internet or much of anything else but scramble, scratch, and survive.

and a lot of these people on here will be finding the same thing in the next few years.

Life is fixin to come at em faster then they ever imagined.


OMG a Hurricane?!? Blame Bush!

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Thu 07/17/08 09:12 AM


Had a hurricane like sequence of big changes all at once.

Didn't have time for the internet or much of anything else but scramble, scratch, and survive.

and a lot of these people on here will be finding the same thing in the next few years.

Life is fixin to come at em faster then they ever imagined.


OMG a Hurricane?!? Blame Bush!


Katrina was a good example about how useless the Bush Administration is.....etc.

Kevrides's photo
Thu 07/17/08 09:18 AM
Explain how any administration could have done better with the state and local government of LA being so backwards?

01tim's photo
Thu 07/17/08 09:45 AM
you can believe if the hurricane would have hit a republican state, bush would have save those people. you can spin how every you wont but in the end. it turns out bush don't care about us, look at how the veterans from Iraqi will be treated when they get home.

AdventureBegins's photo
Thu 07/17/08 03:33 PM
How the veterans are treated upon returning depends upon how WE treat them.

Ya'll lay a lot of stuff at the door of the president. (He is but one man).

Ya'll blame the government for every little thing that goes wrong. (And elect the same people into it year after year)

Blame a man for the response of a delegated responsibility (how could he oversee every aspect of our vast government).

(Reckon Bush is at fault for the fires in California, every tornado that has struck since he took office, and any other act of god)

Like I said elsewhere D R I V E L/s n i v i l/WHINE!

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Thu 07/17/08 04:17 PM
no not his fault for fires.but when you send people to die, based on a lie. then when it was his time to serve in vietnam he showed his true colors. but all government sucks, no matter what party,

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Thu 07/17/08 04:18 PM

no not his fault for fires.but when you send people to die, based on a lie. then when it was his time to serve in vietnam he showed his true colors. but all government sucks, no matter what party,

When it comes to dirts , some stink more than others.........laugh laugh laugh .

AdventureBegins's photo
Fri 07/18/08 09:39 AM

no not his fault for fires.but when you send people to die, based on a lie. then when it was his time to serve in vietnam he showed his true colors. but all government sucks, no matter what party,


You mean the same colors that Clinton showed...

Or did he at least serve in some capacity.

Jeez ya'll bash this guy like he is actually important...

Lame Duck...

As far as lies. How many of you remember the first Gulf War. When US war planes crossed the border during the initial contact phase of the response to Iraq's invasion a massive armada of aircraft lifted off from all over Iraq. Most of the Iraqi planes in that armada where... He He He... CARGO planes (out of several hundred aircraft only 81 where identified as combat aircraft). They fled to IRAN. (Perhaps with the research material and resources to build nuclear weapons?) Iran promptly seized those aircraft and cause Saddam to protest loudly after that conflict wound down cause Iran would not give them back. (WOW Iran is now sporting a bunch of new missles and I wonder where they got the Tech for em) Is is possible that Saddam sent them there to protect them from US and just miscalulated the Iranian respons to such a 'gift'.

Jess642's photo
Fri 07/18/08 02:13 PM

After perusing the threads a bit (which I have not done in a long time) I have to agree with the politician that said we were a nation of whiners.

Jeez yall complain a lot about stuff that has no real importance in life.



Yep.ohwell

01tim's photo
Fri 07/18/08 05:47 PM
hey begins, as i recall Clinton was in college. he was not in the guard, then fails to compete his training. there is a big different.

tinabelle's photo
Fri 07/18/08 05:50 PM

How the veterans are treated upon returning depends upon how WE treat them.

Ya'll lay a lot of stuff at the door of the president. (He is but one man).

Ya'll blame the government for every little thing that goes wrong. (And elect the same people into it year after year)

Blame a man for the response of a delegated responsibility (how could he oversee every aspect of our vast government).

(Reckon Bush is at fault for the fires in California, every tornado that has struck since he took office, and any other act of god)

Like I said elsewhere D R I V E L/s n i v i l/WHINE!

AMEN brother.flowerforyou

01tim's photo
Fri 07/18/08 05:53 PM
sounds like more republican spin. how why don't you republican do like you always do, blame bill Clinton.

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Fri 07/18/08 05:56 PM


no not his fault for fires.but when you send people to die, based on a lie. then when it was his time to serve in vietnam he showed his true colors. but all government sucks, no matter what party,


You mean the same colors that Clinton showed...

Or did he at least serve in some capacity.

Jeez ya'll bash this guy like he is actually important...

Lame Duck...

As far as lies. How many of you remember the first Gulf War. When US war planes crossed the border during the initial contact phase of the response to Iraq's invasion a massive armada of aircraft lifted off from all over Iraq. Most of the Iraqi planes in that armada where... He He He... CARGO planes (out of several hundred aircraft only 81 where identified as combat aircraft). They fled to IRAN. (Perhaps with the research material and resources to build nuclear weapons?) Iran promptly seized those aircraft and cause Saddam to protest loudly after that conflict wound down cause Iran would not give them back. (WOW Iran is now sporting a bunch of new missles and I wonder where they got the Tech for em) Is is possible that Saddam sent them there to protect them from US and just miscalulated the Iranian respons to such a 'gift'.

Your point ?.
Are you blamimg Iraq , Iran or America or all of them ?......I am lost following your logic .

tinabelle's photo
Fri 07/18/08 05:57 PM


i have many conversations with folks w/regard to boycott
and protests...and we're all too lazy or too busy or it's too hot or wahwahwah.

you get what your apathy pays for.

it's real easy to sit home and rag at the telly, and spout off online,and blame your unhappiness on the pres...but seriously what are you going to DO?!
congress is full of non-bushes, and they're not doing anything better.

so who's the next scapegoat?

01tim's photo
Fri 07/18/08 06:02 PM
today in America. people are to lazy to protest. its like the don't have time. if this happen in the 60s. the government would have the guard out. i guess my generation was mean. but we would march to Washington. protest if that did not work. burn it to the ground.

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Fri 07/18/08 06:03 PM
Edited by sam53 on Fri 07/18/08 06:05 PM



i have many conversations with folks w/regard to boycott
and protests...and we're all too lazy or too busy or it's too hot or wahwahwah.

you get what your apathy pays for.

it's real easy to sit home and rag at the telly, and spout off online,and blame your unhappiness on the pres...but seriously what are you going to DO?!
congress is full of non-bushes, and they're not doing anything better.

so who's the next scapegoat?

If the president is useless , the senate is useless and the congress is useless then it is the fault of the people who elected them .
The people have the power to elect good , honest , and hard working politicians but thanks to the media propaganda and the Administration propaganda , they end up electing the rubbish of the nation . The people should educate themselves when it comes to politics and religion and not let themselves to be a game in the hands of some same, same, same CRAP.

01tim's photo
Fri 07/18/08 06:17 PM
must are being brainwashed bye the media, because we can complain about one party or the other. but in the end. its us against them. they all suck.

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Fri 07/18/08 06:54 PM
Edited by Redykeulous on Fri 07/18/08 06:55 PM
Perhaps one should remember the important part...

WE THE PEOPLE...

I am the government, as are you.

If we let that part of our government that is the fed control us what right do we have to whine?



Now I agree with this 100%. I participate in the government and believe others feel the way I do but when I encourage others to participate like I do they are too busy or whatever so they do not.

I just posted a thread the other day about the forefathers believing that people of this country would understand that they need to participate and that is why the system fails us only 55% or so of eligible voters vote. That is why the government does not resemble the people of this country.


Voting is not the way this government runs. Voting is one VERY, tiny pathway in which we can participate in. In fact, just about the only thing that matters with elections is the political party that ends up in control.


If the president is useless , the senate is useless and the congress is useless then it is the fault of the people who elected them .
The people have the power to elect good , honest , and hard working politicians but thanks to the media propaganda and the Administration propaganda , they end up electing the rubbish of the nation .


Not true, where do all candidates come from? WE don’t nominate them. They are part of the elite – the system. WE as “the people” have virtually no power what-so-ever in who is nominated or who runs. That power lies within the lobbiests, the PAC’s and the other elitist sectors. If you need a reminder, google how expensive the campaigns are to run.

The people should educate themselves when it comes to politics and religion and not let themselves to be a game in the hands of some same, same, same CRAP.


I agree, because then people would understand what the generation of the 60’s and 70’s understood – that the people have a voice, they have a choice, they can effect change, they must use all the pathways provided.

Someone here already mentioned that generation and their effective use of grassroots mobilization. But we lack the kind of charismatic leaders and motivated people that permeated those times. Perhaps the changing economy will bring us, once again, to the realizations that WE HAVE TO TAKE THE TIME, to band together, to effect the changes we want to see.
How the veterans are treated upon returning depends upon how WE treat them.

Ya'll lay a lot of stuff at the door of the president. (He is but one man).


In many ways you are correct. The veterans, themselves, have taken their government contracts to heart, without ever analyzing the reality that the propaganda hid from their understanding. Is that the fault of the government, or of the individual who signed the contract to serve this country, with the promise of benefits upon their return?

In any court of law, is it not the responsibility of the person signing a contract to make sure they understand all aspects of that contract before entering into it? How is it that our young people signing away their lives, do not KNOW the reality of what that contract offers? But whose fault is that? WHO IN THE WORLD EVER TOLD THEM THEY COULD TRUST THE GOVERNMENT?

Perhaps MORE adults, elders should have guided the minds and hands and logic of those individuals BEFORE they signed such a contract. WE treated them poorly even before they became veterans.

Ya'll blame the government for every little thing that goes wrong. (And elect the same people into it year after year)

Blame a man for the response of a delegated responsibility (how could he oversee every aspect of our vast government).


YEP – because, AB, people don’t understand the role they were meant to play in this government. People have stopped caring about others as long as their little every day lives are not hampered by glitches. When they do care, it’s about how THEY have been or are being affected.

One day enough people are going to realize that change comes from action and the biggest changes require a lot of people taking action. So we have to keep telling people, THEY are responsible, THEY must effect the changes, THEY have to be the ones who care.

Like I said elsewhere D R I V E L/s n i v i l/WHINE!


So would you silence them, or teach them? Would you quiet their sniveling by bereating or tell them THEY are the source of change? Would you discredit their complaints instead of challenging them to make a difference?

Are you also whinning?